The cop. The killer. The tree. And still my eyes look to you.

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Suzanne

@SuzanneH

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Posted: 8 years ago

Well for me, I'm seeing a few cracks in her carefully placed armour which will ultimately be her Achilles' heel. Namely, Mr. Prem Singh Rathod. She can't have him be all in love with her and sweet to her family! Sure, it's her plan that he will unknowingly assist her in her thirst for revenge but every time he looks at her or when he kissed her cheek, it threatened the strength of her armour.

In my English subtitles, her mom says to her, "Why then do I see love in your eyes for..." But then Teja quickly interrupts her with, "You don't have to keep reminding me that Prem loves me. I have nothing against Prem. His dad is my enemy."

Hmm, so she didn't deny that she has love in her eyes for Prem. She just covered up by saying that she doesn't have a problem with Prem. Now interestingly enough, since we've learned the truth that Teja knows that DSR killed her dad, she's been raging on about how she hates the whole family and that she will destroy them all. Hmm, seems to me the lady doth protest too much. She's still using Prem to put a wedge between him and his dad but she's been caught a few times with "love in her eyes". She's thinking that perhaps Prem isn't so bad.

At this point, I don't believe that Prem knows her plan of revenge. He's coming across as being genuine in his love for her. I think that if he did know something, we would see little nuances that would reveal it simply because Prem has shown his every emotion very much on his sleeve. Way more so than Tejaswini.

Now the dream has come back again. If you look at the person who is coming after DSR, it's clearly a woman. If you look at the hair, it's pinned back behind the head, and there are wisps of hair that are loose and the dress she is wearing has a tie in the back. Both are not Teja's style. I think it's more possible that it's Teja's mom OR it could be Sunaina (Deep's wife) because there has already been some hurt feelings with her. Both women wear their hair up; Teja's mom more so. Something to think about.

Then there's the flashback when her dad was shaving and he received a call from DSR. My English subtitles showed DSR saying, "You shouldn't have done what you did. I've had enough now. I'm telling you. No matter where you are, I'll find you and kill you." It begs to ask the question again, what exactly did the good cop do? It's a fairly loaded statement. What was it that he shouldn't have done??

Last but not least--------the tree. Let's hope the tree isn't going to be the downfall of this family after all this! Since Teja faked her horoscope, and we know that she has an almost perfect one, tree or no tree, we know that if they do get married without the tree, that no harm will befall on Prem because she isn't manglik.

Hmm. And so we wait.

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Posted: 8 years ago

I really don't think teja's dad did anything bad. As we know, DSR is a feared don, apart from the sweet demeanour and principled man that is displayed to us. We've been shown that teja's father was a loyal police officer who was principled and against corruption, and must have been taking some kind of action against dsr that rubbed dsr the wrong way.

Then again I fear the cv's are going to ruin things and make it that teja's father was actually negative and up to no good against dsr. I would hate that, because at the end of the day, teja dad made his own daughter a principled and righteous girl who believes in doing things by the rules, whereas dsr is a man who disregards law mostly and hence is seen taking things into his own hands at times when he loses patience with someone, which includes killing a person.

At the end of the day, they can't make dsr seem like a good man when they have already portrayed dsr as a feared don who acts like he is above the law and can kill people, plus that would make prem love his father even more, when prem is already shown to love his father immensely and believe in him, so if they show that dsr killed teja's father with good reason, prem would not be against his father or speak up against him finally. The cv's need to handle this carefully, because I'm going to be royally annoyed if they try to make dsr seem completely innocent in comparison to teja's father. DSR doesn't seem to be the typical villain, but just on the lines of being positive and grey.

And yeah! I also immediately thought that is sharda (teja's mum) in the dream. But i remember seeing this previously two times when prem had this dream on other occasions, where no person was shown trying to kill dsr, but just the person's hand, and I thought it was a man because I could see long slightly loose sleeves like on men's kurta, and the hands looked like they belonged to a man.

Anyways, I think this is indication that teja's mum will try exact her revenge on dsr for her husband's murder, or will at least attempt to near to the end of the revenge track.

