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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bpatil3

Hi Dev,

TFS
Even i m surprised , inspite of having rayalcious episodes for the last two weeks, why is it not getting in to the list.
Very Bad, its the insult , channels is doing for a great show. total unfair.😭


Actually every other show is there on the list whether it has low or high trps, sony's other shows which are receiving less than 1 trp is also listed in the chart then why BALH is not on the charts.
As already they have showed a lot of crape earlier which diverted the audiences of BALH to other shows , and now regaining the trp is really a tough task . For regular viewers of BALH it is not tough to get back to the show but for others it is and that too when new and challenging shows are coming regularly from other channels and may be that is why after having Rayalicious episodes also it is not getting on the list . The earlier crap shown has diverted the audience much.
But still the trp of BALH should be placed on the charts when all other shows are still there.
Edited by devmohan - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bpatil3

Hi Dev,

TFS
Even i m surprised , inspite of having rayalcious episodes for the last two weeks, why is it not getting in to the list.
Very Bad, its the insult , channels is doing for a great show. total unfair.😭

Well I am sure the ratings are being recorded and listed..and reach the channels.. its IMPOSSIBLE for TAM to calculate the channel GRPS/GVTS without ratings of
for even one single show.
See this is how TAM functions..
All the broadcasters(Channels) subscribe to TAM media research for the television ratings..on basis of wch the Ad spaces are sold to the advertisers..
TAM does not ever give out the ratings to media..
It only gives out the overall channel GVTS,GRPS to media/public.
its a TAM policy.it is NOT supposed to give out individual programme ratings to the media .
The media portals like the rival site ,scrutiny blog source out these ratings perhaps from sources with the channels and /or Prodcution houses and also perhaps from the advertising agencies ,and they publish the ratings on their websites.
It looks like a case where for some weird reason, the media portals are not getting ratings for all shows. Whatever they get, they publish.
there has been lots of inconsistency by the way data is published also..sometimes it is in terms of TVTs(decimals)..TVTS(thousands)..TVMS(millions)..
Seems to be a problem at the sources end--- the way they give out the ratings to the media.
If you see, some sites were unable to publish ratings for Madhubala,uttaran,Adalat ,comedy circus and other programmmes..also NOT just BALH
ALso as viewers, we are not supposed to know the ratings. its only for the purpose of advertisers and broadcasters to decide the Ad rates.
SO the question of any channel bias does not arise if some shows ratings do not get public.
Edited by pink27 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pink27

Well I am sure the ratings are being recorded and listed..and reach the channels.. its IMPOSSIBLE for TAM to calculate the channel GRPS/GVTS without ratings of

for even one single show.
See this is how TAM functions..
All the broadcasters(Channels) subscribe to TAM media research for the television ratings..on basis of wch the Ad spaces are sold to the advertisers..
TAM does not ever give out the ratings to media..
It only gives out the overall channel GVTS,GRPS to media/public.
its a TAM policy.it is NOT supposed to give out individual programme ratings to the media .
The media portals like the rival site ,scrutiny blog source out these ratings perhaps from sources with the channels and /or Prodcution houses and also perhaps from the advertising agencies ,and they publish the ratings on their websites.
It looks like a case where for some weird reason, the media portals are not getting ratings for all shows. Whatever they get, they publish.
there has been lots of inconsistency by the way data is published also..sometimes it is in terms of TVTs(decimals)..TVTS(thousands)..TVMS(millions)..
Seems to be a problem at the sources end--- the way they give out the ratings to the media.
If you see, some sites were unable to publish ratings for Madhubala,uttaran,Adalat ,comedy circus and other programmmes..also NOT just BALH
ALso as viewers, we are not supposed to know the ratings. its only for the purpose of advertisers and broadcasters to decide the Ad rates.
SO the question of any channel bias does not arise if some shows ratings do not get public.


