Zaroon does bother me - Page 2

Originally posted by: jodah

zaroon is very staright forward & very honest about his likes,dislikes & rights...

Originally posted by: nevah_mind

No spoiler alerts as you have requested. :) But lets keep that part in mind for discussion later. :)

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sure buddy 😊

Contrary to popular fangirl belief, Zaroon is not perfect in the least. However, his character undergoes general growth that can be deemed positive through the show. The fact of the matter is that he does start off as a chauvinist and chauvinism isn't something that leaves the heart of a man who ever entertained it. But Zaroon also respects women. Citing Rafiya's example in front of his mother proved that. The fact that he married Kashaf also says a lot about how he doesn't like weak women. But does he want women to be equal to him? Not really, no.

Zaroon has been one complex character in the sense that his sexist behavior is due to his mother's neglect toward his household. Then again, the culture of his country also influences his behavior, remembering what he told Sara when they both got home at two in the morning. Resolving these complexes was a part of Zaroon's character on the show.

The thing about him that bothers me, though is that I find his reasons for marrying Kashaf very hypocritical. He's been round the world, met every kind of woman there is and been friendly plenty. But when it came to getting married, he didn't choose the women he had been socializing with all his life but with Kashaf who is conservative in many rights and doesn't interact with the opposite sex almost at all. The wedding was also very practical, if you look at it another way. But this is how I look at it.

[SIZE=4]xxx[\SIZE] Not only zaroon i have a issue with other characters too. I liked the 1st week episodes of this show just because of Rafia's character. But later they destroyed it by showing her a lady with no self respect. She is very happily talking with murtaza. Where is her self respect ?
Zaroon Zunaid.. I still don't understand his definition of liberal women. He comes late at night but preaching his sister. I am not saying that her sister was right, She was wrong but zaroon too.
People says he is real, normal unlike our indian tv shows heroes who are perfect and unrealistic..
But my opinion is different..
For me zaroon's character is giving a wrong message..
If he will keep thinking like this till the end then he is definitely giving a wrong message.
Sorry for using this word but he is a hypocrite.

And Kashaf murtaza : She is doing complaints that 'Ek gareeb mulk mein 25000 ki tankhwah aur ek purani second hand gaadi de di jati hai'
Then why she had decided to do a government job ?
She was earning 50,000 per month in private sector but she left that job, So if she is living in a gareeb mulk then She shouldn't have decided to do a government job.
Her mother is a principal in government school and her salary was not sufficient for her family and bcoz of that kashaf and her sisters has done alot of compromises so now why kashaf is also doing a government job ?

She could have done better in private sector. She takes wrong decisions and then complaints 'Sindh k jangal mein posting kar di gayi, ek ghar aur second hand gaadi' etc.
For me she is a girl with less of intelligence.
Initially she had inferiority complex but later she had started showing attitude, i mean her friend maria..
Maria used to be very sweet with her but kashaf was giving her attitude. She is still very arrogant.


And i still don't understand the reason of zaroon's decision of marrying kashaf. He is making us more and more confused and it's all because of poor script, dialogues and direction.

The most important thing is..
They both are living in a different cities and they can see each other at weekend only but till now they have not discussed anything about taking a transfer.
My problem with this show is that they have skipped so many important scenes like before engagement rafia and kashaf's meeting with zaroon's parents etc.
they have skipped that and the result is blooper like.. zaroon's mom doesn't know that her samdhan is a working women [LoL]
Is that possible in real ???
From the past 10episodes zaroon is talking on a same topic.. Liberal women..
Which is really irritating.

Now a days i don't watch any indian tv shows because of so much negativity.
But at the same time i can't watch this pak show also where a male character doesn't believe in equal status of husband & wife.
I have read in some post that he won't change in the end too,then i can't watch these type of male lead characters just for a sake of watching romance as i can't connect with them.
So i have stopped watching this show. I didn't watch yesterday's episode.
This was my view point only. No offence to anyone.