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Suzanne

@SuzanneH

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Posted: 8 years ago

I think they've probably added those scenes regarding her dad so that for a moment it casts some doubt and the viewers can wonder what exactly happened. Some viewers in the past have questioned if perhaps he wasn't as honest as we think he is... However, you make a good point in that he is always portrayed as being a good man and we know that DSR is the evil don even though he has mentioned a few times in the beginning that he has basically mended his ways. We do see the loving side of him towards his family and Teja which is a big contrast from the killer side of him.

It would actually be a good track to go with if Prem learns that his dad killed Teja's dad for no good reason (you know what I mean) because that would make Prem question his dad's motives and add stress to the relationship that Prem has with his dad. He may end up not being so blind towards his dad.

Even the bad things that Prem has done, it's been for a good reason from his perspective. Such as when they kidnapped the groom who jilted his pregnant girlfriend. They did that because they were defending the honor of the girl. Kidnapping is still wrong but his motives were good as he believed that he was correcting an injustice.

Teja's aim is to pit son against father so that the son will pull away from the father and follow her. Once the cracks have been established, then it will be easy for them to break. DSR will then lose his only child. His only son.

But like someone else mentioned in another post that we'll probably end up seeing Teja break the family but she will also be the one to mend the family and everyone will live happily ever after. 😊

As for the dream, when they showed the earlier scenes, it definitely looked like it was a man but after yesterday's dream, you know that it's a female. I wonder if the writers had the story line going one way and then changed their minds or most likely it was meant to just throw us off.

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Sapna

@NainoMeinSapna

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sammy17
I really don't think teja's dad did anything bad. As we know, DSR is a feared don, apart from the sweet demeanour and principled man that is displayed to us. We've been shown that teja's father was a loyal police officer who was principled and against corruption, and must have been taking some kind of action against dsr that rubbed dsr the wrong way.

Then again I fear the cv's are going to ruin things and make it that teja's father was actually negative and up to no good against dsr. I would hate that, because at the end of the day, teja dad made his own daughter a principled and righteous girl who believes in doing things by the rules, whereas dsr is a man who disregards law mostly and hence is seen taking things into his own hands at times when he loses patience with someone, which includes killing a person.

At the end of the day, they can't make dsr seem like a good man when they have already portrayed dsr as a feared don who acts like he is above the law and can kill people, plus that would make prem love his father even more, when prem is already shown to love his father immensely and believe in him, so if they show that dsr killed teja's father with good reason, prem would not be against his father or speak up against him finally. The cv's need to handle this carefully, because I'm going to be royally annoyed if they try to make dsr seem completely innocent in comparison to teja's father. DSR doesn't seem to be the typical villain, but just on the lines of being positive and grey.

And yeah! I also immediately thought that is sharda (teja's mum) in the dream. But i remember seeing this previously two times when prem had this dream on other occasions, where no person was shown trying to kill dsr, but just the person's hand, and I thought it was a man because I could see long slightly loose sleeves like on men's kurta, and the hands looked like they belonged to a man.

Anyways, I think this is indication that teja's mum will try exact her revenge on dsr for her husband's murder, or will at least attempt to near to the end of the revenge track.

I agree with you about making Teja's dad negative, that would be quite unfair to Teja; for her to find out that her dad, who taught her to be a righteous and just person, who was a police officer actually had his own ulterior motives. And also, it would make her revenge unjust and essentially allow for Prem to take his father's side against her.

Also, in the description of the show, they call DSR a retired don, so maybe he was more cruel in the past, but changed overtime? One thing that annoys me is when DSR says "people think I'm a don" and tries to draw pity to himself. Like obviously if the whole city, including the police is afraid of you, and your own brother doesn't agree with your principles, you must've done something wrong.

So basically, even I would be royally annoyed if Teja's dad is shown wrong and DSR right.

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Sapna

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Posted: 8 years ago

Hey Suzanne, nice analysis!

Prem's love is definitely going to be a hurdle in Teja's quest for revenge. I don't know if Teja loves Prem or not, but she's definitely fond of him and she does care for him.

