some informations about vaccine and autism

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I just created this to bring it to more peoples attention. It is the summary of what I posted before.
Autism and the factors
Autism is not exactly genetic. BUT there is a higher possibility of having the second child autistic if the first one is autistic.
there are other factors like the environmental factor are there. The indian website on autism claims it doesn't have relation with what the mother eats during pregnancy. BUT, I happened to talk to a autism therapist in NYC and she mentioned that she has seen a greater proportion of autistic children from Bangladesh decent in her clinic. She mentioned that bangladeshi people eats the frozen fish from bangladesh during pregnancy and it may have some effect. Well, for us indians, people from westbengal, maharastra, kerala, goa eat a lot of fish too, so any link???? AGAIN DON'T KNOW. It may be related to fish mercury and I had not taken any fish except tilapia in my pregnancy 😛.
I did a lot of research about MMR and autism. Though not clinically proven, there is a connection somewhere. It is not that all children will have autism if MMR is given together, but not every children is same. if somebody have mitochondrial disorder, they MAY get autism with MMR. also I have heard about some gastrointestinal problems in infants and if they get MMR together, may lead to autism. And again, brain function is very complicated. Some of the earlier symptoms include not looking into eyes, doesn't want to be held, not talking etc. I remember my pediatrician asked me if my daughter knows her name and told me to call her when she was 6 months old. I called and daughter looked at me, the pedi said "I was sceening for autism".
some scientists believe that when u r giving live viruses together to an infant, sometimes as a byproduct it produces free radicals and these free radical reacts in the brain and affects brain function. AGAIN NOT FOR EVERYBODY. that is why few children get autism from it (as their parents claim) and most of the others are perfectly fine.
I am very sure of one thing, there is a relation of MMR and speech of children. I hear from so many people that "MY son/daughter was talking until 12-18 months old and stopped talking and didn't talk until they were 3. I never tell them, but I see a correlation, that's the time when they give the MMR vaccine. these children didn't become autistic but definitely their speech was affected for some time.
IMO, there is no exact relation. Some cases it is vaccines for sure.
Why it its not taken seriuosly (by govt and pharma company)???
Myself, having a Ph.D. in a pharm field and working in a major pharma company, I do know the science. Sometimes people say "do u know that american pediatrician association says it is not clinically proven?" Yes, I know. I know how the results are calculated and submitted. I am not happy with it. and u r right, that is why I see vioxx and other drugs fail and end up paying millions of dollars compensation. but can we do it the other way? may be not. in that case, we will not see any beneficial medication. and thereafter, the generic companies will wait for the patent expiration and jump on it. Pharma companies are making less and less money over the years as we need to screen 10000 compounds to get a good one and bring it to market. so who will bear all the costs? the patients offcourse. that's why the drug price is so high.
coming to the vaccines area, the generics can't copy it easily. so if a company gets a good vaccine, then that's it!!! so it is difficult for them to accept that any vaccine has any problem. they are also tied up with govt officials. So even if all the autistic patients and their parents cry their heart out, it is never going to make any difference.
Now what can we do as parents? it is true that not all the children having problems with vaccines. My daughter never even had fever except one time when she was 8 weeks old. so why am I worried? I read a lot about this MMR and autism and could never say there is or isn't a link. I didn't want to take a chance. I separated MMR as three separate vaccines giving each one apart.
I happened to call 1000 phone calls to different pediatricians offices, travel clinic etc to get a monovalent mumps vaccine for my daughter when Merck stopped making it, because I didn't want any risk. She was fine with all other vaccines, but again with MMR, I don't want any risk. I went from NY to NC driving 12 hours each way and spending $500 just for a mumps vaccine. and I don't regret it.
MY SUGGESTION: try to find a vaccine friendly doctor who will actually listen to ur concern. Read Dr. Sears vaccine book. Try to give as less vaccine as possible together. I know someyimes we have to give 5 vaccines together because of insurance etc. But try to split it. Evaluate ur child yourself. things like whether the child look at you when u call her at 6 month age is a good indication. whether the the child look into ur eyes, likes to cuddle are other evaluations.
FYI: Merck tried to market Proquad (MMR and chicken pox together), chicken pox is not a mandatory vaccine by CDC. Proquad gave seizures to 50% of patients. they stopped making it for the time being. Merck stopped making separate monovalent MMR (mumps, measles, rubella) for pushing MMR together. if u split the vaccines the side effects are less. Merck just annouced that they will make the monovalent vaccines again. so there is pressure from the patients/docs.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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now i had posted one topic india more prone to autisim{ i posted it here again so that u can read it} in that it is mentioned that mercury ,poisoining ,environmental factors and some vaccine base can cause autisim,so your opinion is truly right
and in india goverment recognised autisim very late i.e 2001
now i read some where that some children are having some mitochondrial defects so they are more prone to autisim
so nice to know u are also from pharmacy profession i am too doing my pharmacy 2nd year.😃
thanks for so much information😃
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Many issues make effective Autism treatment in India difficult, including social attitudes, political will, and environmental conditions.


The history of Autism in India is complex. Despite having the largest literature on the subject of any developing country, the government only recognized the existence of the disorder in 2001 (in the 1980s there were reports that Autism did not exist in India) (Daley, 2004).

Attitudes

A lack of government acceptance is indicative of attitudes toward Autism in India. The social stigma of having a child with a developmental disability may lead parents to keep their children from diagnosis; also, Indian society emphasizes conformity and social relatedness, two factors which may prevent parents from wanting to "make waves" and push for diagnosis (Daley, 2004).