Originally posted by: Perfect100

[SIZE=4]xxx[\SIZE] Not only zaroon i have a issue with other characters too. I liked the 1st week episodes of this show just because of Rafia's character. But later they destroyed it by showing her a lady with no self respect. She is very happily talking with murtaza. Where is her self respect ?

Everyone talks about Rafiya's strong character. Even I feel she used to be like that, but now she annoys me because most of the times she is being this larger than life good person. She gets so excited and happy everytie Hamad comes to her house. She can be nice and polite, but she overdoes it. Murtuza didn't attend Sidra's wedding. What a complete $*(*$$#^(! And she still consults him about the other daughter's rishta? And then she keeps on lecturing Kashaf on how to keep her husband happy by cooking for him and doing his work. It makes me sick.
Zaroon Zunaid.. I still don't understand his definition of liberal women. He comes late at night but preaching his sister. I am not saying that her sister was right, She was wrong but zaroon too.
People says he is real, normal unlike our indian tv shows heroes who are perfect and unrealistic..
But my opinion is different..
For me zaroon's character is giving a wrong message..
If he will keep thinking like this till the end then he is definitely giving a wrong message.
Sorry for using this word but he is a hypocrite.

I agree about his character completely. its just that it is Fawad Khan who is doing the role and that is why it is lovely to watch his scenes. But character wise, he is worse than a horrible chauvinist. As it progresses, there is no relation of one part of the story with the previous one. The direction is really not good.

And Kashaf murtaza : She is doing complaints that 'Ek gareeb mulk mein 25000 ki tankhwah aur ek purani second hand gaadi de di jati hai'
Then why she had decided to do a government job ?
She was earning 50,000 per month in private sector but she left that job, So if she is living in a gareeb mulk then She shouldn't have decided to do a government job.
Her mother is a principal in government school and her salary was not sufficient for her family and bcoz of that kashaf and her sisters has done alot of compromises so now why kashaf is also doing a government job ?

She could have done better in private sector. She takes wrong decisions and then complaints 'Sindh k jangal mein posting kar di gayi, ek ghar aur second hand gaadi' etc.
For me she is a girl with less of intelligence.
Initially she had inferiority complex but later she had started showing attitude, i mean her friend maria..
Maria used to be very sweet with her but kashaf was giving her attitude. She is still very arrogant.
I don't get your point about working in a pvt job v/s govt. job. Can you please explain why you think she should not be doing a govt job because of her opinions of living in a poor country?

I however agree with her attitude. She is so ungrateful and rude. I mentioned that in a post earlier somewhere else too. No matter how much negativity she has within, she cannot be so rude to people. What does that say about Rafiya's upbringing, then? Also Zaroon is so well mannered and polite, it should say good things about his upbringing. But they keep showing Ghazala being the mother who didn't care about her children and never gave them time.

its things like this which just don't fall into place.

And i still don't understand the reason of zaroon's decision of marrying kashaf. He is making us more and more confused and it's all because of poor script, dialogues and direction.

The most important thing is..
They both are living in a different cities and they can see each other at weekend only but till now they have not discussed anything about taking a transfer.
My problem with this show is that they have skipped so many important scenes like before engagement rafia and kashaf's meeting with zaroon's parents etc.
they have skipped that and the result is blooper like.. zaroon's mom doesn't know that her samdhan is a working women [LoL]
Is that possible in real ???
From the past 10episodes zaroon is talking on a same topic.. Liberal women..
Which is really irritating.

Agreed. Its been stuck. More so all the time showing Murtuza and his wife eating and talking about the same thing. Completely unnecessary. And where was he at the wedding finally? Bad direction. It was important to show why he was not there, since he deliberately did not come for Sidra's wedding.

Now a days i don't watch any indian tv shows because of so much negativity.
But at the same time i can't watch this pak show also where a male character doesn't believe in equal status of husband & wife.
I have read in some post that he won't change in the end too,then i can't watch these type of male lead characters just for a sake of watching romance as i can't connect with them.
So i have stopped watching this show. I didn't watch yesterday's episode.
This was my view point only. No offence to anyone.