In the scene which you are referring to, Sharda never says the word love, but is cut off before she can say it. The mistranslation here happened because of the difference in sentence structure between English and Hindi. Basically, she said "Par, kyun phir, teri aankhon mein mujhe baar baar Prem ke liye-" The literal English translation of what she said would be " But, why then, your eyes in, I can again and again for Prem-" The probably continuation of her question would be "pyaar nazar aata hai?" or "pyaar dikhta hai?" Both of which mean "love see?" But in English the same question would be "But, why then, can I see love in your eyes for Prem again and again?" So basically, my point is that Teja cut Sharda off before she could say love or whatever she sees in Teja's eyes for Prem. And Teja said "Mom please, you don't have to keep reminding me that Prem loves me." So my interpretation of that was that Teja didn't realize that Sharda was going to say that she can see love in Teja's eyes for Prem, because perhaps she wasn't really paying attention to the question. But the way the question was phrased, the audience would understand that Sharda can see love for Prem in Teja's eyes.

But anyways, I also think it's interesting that on the one hand she wants to destroy DSR's family, but on the other hand, she doesn't have anything against Prem. So how then is she supposed to destroy DSR's family without harming Prem? I think that the real hurdle is going to be when she will see Prem indirectly being hurt by her revenge. Then, she will start to hesitate and question her own motives.

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Suzanne

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Posted: 8 years ago

Thanks Sapna for the translation. I dearly wish I was fluent in the language 😭.

Even though her mom didn't say "love" she certainly has caught Teja a couple of times with stars in her eyes when Teja didn't know her mom was watching her. I don't believe that those moments were part of her act either because she got caught.

I was just thinking, what if ...and I mean a BIG WHAT IF ?????? Teja actually had developed feelings for Prem prior to knowing the truth about DSR and now that she sees how much Prem clearly loves her, that she is beginning to love him too. Some of her expressions seem to reveal that she is already pulled between revenge and love (or strong like).

And the way you described the Hindi translation of that scene with her mom, it seems that Teja revealed a bit more than she probably intended to. Her mom didn't say the word "love" but it was implied and looked like Teja protested too soon even though she may have not paid attention to the words her mom was saying.

A example would be two girlfriends talking about a guy.

1st girl - Have you seen Steve's art exhibit?

2nd girl - No! I mean we only went for lunch and then a movie. It wasn't a big deal. But we just went as friends.

1st girl - OK... just wanted to know if you saw his art exhibit. But maybe you should tell me more about this lunch!

😉

So, THE BIG IF might be that by telling her family that she has to marry Prem in order to exact her revenge on DSR, it was the only way to marry Prem because her mom wouldn't have agreed to the marriage in any other circumstance. This way, even though her mom is reluctantly going along with the plan, Teja will be able to marry Prem with her mom's blessings because it's all in the honour of her dad.

I mean, wouldn't that be a little "crazy"?

But on a more somber note, I read somewhere that Prem will learn about her deceitful plan and dump her only for Teja to then realize that she loves him and can't live without him. But alas, it will be too late. The damage will have been done.

So we'll see if that little prediction comes true.

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Sapna

@NainoMeinSapna

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: SuzanneH

Thanks Sapna for the translation. I dearly wish I was fluent in the language 😭.

Even though her mom didn't say "love" she certainly has caught Teja a couple of times with stars in her eyes when Teja didn't know her mom was watching her. I don't believe that those moments were part of her act either because she got caught.

I was just thinking, what if ...and I mean a BIG WHAT IF ?????? Teja actually had developed feelings for Prem prior to knowing the truth about DSR and now that she sees how much Prem clearly loves her, that she is beginning to love him too. Some of her expressions seem to reveal that she is already pulled between revenge and love (or strong like).

And the way you described the Hindi translation of that scene with her mom, it seems that Teja revealed a bit more than she probably intended to. Her mom didn't say the word "love" but it was implied and looked like Teja protested too soon even though she may have not paid attention to the words her mom was saying.

A example would be two girlfriends talking about a guy.

1st girl - Have you seen Steve's art exhibit?

2nd girl - No! I mean we only went for lunch and then a movie. It wasn't a big deal. But we just went as friends.

1st girl - OK... just wanted to know if you saw his art exhibit. But maybe you should tell me more about this lunch!