May be you are correct...the process is really tough to calculate such ratings.
@ bold, Really the viewers are not supposed to know the ratings , a viewer is not supposed to know that where and at which position his/ her favorite shows stands among all other shows, but if it is true then why they show trps on sites even in SBS they show top 5 shows of the week, many of the sites publish ratings , if they are not meant for viewers than they should be kept in high security lockers by the appropriate authorities.
Obviously there is no channel bias in this case as others shows ratings of same channel is getting publish, but may be there is some other reason.
May be the channel or other authorities are recording the ratings but not publishing it because of some reasons.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: devmohan


May be you are correct...the process is really tough to calculate such ratings.
@ bold, Really the viewers are not supposed to know the ratings , a viewer is not supposed to know that where and at which position his/ her favorite shows stands among all other shows, but if it is true then why they show trps on sites even in SBS they show top 5 shows of the week, many of the sites publish ratings , if they are not meant for viewers than they should be kept in high security lockers by the appropriate authorities.
Obviously there is no channel bias in this case as others shows ratings of same channel is getting publish, but may be there is some other reason.
May be the channel or other authorities are recording the ratings but not publishing it because of some reasons.

my comment in bold.
you did not get my point.
yes as viewers we are very curious to know the ratings.I as a fan also like to know the ratings..but the ratings ARE not meant for us..who are lay peple as they are very complex to understand and fathom.They are very unlike a BOX office result of a movie whch give absolute figures based on the ticket sold at cinema halls..
it is not a ranking system perse..as all perceive.
The ratings are much much much much beyond the decimal nos that get released. What we people do is blindly compare the decimal nos and rate and rank the shows..yes media also present them like that.but they do it as they need some scoop or dope to talk about..and they know the viewers would not understand complex language but everyone is curious and it has become a good fodder for news.(what else the TV portals have..gossips,behind the scenes,spilers and ratings..some portals gets viewers as they talk about so called ratings)
See TAM released data in various formats and the viewership in different types of target groups,regions etc..what we get is the average readings..
but the system and numbers are much more complex.
its recorded and differentiated as per age,sex,location(small town,big towns..class1,LC1)..types of audiences(they are classified as SECA..SECB)
Now to measure the whole 1.2billion nation is practically impossible.
So TAM is a survey agency who specializes in this kind of research to get an idea of the Television viewership.
SO it defines a proper methodology and identifies the areas where sample readings should be taken.NOw there ARE only about 10000 meters being installed where whch rates the TV programs..
these meters are installed in metros,small towns etc..based on TAMS research on how many meters should be installed where.
no town wld have more than abt 600 meters installed.
MOst of the research is focused on the hindi speaking belt of North India.NOt even the whole country is equally measured.(for the GEC shows)
SO the channels subscribe to lots of data and break up ..regionwise,target groupwise etc etc..and figure and judge how their shows are doing in their target groups.
for eg DABH is targeted at HSM market(hindi speaking Market) and perhaps Yeh hai Mohabbatein at the urban audiences of metros..
now both their viewing habits are different.TAM has researches abt viewing timings for each of the target groups..
eventhough it may seem DABH is doing much better as we see the HIGH ratings(now since ratings are focused on HSM belt and LC1 town the avg nos are higher for DABH..but we never knw if YHM may be doing better in metros)...
now the Ad guys depending upon their product wld pick and choose their Ad spaces and wont go blindly by the averaged out numbers ..if their target group is urban market..they wld prefer sponsoring YHM OVER DABH..
there are other factors like a channels reach.. Star plus has maximum reach and hence gets maximum numbers,SOny does not have a great reach which is reflected on their numbers..
DTH houses are not considered in the ratings..
SO its indeed very complex and we as viewers wnt be able to understand. These averaged out over all nos are released by the media as everyone is so curious.
ALso the rating system has many faults and inconsistencies. There have been cases against TAM etc..
The media agencies take these ratings with a pinch of salt and have their own market survey on the same.
Also to conclude, its like our medical tests..our medical tests reports we will seldom be able to understand and diagnose..we will need a doctor to read ,understand, diagnose and conclude if we have an illness or not.
p/s:sorry for a long and complex post. But cant help. And its is complex to make one understand..hence I put in my earlier post that "the ratings are not meant for us"..but my friend, you misunderstood.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pink27

my comment in bold.