Interesting discussion here...
I think most children idealize their parents and their marriages and want their spouse to be like the parent of the opposite gender. In Zaroon and Kashaf's case it was the opposite where he didnt want a spouse like his mom and she didnt want a spouse like her father. Kashaf's reasons are actually clearer than Zaroon's who he seems to come from a perfect family.
I think Zaroon has old fashioned ideas about the roles of women and men in the family ie the man is the provider and protector while the woman is the nurturer. While Kashaf's father and uncle also have similar ideas...unlike them Zaroon takes his role of a provider and protector very seriously.
I also think what Zaroon doesnt want in a wife is she putting herself and her career before him and their kids like his mom did. I guess most women including Kashaf too would have similar expectations from their spouses. Otherwise he is married to a pretty headstrong woman himself and he knows that. Kashaf is probably more headstrong than Sara, Asmara or Gazala.
He does have an issue with liberal women..partly for their safety and partly also because of the general society. Thats probably the reason why despite being a flirt himself a 'conquest' automatically falls in his eyes. And its not just Zaroon...I think even Osama likes Kashaf because she isnt one of Zaroon's conquests.

But despite his confusingly endearing personality traits what I really like about Zaroon is that he is always ready for a discussion and is ready to accept his mistakes when he goes wrong. Like during dinner when Kashraf says a wife should have a say on important matter he doesnt deny it. And willingly agrees to discuss the issue with her later.
Going further into the episodes from Episode 21 to 26 we see several such instances.

Originally posted by: nevah_mind

I don't get your point about working in a pvt job v/s govt. job. Can you please explain why you think she should not be doing a govt job because of her opinions of living in a poor country?

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Do you remember that scene when she said "Isse behtar to meri pehli wali naukari thi, agar aaj woh naukari kar rahi hoti to kafi bada package milta".Initially i was happy for her when she cleared the CSS exam but after this scene she forced me to think that money was always important for her as she had struggled alot for money and once sidra also said"Paisa to. tumhare liye bhi bhut ehmiyat rakhta hai" so she can never be happy in govt.job as salary is less there. She is lucky that Zaroon is rich otherwise after marriage wahin sab phirse 'Kya mila muje ye sarkari naukari karke ? Aaj agar private sector mein hoti to badi-badi gaadiyon mein ghoom rahi hoti naa k iss purani second hand gaadi mein" 😆 So It's all about satisfaction.
I agree with all the bloopers you have mentioned in your post. Hamad should be younger then shaneela, Sidra's husband and inlaws were missing in Kashaf's wedding. And i agree with your point that they are giving a wrong message to society, You perfectly nailed it.

Originally posted by: Perfect100

Do you remember that scene when she said "Isse behtar to meri pehli wali naukari thi, agar aaj woh naukari kar rahi hoti to kafi bada package milta".Initially i was happy for her when she cleared the CSS exam but after this scene she forced me to think that money was always important for her as she had struggled alot for money and once sidra also said"Paisa to. tumhare liye bhi bhut ehmiyat rakhta hai" so she can never be happy in govt.job as salary is less there. She is lucky that Zaroon is rich otherwise after marriage wahin sab phirse 'Kya mila muje ye sarkari naukari karke ? Aaj agar private sector mein hoti to badi-badi gaadiyon mein ghoom rahi hoti naa k iss purani second hand gaadi mein" 😆 So It's all about satisfaction.
I agree with all the bloopers you have mentioned in your post. Hamad should be younger then shaneela, Sidra's husband and inlaws were missing in Kashaf's wedding. And i agree with your point that they are giving a wrong message to society, You perfectly nailed it.

Originally posted by: nevah_mind

ohhhkay! I get your point. It makes a lot of sense. Though, I never thought of it like this. Also she is so negative, that she cribs about everything, even if its a good thing.

Exactly !