😉

So, THE BIG IF might be that by telling her family that she has to marry Prem in order to exact her revenge on DSR, it was the only way to marry Prem because her mom wouldn't have agreed to the marriage in any other circumstance. This way, even though her mom is reluctantly going along with the plan, Teja will be able to marry Prem with her mom's blessings because it's all in the honour of her dad.

I mean, wouldn't that be a little "crazy"?

But on a more somber note, I read somewhere that Prem will learn about her deceitful plan and dump her only for Teja to then realize that she loves him and can't live without him. But alas, it will be too late. The damage will have been done.

So we'll see if that little prediction comes true.

Well, that would be "crazy"! But if you remember in that confrontation scene between Sharda and Teja in the mahasangam episode, Sharda had raised the same question. When Teja first told Sharda that she was marrying Prem for her revenge, Sharda asked, "Have you stooped so low in your love that you're covering it up as revenge for your dad's murder?" At that time Teja had denied it. But it is definitely a possibility that Teja unknowingly had feelings for Prem before she found out about her father's murder. But upon finding out the truth, her anger towards DSR overshadowed her premature feelings for Prem. But now, that she's allowed to romance Prem, albeit as a pretence, those feelings are coming back and are growing.

As far as the prediction is concerned. That prediction probably stems from the fact that that's what happens in every single Indian soap with a revenge/deceit track ever. The person being deceived finds out about the deceit right when the person who is deceiving decides to come clean. There are usually even "confession" scenes where the person who was deceiving will confess everything to the person being deceived only to find out that they had fallen asleep or something. 😆😆

This show has so far done things differently from other Indian soaps so maybe (hopefully) in this situation they'll show a different outcome too. Because I've personally become bored of the "not so perfect yet perfect timing" revelation outcome.

Edited by NainoMeinSapna - 8 years ago

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Suzanne

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Posted: 8 years ago

Oooh I totally forgot that conversation with her mom. Actually, it was good that you brought it up again because it sheds light on her feelings a little more clearly.

Just maybe, part of the "craziness" of this story will be that the writers will actually go a completely different path than the standard soap. We can hope!

I'm sorry I can't remember if I asked this before but aside from Kumkum Bhagya which has been on the air for more than 3 years, are most Indian soaps usually short lived?

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AMRITA

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Posted: 8 years ago

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So we'll see if that little prediction comes true.

Oh really .. where have you read it .can you share the link for me to read too

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Sapna

@NainoMeinSapna

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Originally posted by: SuzanneH

Oooh I totally forgot that conversation with her mom. Actually, it was good that you brought it up again because it sheds light on her feelings a little more clearly.

Just maybe, part of the "craziness" of this story will be that the writers will actually go a completely different path than the standard soap. We can hope!

I'm sorry I can't remember if I asked this before but aside from Kumkum Bhagya which has been on the air for more than 3 years, are most Indian soaps usually short lived?

Yeah hopefully!

And to answer your question, there really is no timeline for how long a soap will last. 😆😆😆Everything is always up in the air as far as Indian soaps are concerned. The channels are usually just interested in TRPs because more TRPs = more money. So as long as a show has good TRPs, it will be allowed to stay on air, but then when the TRPs drop and/or are consistently low, the channel will cancel the show.

Kumkum Bhagya has great TRPs and from time to time even comes in #1, which explains why it's been running for 3 years. There are shows on other channels which have run for like 8-10 years. Other shows like Bin Kuch Kahe and Sethji were fairly new, but ended quickly due to the consistent low TRPs.

Basically, to sum it up, in Indian soap world, everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) relies on the TRP. If a particular plot in a show is attracting TRP, it will be stretched and stretched until it cannot be stretched any further and if a plot isn't attracting TRP, it will have the most illogical ending. Also, when a channel decides to end a show because of low TRPs they usually give fairly short notices, and so shows often end abruptly.

So the TRP business ties into our discussion about the fate of Teja's revenge. The reason Indian soaps will reuse and recycle the same plots over and over again is because they know that it attracts TRPs. So I wouldn't be surprised if they also show the same outcome in this show for TRPs.

Sorry for rambling so much, I was just trying to give you a more complete understanding of the Indian soap industry.