Zaroon does bother me

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Posted: 11 years ago
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This is probably going to be a very unpopular opinion,bear with me.
May be his views are realistic,it is not entirely safe to be out of the house at 2 or 3 am.I totally get his anger when his fiancee does not even bother telling him that she is going to some other country with her friends.His mother's lecture on him being a man from the stone age was not required at all when he merely said that she could have told him before going to that conference of hers!

But what IS too headstrong and too liberal,really?He said he does not like any woman who is too headstrong or liberal,its like he has this fixed image of an ideal woman in his mind...and sexism is not only about seeing the other gender lesser than yours,it also constitutes of stereotyping.

He seems to have a problem that his mom does not cook herself,that her sister does not know how to fix a shirt,he complains that nobody(that is a woman) checks when clothes come back from laundry,but he can try to handle these things too right?At least when it comes to his clothes,its not as if his mom sits idle all day.

It seems to me that even though Zaroon respects women and does not want a weak wife who has no personality he still does not think that a wife is completely equal to a husband...the difference between the status of a husband and a wife might be less in his mind but its there IMO.He is not the biggest sexist out there but he still is one.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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of course he is. no matter how much ppl say that he is typical or normal. but typical does not mean right. normal does not mean right.

a lot of ppl had a problem with this when the show was aired. and the show does not deal with this issue or sort it out later. otherwise being married to someone like kashaf would be the perfect opportunity to showcase that transformation.

that's why a lot of ppl said that the show was fabulous with amazing performances but ultimately the direction let it down from being truly perfect.

still even with its flaws I love it. I have imagined in my head that kashaf beat his head with a heavy pan till he finally got the concept of equality. and they lived happily ever after
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I don't think so.
He always has said that Ghazala was not a bad mother...she was not all that usually mother are. She was not a bad mother but an irresponsible one. Her priority were not the kids and family but her career. And as a typical, normal guy his expectations were never met. He was just not satisfied with what his mom did because he thought that all the attention that his friends got from their mother. He even mentions it in later episodes once that he always saw his family, father suffering because of her mother's carelessness. Zaroon doesn't want women to be as liberal as Sara and his mother.
On the contrary he respects women like Rafiya Ji as he even says today "She does a remarkable job.". Rafiya Ji is also a liberal, head-strong, independent woman who handles everything perfectly. She works and takes care of her children, home and family equally. According to Zaroon THAT is a liberal woman, the one he looks upto, the pone he wants and that is what he sees in Kashaf.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: zohasad2.0

I don't think so.

He always has said that Ghazala was not a bad mother...she was not all that usually mother are. She was not a bad mother but an irresponsible one. Her priority were not the kids and family but her career. And as a typical, normal guy his expectations were never met. He was just not satisfied with what his mom did because he thought that all the attention that his friends got from their mother. He even mentions it in later episodes once that he always saw his family, father suffering because of her mother's carelessness. Zaroon doesn't want women to be asliberal as Sara and his mother.


On the contrary he respects women like Rafiya Ji as he even says today "She does a remarkable job.". Rafiya Ji is also a liberal, head-strong, independent woman who handles everything perfectly. She works and takes care of her children, home and family equally. According to Zaroon THAT is a liberal woman, the one he looks upto, the pone he wants and that is what he sees in Kashaf.



rafiya is not a headstrong woman. she is a woman who is undoubtedly strong to make the best out of a situation but she takes all kind of shit from her husband. even her marital advice to kashaf is mostly annoying

zaroons mother worked. so yes she gave him less time. but did he ever ask the same ques from his dad? why didn't you give us time. no. even today he says that he thinks that women should do all the work of the house.

this superwoman concept has damaged women more than any regressive stand. we are expected to be good at everything . men just need to go out and earn.

he has a problem with his fiance hanging out late with other guys. but he has no problem hanging out with other girls till late. are they not someone else's sister/ daughter? he says he dies not want guys to comment on his wife bec of her dress or habits. but does he not comment on kashaf in that awful scene in the librry. what had she worn / done to deserve that rubbish. also later in the serial his attitude with that Osama issue is highly stupid.