you did not get my point.
yes as viewers we are very curious to know the ratings.I as a fan also like to know the ratings..but the ratings ARE not meant for us..who are lay peple as they are very complex to understand and fathom.They are very unlike a BOX office result of a movie whch give absolute figures based on the ticket sold at cinema halls..
it is not a ranking system perse..as all perceive.
The ratings are much much much much beyond the decimal nos that get released. What we people do is blindly compare the decimal nos and rate and rank the shows..yes media also present them like that.but they do it as they need some scoop or dope to talk about..and they know the viewers would not understand complex language but everyone is curious and it has become a good fodder for news.(what else the TV portals have..gossips,behind the scenes,spilers and ratings..some portals gets viewers as they talk about so called ratings)
See TAM released data in various formats and the viewership in different types of target groups,regions etc..what we get is the average readings..
but the system and numbers are much more complex.
its recorded and differentiated as per age,sex,location(small town,big towns..class1,LC1)..types of audiences(they are classified as SECA..SECB)
Now to measure the whole 1.2billion nation is practically impossible.
So TAM is a survey agency who specializes in this kind of research to get an idea of the Television viewership.
SO it defines a proper methodology and identifies the areas where sample readings should be taken.NOw there ARE only about 10000 meters being installed where whch rates the TV programs..
these meters are installed in metros,small towns etc..based on TAMS research on how many meters should be installed where.
no town wld have more than abt 600 meters installed.
MOst of the research is focused on the hindi speaking belt of North India.NOt even the whole country is equally measured.(for the GEC shows)
SO the channels subscribe to lots of data and break up ..regionwise,target groupwise etc etc..and figure and judge how their shows are doing in their target groups.
for eg DABH is targeted at HSM market(hindi speaking Market) and perhaps Yeh hai Mohabbatein at the urban audiences of metros..
now both their viewing habits are different.TAM has researches abt viewing timings for each of the target groups..
eventhough it may seem DABH is doing much better as we see the HIGH ratings(now since ratings are focused on HSM belt and LC1 town the avg nos are higher for DABH..but we never knw if YHM may be doing better in metros)...
now the Ad guys depending upon their product wld pick and choose their Ad spaces and wont go blindly by the averaged out numbers ..if their target group is urban market..they wld prefer sponsoring YHM OVER DABH..
there are other factors like a channels reach.. Star plus has maximum reach and hence gets maximum numbers,SOny does not have a great reach which is reflected on their numbers..
DTH houses are not considered in the ratings..
SO its indeed very complex and we as viewers wnt be able to understand. These averaged out over all nos are released by the media as everyone is so curious.
ALso the rating system has many faults and inconsistencies. There have been cases against TAM etc..
The media agencies take these ratings with a pinch of salt and have their own market survey on the same.
Also to conclude, its like our medical tests..our medical tests reports we will seldom be able to understand and diagnose..we will need a doctor to read ,understand, diagnose and conclude if we have an illness or not.
p/s:sorry for a long and complex post. But cant help. And its is complex to make one understand..hence I put in my earlier post that "the ratings are not meant for us"..but my friend, you misunderstood.


Don't be sorry...what I'm saying , i think that is also is not understandable by you, I meant , if the ratings are published for others than they should be published for every show . First they were publishing ratings for BALH but suddenly they stopped , may be there are some technical reason or may be other reason . May be dear ratings are not meant for viewers , I do have read on net that how ratings are being calculated and for which purpose they are for , there can be also the possibility that the ratings which are published are not appropriate or may be they are approx .
But if every other show is on the chart then this one is missing the place , not concerned for ratings but atleast in show charts they should place all the shows, so that one can know that the show is currently running or not. If one has stopped watching the show and want to again switch back to that show then that person can see on the chart and can see that which show is currently running and which show has stopped working. A rating chart is not meant only for comparison purposes but for many other reasons.

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