Early Intervention

These conditions among government and society may prevent children with Autism from an early diagnosis, which complicates receiving Early Intervention, or behavioral treatment for Autism during the pre-school years. This treatment is helpful to establish appropriate behavior and communication for children with Autism; effective Early Intervention may lead to the child participating in inclusion programs in their school (Daley, 2004).

Environmental Toxin

Another factor affecting Autism in India is the country's use of vaccines with a Thimerosal base. There is research evidence linking the Thimerosal vaccine base to Autism; Thimerosal is a mercury base for vaccines which most children metabolize out, but some children might not possess the bile to metabolize, leading to mercury poisoning. Some argue that this mercury poisoning is behind Autism (Varshney, 2006).

However, although Thimerosal was removed from vaccines universally in most countries between 1997 and 2003 (Harris & O'Connor, 2005), India still retains the vaccines with a Thimerosal base, mainly because the Thimerosal based vaccine is less expensive than the Thimerosal-free version (Varshney, 2006). This environmental toxin could lead to increased cases of Autism. now something related to mitochondria and autisim

April 15, 2008 (updated April 25, 2008) (Chicago, Illinois) — New research suggests mitochondrial dysfunction may play a role in the etiology of autism spectrum disorders (ASD) in a subset of this patient population.

Here at the American Academy of Neurology 60th Annual Meeting, a retrospective analysis of 41 children with ASD who were being evaluated for suspected mitochondrial disease showed that 32 (78%) had defects in skeletal muscle oxidative phosphorylation (OXPHOS) enzyme function and 29 of 39 (74%) harbored abnormalities in the OXPHOS proteins.

"We're very excited by these findings, and, based on these results, we will continue to pursue this [mitochondrial dysfunction] as a potential cause in a segment of the autistic population," principal investigator John Shoffner, MD, owner of Medical Neurogenetics, in Atlanta, Georgia, told Medscape Neurology & Neurosurgery.

While it is common for patients with mitochondrial disorders to have autistic features, Dr. Shoffner said his team investigated whether the opposite was true, that patients with ASD had indicators of underlying mitochondrial disease.

Study subjects were children aged 2 to 16 years who had a confirmed diagnosis of ASD and were referred for investigation of possible mitochondrial dysfunction due to the presence of markers for mitochondrial dysfunction, including increased lactate, pyruvate, and/or alanine.

Significant Numbers of Affected Individuals?

According to Dr. Shoffner, previous recent research has reported that up to 20% of children with autism have hyperlactacidemia and increased ratios of lactate/pyruvate.

"When you consider the frequency of autism in the general population, and you take 20% of that as a rough estimate of the proportion of children that may have these biomarkers [of mitochondrial dysfunction], it begins to raise some interesting questions about how to approach diagnosis, mechanism of disease, and patient management in what could turn out to be significant numbers of individuals," said Dr. Shoffner.

To find a possible explanation for elevated lactate levels, the investigators conducted a more detailed investigation that included analysis of mitochondrial enzyme activity in skeletal muscle biopsies.

They found defects in a series of selected representative proteins from each of the 5 enzyme complexes, which are responsible for producing and synthesizing energy in the muscles.

"Not only did we find enzyme defects in these patients, but we also took the investigation a step further and isolated and examined selected proteins involved in oxidative phosphorylation and found many of the proteins were also abnormal," said Dr. Shoffer.

The researchers found defects in all 5 enzyme complexes, often described as the body's "power plants." Complex 1 abnormalities were the most common, with 41% of patients affected by OXPHOS enzyme and protein chemistry criteria. In addition to enzyme-function abnormalities, the investigators also found evidence of degradation of their proteins.

The muscle mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) was sequenced in 40 of the patients. Of these, 75% (30/40) had normal mtDNA. Two subjects had heteroplasmic mtDNA mutations, which are often a marker for pathogenicity. The remainder had changes in the mtDNA that are still under investigation.

According to Dr. Shoffner, these data indicate that nuclear DNA mutations are the most likely causes of the mitochondrial defects. However, mtDNA mutations do occur.

"Obviously, autism is not a single condition but a true spectrum of disorders. There are many ways in which the genes can go awry, and our hope is that this study will open the door to a greater understanding of at least 1 subset of this patient population with metabolic and enzymologist changes," he said.

However, he added, further research in unselected populations of autistic patients is needed to confirm these findings.

Bruce H. Cohen, MD, a staff physician and pediatric neurologist at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, who specializes in ASD and mitochondrial disorders, said he is "enthusiastic" about the study's findings.

"Although these are newly presented data, those of us in the field of mitochondrial disease have been seeing these nonspecific electron-transport-chain enzymology changes in children with autism spectrum disorders for some time.

"But what is really interesting are the findings from analysis of the mitochondrial protein analysis, which showed evidence of mitochondrial dysfunction. Furthermore, the fact that 2 of these 40 patients had novel mitochondrial DNA was really fascinating," Dr. Cohen told Medscape Neurology & Neurosurgery.

However, Dr. Cohen noted at this point the clinical utility of these results is limited.

"For the physician out there who sees a child with ASD and neurologic regression, these findings may mean that child ought to be considered for further investigation with biochemical screening tests, mitochondrial DNA testing, and possibly even muscle biopsy if the clinical implications are appropriate," he said.

However, he added, since at this point there's no definitive treatment for mitochondrial disease, the immediate value of this research may lie in providing genetic screening and counseling to families who have a child with this profile.


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