I really wish the director had sorted and closed this issue . it would have literally made this serial perfect.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Zaroons character is on more realistic line. They have tone down his male chuverism comparing to real life how men think. In later part of show he even says that he belives its mans world. Its based on a novel and the author has tried to keep the charecter as real as possible. I liked his charecter coz they have not tried to suger coat him like other shows where male lead can do nothing wrong. As if hr is ram incarnated in real life. I like grey shades and real charecters. One who mistakes, are sorry, try to rectify and learn from there mistakes.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: LOLitaPawar

This is probably going to be a very unpopular opinion,bear with me.

May be his views are realistic,it is not entirely safe to be out of the house at 2 or 3 am.I totally get his anger when his fiancee does not even bother telling him that she is going to some other country with her friends.His mother's lecture on him being a man from the stone age was not required at all when he merely said that she could have told him before going to that conference of hers!

But what IS too headstrong and too liberal,really?He said he does not like any woman who is too headstrong or liberal,its like he has this fixed image of an ideal woman in his mind...and sexism is not only about seeing the other gender lesser than yours,it also constitutes of stereotyping.

He seems to have a problem that his mom does not cook herself,that her sister does not know how to fix a shirt,he complains that nobody(that is a woman) checks when clothes come back from laundry,but he can try to handle these things too right?At least when it comes to his clothes,its not as if his mom sits idle all day.

It seems to me that even though Zaroon respects women and does not want a weak wife who has no personality he still does not think that a wife is completely equal to a husband...the difference between the status of a husband and a wife might be less in his mind but its there IMO.He is not the biggest sexist out there but he still is one.


Originally posted by: bips

rafiya is not a headstrong woman. she is a woman who is undoubtedly strong to make the best out of a situation but she takes all kind of shit from her husband. even her marital advice to kashaf is mostly annoying

zaroons mother worked. so yes she gave him less time. but did he ever ask the same ques from his dad? why didn't you give us time. no. even today he says that he thinks that women should do all the work of the house.

this superwoman concept has damaged women more than any regressive stand. we are expected to be good at everything . men just need to go out and earn.

he has a problem with his fiance hanging out late with other guys. but he has no problem hanging out with other girls till late. are they not someone else's sister/ daughter? he says he dies not want guys to comment on his wife bec of her dress or habits. but does he not comment on kashaf in that awful scene in the librry. what had she worn / done to deserve that rubbish. also later in the serial his attitude with that Osama issue is highly stupid.

I really wish the director had sorted and closed this issue . it would have literally made this serial perfect.


I agree with both these posts above. Also in Gazala's favour, of her being a neglecting parent, because she gave priority to her career, it is bad direction which really doesn't bring it out. If she was only involved in her career, I can assure you the following would have never happened:
1)Zaroon was very well behaved and respectful. Even Rafiya commented about his upbringing.
2) When Zaroon was restless because he wanted to speak to Kashaf after Abrar broached the topic of marriage to her, he wanted to speak to his mother and was saying that 7 days were too long
3) The family had meals together.
SOrry but these are signs of a close knitted family. So in this part, Gazala was shown as a frivolous character only with dialogues in some scenes. It wasn't developed properly, and this was because of bad screenplay or poor direction.

Where Zaroon is concernced, again his being conservative, and his thoughts had no link because of poor direction.
1) He wants a woman to be homebound with cooking, sewing, no socializing, coming home early, someone who is "obedient" and listens to him.
2) He didn't know anything about Kashaf when he fell in love with her, but put her on a pedestal with qualities of being an "ideal wife" That was more of what he wanted, it seems.
3)He is so unreasonable with the Osama issue later, and at the end of it, he says that was not the issue.
4) He is a man with double standards.
Just copy pasting my reply from another post here:

[quote]He's a complete male chauvinist to me. One with double standards.
Being protective about the women he cares for, asking them to be at home at "decent" hours doesn't fall under chauvinism.
What falls under chauvinism is his belief, that he can have a good time, but wants a wife with no past.
Exactly what Kashaf said to Abrar before Zaroon came in to meet her. That why can't she also want a man with a good clean background? How come a man never gives a woman to become a better person after marriage, but the man gets that chance? (what brilliant, completely true to life, food for thought dialogues! Bravo!!!)

