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Originally posted by: NoraSM

Which one is correct?

Krushna didn't know about Arjun's exile makes me wonder if he didn't contact Pandavas and Arjun for 12 years or was Arjun's exile only for one year?

The point we are discussing is Krushna acknowledging Subhadra's protest and going ahead with his plan, Arjun was as wrong as other people who abducted women

Most likely his exile was just one year.

^^^ Krishna could hardly manipulate Balram. Despite being the husband of his sister, Arjun was never dearer to Balram ji than Duryodhan, there is no need to believe that Krishna ji could have manipulated everyone.

This line in the epic clearly indicate that he wasn't sure that he would be able to manipulate her

As I said, I don't buy that Balram ji insisting on the marriage with Duryodhan story since had it been so, Duryodhan would have attempted to marry other Yadav princess and Blaram would have facilitated that

http://www.apamnapat.com/articles/Mahabharata015.html

Here is link which shows that krishna did not ask arjun to abduct as it is

He first say to arjun if u can make subhadra fall in love with u then u can abduct her

Here brief story about arjun and subhadra love

Arjun has already fallen in love with subhadra after listening about her from friend gada ( who belongs to vrishni , a part of yadav clan)

He want to share his feelings to subhadra but before that he went to exile after breaking rule

Then after arjun came as disguise in dwarka so that no one could know him

But shree krishna was omnipresent and he recognizes arjun and even very well know why Arjun has come

Then arjun share that he is in love with subhadra. Lord krishna told that he has no problem Arjun marrying subhadra

Lord krishna says if u can make subhadra fall in love with u. U can abduct her . So krishna first make plans to meet subhadra with arjun

Here balram. Ask arjun to come in palace but arjun refuse because he was not allowed to enter palace until exile over so Arjun stayed in garden

Here subhadra meet Arjun. Till then she was not aware he was arjun

And subhadra was also fallen in love with arjun after listening from gada and krishna but she never saw arjun

So she ask arjun (who was in disguise) about Arjun

After having some talk subhadra come to know that he is Arjun and both fell in love with each other

And when both fell in love with each other then krishna ask arjun to abduct subhadra

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

See the problem with thinking "weapon" is a "weapon" and not the other "weapon"😆 is then there was no need for exile.

1. There was actually no one year rule.

2. If the king and queen were in weapons room, and Arjuna simply walked in for a legit reason, why would he get exiled?

3. Actually, why was there a need to go to weapons room? He didn't have the gandeev yet at the time. He used regular bows and arrows like every other warrior. There were many armed guards in the place. He could've simply gotten one from any of them.

😭😭 these brothers had weird fetishes

Please tell me your theory, I am thoroughly intrigued

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Thanks. There are other people who are actually well researched, but I'll take the compliment😆.

Like I said to Nora, there was no one yer rule. There was no legit reason for Arjuna to get exiled for simply seeing Yudhishtira and Panchali together in the weapons room if it were actually a weapon. He didn't even need to go to the weapons room. Arjuna didn't have his gandeev yet, and for a regular bow and arrows, he could've simply borrowed from any of the guards.

My theory might not sit well with a lot of people, but remember this is only speculation based on psychology of men and women.

I think there was lingering attraction between Arjuna and Panchali from swayamvar. I think by "weapon," Vyasa meant... er... his male weapon. He might've gotten caught making a move when he wasn't supposed to. I don't know if she reciprocated. In any case, he got exiled.

Krishna wasn't informed for whatever reason. After a year, when Arjuna ended up in Dwaraka, Krishna got to hear of the events. He knew Arjuna needed to return for future plans... ie, empire building. Ulupi was a naga girl and Chitrangada stayed in Manipura; neither situation was enough to make sure the awkwardness was soothed. Krishna saw Arjuna was attracted to Subhadra. If they were married, she could actually be the ticket to his reentry into Indraprastha as all parties wouldn't want to mess up that alliance - neither Arjuna by breaking her heart, nor the Pandava family by not welcoming her and her husband in.

Actually, this exile in the absence of the one year rule is another piece of evidence against polyandry. If she were indeed married to all 5 with no such rule, why was Arjuna exiled? There are other interesting bits as well which add to my disbelief of polyandry, but that's another discussion.

Interesting

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Interesting

😆

The "weapon" theory is something most writers with a non-divine approach take. Because the exile doesn't make any sense in a reality based world. In the absence of a one-year rule, Arjuna was being exiled for a non-existent crime if it were really bow and arrows Vyasa was talking about.

The part about Krishna's motive is speculation on my part. The other possibility is that Suyodhana-Subhadra engagement was a real thing, and Krishna wanted to break it. The question then comes why didn't he do it before? Arjuna's visit wasn't planned. So if he hadn't visited, what was Krishna planning to do to avoid getting Suyodhana as brother-in-law?

I'm not surprised by the skepticism. The theory has more twists than a jalebi. 😆 Still, it's the only one which I couldn't poke holes in.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Btw @all who said there was no law, out of topic question...

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01215.htm

Vaisampayana continued, 'The illustrious Pandavas, thus addressed by the great Rishi Narada, consulting with one another, established a rule amongst themselves in the presence of the celestial Rishi himself endued with immeasurable energy. And the rule they made was that when one of them would be sitting with Draupadi, any of the other four who would see that one thus must retire into the forest for twelve years, passing his days as a Brahmacharin. After the virtuous Pandavas had established that rule amongst themselves, the great Muni Narada, gratified with them, went to the place he wished. Thus, O Janamejaya, did the Pandavas urged by Narada, established a rule amongst themselves in regard to their common wife. And it was for this, O Bharata, that no dispute ever arose between them.'"

Just a question, if this was the "rule", then wasn't YUDHISHTHIR supposed to be exiled if HE saw ARJUN trying to use his "male weapon" On Drau considering there was no one year rule among Pandavas of drau being wife to only one

I posted this in the other thread, but this needs to be here. Thoughts please.

Also, how exactly was Arjun practicing Brahmacharin be it one year or twelve years. 🤣

I get your point. I mean if he went there to "get his weapon" it would translate into his intention of going in was what we assume it was. He can't have his weapon out. IYKWIM. 😆

^^^^ wahi Bola Maine ki no one year rule ki baat hui hai yahan no rule ki nhi

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I believe polyandry was very much present, so my POV or reasoning will be based on this:

Probably Narada's statement meant that one should not intrude in their privacy ie the private moments. So we can assume Arjun broke the rule when Yudhishthir and Draupadi were in between something private or personal. He had different desires (or else why enter Drau's chamber)

The rule also says he had to follow Brahmacharya at this time. He didn't. That was one reason to apologize as well.

Draupadi knew he would marry, the reason for apologizing is not her ignorance but because she felt bad. What's wrong in feeling bad if your husband brings a new wife. All women knew polygyny is common, that doesn't mean nobody can feel bad about it or just express some abhimaan. Not anger, jealousy or anything of that sort but abhimaan.

Of course there's no need to apologize. But maybe it was just a loving gesture on Arjun's part. Also, he was supposed to practice celibacy at this time. He also said sorry because he broke his celibacy thing and got a new wife. Also, to make Panchali feel better as she felt hurt. Not always is apologies meant when you are 100% wrong. You say sorry for hurting someone's feelings.

That does not reduce Panchali into 16 year old lovesick woman, neither does it take away her valour.

I think Brahmcharya does not mean one has to be celibate, He can have a normal marital life, I mean one should not be ruled by his senses, Arjun was someone, who had conquered his senses, so he had plain food, slept on floor etc. Normal marital relationship is permitted, just not an extensive one. I am not sure about it though @HearMeRoar can explain it better