These are chauvinistic double standards, that he has, that makes him a total MCP.
He went out for late nights with guys and girls. Those girls were also someone's daughter and sister. Did he not think about what the "servants" (I really dislike using this word) of their houses would think when they got home?
He has a set of standards for himself, and another for others. That's what makes him a chauvinist. [/quote]
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4088369&TPN=2&#109856013

Kashaf, again was a great character. But a result of bad direction made one feel, at the end of it that where did that strong woman go? One who believed that "a woman doesn't need a man in her life to be successful"

ZGH, at the end of it were Zaroon and Kashaf/Fawad and Sanam for me. It was them who made it absolutely fantastic. I really wish the direction was better. It was not good at all. :(
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Respect your opinion but does Kashaf not have opinions or judgement or prejudices where men are concerned??? Was she not insufferably rude to Zaroon in particular just coz he was a man and rich which is no fault of his before all the patao Kashaf bevakoofi of his? So why don't we blame Kashaf for sexism or stereotyping? But we justify it by saying that that is because of her father being an ass and the way her mother suffered and the way she has lived so far right?? So why is it so hard to understand where Zaroon is coming from??

Zaroon never bothered me. Just because his problems or issues were not the focus in the show or Gazala's behavior that bothered him was not exponentially shown does not mean it did not exist. It was shown in the way the kids are, the way Sara was and the way Zaroon viewed women. For a child feeling like he is neglected or not the first priority for his mother stays on for a long time considering the mother keeps behaving like that when he grows up too. Seeing your father being treated like some second class citizen in his house whose opinions and orders are not always respected can do that to a man's opinion for what he wants in his future life and wife. Also as a child when in his school he came across kids whose mothers did stuff for them he did not have that. Does every child not want his mother to be home when he comes from school and feed him. Those things seem small but to a child Zaroon it was a big thing, it left an impression.

Oh come on don't we expect our men to protect us or pamper us and don't we ourselves consider our father's or uncles as the head of the family so WHAT is so wrong in Zaroon thinking like that. There are differences between men and women like Kashaf said yesterday "tarazu ke 2 paldo par rakho to shayad mard aur aurat ki barabari kabhi nahi ho sakti aaur main aisi barabari chahti bhi nahi"
So not every woman wants that exact equality in every single thing between men and women. Some women like to have the option of after having kids staying at home and making them their first priority and the men to be the money makers. My mother had no such option after Daddy died but if she did I am sure she would have wanted to do the same. For e.g. Maternity leaves aurtein leti hai mard nahi, so there cannot be that super equality ever between man and woman. That is reality and trust me it does not always suck 😆

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Posted: 11 years ago
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@bips If Rafiya was not headstrong she would never have been able to do the things she did without patidev ka permission. Just because she did not deal with situations like a bull in a china shop does not mean she is not a headstrong woman who got her daughters studying where she wanted them to and who got them married where she felt was right without paying attention to what her husband thought. Every good mother gives their daughter's advice to "make a home" and not to "break a home". Yesterday my own mother started saying "Jeannie now you need to learn how to make rotis or I will have to gift you a rotimaker" 😆 like my hubby is gonna starve if I feed him India shaped rotis and not chaudhvi ka chaand shaped ones 😆

Can you explain that to a child ki "baccha tu amir hai par teri Maa kaam karti hai, as equality to women it is her right ki usko kaam karna hai to woh kare". After explaining will that child understand all this?? That his mother even though she does not have to chooses to work rather than being with her kids???? Feminism ko motherhood mein naa daalo, it never works. We admire ZGH so much coz it is so realistic in its portrayal. Our society WAS such where men work and women take care of the house and kids... the kids around Zaroon had that.
Zaroon says a lot of stuff but can we focus on who he ended up marrying???? Kashaf Murtaza now Junaid. 😃 Kashaf is a strong, independent working woman with her own opinions and her own mind who before marriage was probably polite to him for like 10 secs put together over their acquaintance.

He has a right to tell his mother, his sister, his best friend, his girlfriend and his fiance his opinions or show his cavemangiri... did you want him to tell every girl he came across to not dress a certain way or not to be out so late??? Or was he to become a saint and not to look at girls coz he said so to the women in his life?? 😆 Did he misbehave with or mistreat the women he went out with?? Some men are perpetual flirts Zaroon was one of them in uni and the women liked it too. Kashaf did not and she showed him his place 😆

Kabhi kabar mardo ka nazariya bhi samajhne ki koshish kiya karo, they cant always be wrong u know just because they are not full fledged supporters of equality of women or feminism 😆SPOILER Osama issue "my best friend proposed to my wife before I did, he thought about the woman I love, the woman I married in a romantic way" he got pissed, idiotic I know but well that's his reasoning... Kashaf went and blabbed about it to Sir Abrar a man he really respects who calls him up and questions his intelligence and then he gets more mad and tab tak she gets mad too. The whole issue escalates to more than what it would have been & if even one would have been mature in this or they did not have their issues or egos on high alert they would have talked it out and sorted it which they do after the pregnancy news happens.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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no buddy everyone have to share there opinion & people have different views
zaroon is ok with liberal & headstrong women thats why he married kashaf but his objection is being Too much headstrong or liberal like his mom, sara & asmara thats why zaroon said '' He does not like any woman who is too headstrong or liberal ''
so far the liberal image of the women zaroon saw his mom,sara & asmara he found other party compromising his father spent his whole life compromising , farhan his x brother in law the way sara treated him & he himself was not happy the way asmara neglected him in her decision not even bother to inform him

zaroon is very staright forward & very honest about his likes,dislikes & rights he clearly said '' he don't want a browbeaten wife in the name of marrige not he idealize weak women '' he've no problem with his wife being liberal or headstorng his concern is he don't want to compromise on his rights in the name of women libralism he is not going to take back seat if this happen
although so far nothing happen like this but still he want to make his view clear

i'm watching ZGH first time on zee zindagi haven't watched the upcoming epis on Youtube nor any idea how they'll be but what i found i found so far zaroon a kind of guy he 'll like if he is washing his car & his wife help him but if he is washing his car & his wife come up with a cup of tea he'll love this more becasue thats the love & care the sweet small gestures which were missing in his life
sorry i know very weird example 😆
guys plz do put spoiler alert discussing upcoming epis😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I think Zaroon's characterisation has confused almost all of us...He appears to have a set idea of what an ideal wife should be...
Asmaira came nowhere close to that ideal...From the first they showed that Kashaf had been affected by what her dad had done to them...she was therefore scared of putting her faith in any man...

Zaroon, from an affluent family and having been brought uo in a relatively liberal ambience was still quite conservative in his views of what a wife should be...as he says in yesterday's episode a wife should definitely be strong and not a doormat, but what he was actually against was a woman being too liberal... even with Asmaira that had been the main problem...her going away with friends (male friends) without telling him, etc...he found intolerable...I remember one dialogue where he says that although his mother gives priority to her career yet she has never gone out alone late into the night with friends...I personally think this male-female rights issue is a never-ending topic for discussion and exists in any community...

Kashaf's point was very well put...If 9 out of 10 times a husband wants his wish to be followed, at least 1 out of 10 times a wife's point of view should also be considered...

Not to forget Sara's headstrong behaviour and her total objection to bending and changing her life style led to her divorce...When realisation dawned on her it was already too late..

I personally don't think there is anything wrong in zaroon's characterisation...he is simply shown as a confused character, having set ideas and not willing to compromise... in fact that's precisely what his mum said...you won't be able to understand and compromise and for that reason she was skeptical of the marriage succeeding...

If it is true that Zaroon-Kashap do separate it will be because of their different mind-setsand the reluctance of both to bend...

Sorry if I have offended anyone...but these are simply my view-points...

Overall a lovely show...a must watch for all couples...so that they can learn to understand their partners...

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