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Posted: 9 years ago
#81
Yes, that was comic, perhaps unintentionally so. And he is also inviting his Khan Baba to lend an ear to the call from Amer!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

In epi 2, I loved the scene when Jalal says that Amer is calling out to him n it was actually Jo who was on a cursing spree 😆, calling out for Jalal's head...

I liked the directorial "intended" pun here...😉

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Posted: 9 years ago
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@blue. The last scene with Sharifuddin, perhaps, but not the joothi one. And the punishment would have been standard in those days, but I was somewhat taken aback by the guillotine!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A



I wish the serial were retelecast after sometime so that we might have shaken off the buddhuram image by then and the 'i'm breathing b'cos of you' chants and the general bhajans wouldn't be bajaoing in our ears in the background.

Epi: 2 was good too. Mainavati was at her hyper best. 😆 Shaggu too was okay. ( again the image of the pumpkin looking shaggu image of laboni track came to my mind...) Shaggu was doing her best to shoot Hypervati's hypertension. 'Today she will hear about her future for the first time.'

In the leg cutting scene and the last one, i felt that Jalal was behaving cruelly to win the approval of Khan baba and to please him. Like a student who looks up to his teacher for a nod while reciting a poem. Cruelty was not his nature.

Begumsa was into naari shakthi since episode 2...😆...only that these naari shakthi dialogues were more appropriate than the mismatched stuff dished out to poor toddy.

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Posted: 9 years ago
#83
Mandy my dear,

How lyrical you sound! Aapka to sufiyana andaz hai. Your comments elevate my writing. Thank you!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza


shyamala, how beautifully you have written rooh ki baatien..the beauty of that scene is, even though it is not akbar's tomb from inside it looks like salim chishti's dargah as akbar's kabar is made of white marbel and majestically stands in the middle of the huge tomb, the beauty is that it is history and it happened app 450 years ago..here is a shahenshah and a km away is his wife resting who was also the mother of his heir, and as per many they did share a special bond...now that feel and that nostalgia is enough to make one have goose bumps!..and then on top of that rajat's romantic soft voice and when he says tum to aaine main khud ko dekh rahi ho and how beautifully you explained the depth of that line which was enough to move me to tears...

aaj tak koi bhi ishq ki gehraaiyon ko samajh nahin paya hai..jab koi insaan apne aap ko parm aatma ko samarpan kar deta hai to wo mastaana ho jaata hai aur issi deewangi ko ishq kehte hain...and here when jodha looks in the mirror she is not looking at herself she is looking at her param aatma, her owner to whom she has submitted herself...


Roohon ki baatein: The voices were softer than at any other time in such scenes shown later, and Jalal's was almost unrecognizably gentle. His Jodha, without the Begum, pleased me inordinately, as also that, in a charming contrast with his irritating habit later, he does not add Jodha Begum in every sentence he utters, as if he was in danger of forgetting her name!😉

Now where do you suppose this scene in Hamara maqbara ,as Jodha puts it, is situated? The opening line, by Jalal, is Tum yahan kya kar rahi ho, Jodha?, and she responds Aapko dekhne aayi hoon! Which would put it at Sikandra, Akbar's mausoleum, which seems to be in remarkably good shape, and not in Jodha's 1 km or so away.

There is a lovely, throwaway line from Jalal next, Tum to khudh ko aaine mein dekh rahi ho! It has deep, romantic implications, for she has come to see him, but now she looks in her mirror. Where she sees, not herself, but him, for he is part of her, indeed more. He is woven into the warp and woof of her being, and as Harry Potter when he looks into the Mirror of Erised, Jodha looks into her aaina, and she sees her heart's deepest desire, Jalal. It is an intensely moving line, but I wonder how many who watched it really grasped its true significance.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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My dear Devki,

Your comments have the same energy and intensity as Jodha's Kali Maa ki aarti, and I am very pleased that you wrote in. And also that you liked this post so much.

Now go and see if you like the one of Episode 2 on page 10 above as well. It reflects a considerably modified view of the episode as compared to what I felt about it in June 2013.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: devkidmd

Beautiful analysis of episode1 Shyamala aunty! thanks for the

PM.
What I liked the most about your take is your description of the Makbara scene. Just loved it! You made it sound so much more romantic and deep.
The actor playing BK is a good choice. The cold menacing drawl and the brooding intensity in his eyes is a deadly combination. He (BK)is definitely not someone to mess with. 🤢
I personally liked Jo's entry a lot. Loved the dash across the mahal to save the kabootar, but like many here I too am a little perplexed about how the heck did the thing fly away when it was falling down due to injury in the first place? 😲But that apart, the cross mahal run had a flourish and romance to it with the flying dupatta and all the ranis, behenas, daasis running behind her trying to intercept her high speed marathon.😆
Jodha looks so beautiful, pure and innocent but at the same time exudes confidence and high self esteem.
The fact that she has never even heard of Jalaluddin Mohammad up until the temple incident tells us how sheltered and protected her life has been thus far. I am already feeling sorry for her😭
The contrasts between Jodha and Jalal's lives has been portrayed very nicely. She growing up in the warm cocoon of her family never short of love and affection while he has had his hands stained by blood in battle at the tender age of 14, almost growing up on the battlefield with a father figure like BK.
And of course dear dear Jalal who looks so hot, sexy and handsome, enough to make all ladies from 18 to 88 melt.
His lonely canter/gallop across the battlefield without any protection was probably to highlight his bravery and fearlessness 😃
Last but not the least, the Jai kali aarthi. There is so much energy and passion in it. It is hard for me not to stand up, sway and sing along.😊😊
A really interesting episode.
Devki

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thank you so much Sri. Now go and see if you like the next one, on page 10 above, as well. It represents a considerably modified take on this episode as compared to what I felt about it in June 2013. See if you agree with me.

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02

Very nice analysis - Liked the special bit about Bairam Khan b'coz he was absolutely fantastic throughout his stay in JA.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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No, no, my dear Munni, you are not late at all. I am happy that you liked this first post, and now see if you like my retake on Episode 2, on page 10 above, which is quite different from what I felt about it in June 2013!

I must also congratulate you on the magnificent photos of Rajat that you have shared with us. They are truly a treat!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: munnirony

thnks for the pm aunty & srry for the late reply. honestly, had almost left the forum but will contribute for u & of course my bro rajat. ur analysis is as brilliant as ever & u had actually written exactly wht i felt watching the 1st episode.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nor do I, understand this ahimsa piffle, I mean. It is there all over TV, you should see Devi Dharma, Ashoka's ahimsawaadi mother, in that serial. She would wear off all your tooth enamel.😡😡

Ekta is just incapable of comprehending the depth and complexity of a magnificent ruler and near mystic like Akbar. She operated, sadly for us, at her own level, and what we got was a Jodha Nama.

As for your closing lines on Akbar, they are just perfect.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: adiana12

Shyamala just as many show a great scorn to money so also they show scorn to the warrior's sword and the blood it draws - I seriously don't understand this holier than thou attitude - Akbar was not the first to have the desire to expand - we have Ashoka, Raja Raja Chola, Kanishka.

As for this show - its one single saving grace is Rajat - at the very start EK has called the Mughals as paapis who need to be sudharoed by Begumsa - Someone shd tell EK and her avid viewers who swallowed every thing that she dished out as the gospel truth that there are no black and white in life however much many may want it - Life is a Rainbow with a multitude of colours of every hue - and Akbar had all the hues of all the colors in him like all other legends who came before and after him - that is why they are legends.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yes Yes absolutely Shyamala! Please do continue to pm me. I may not rewatch but I love reading your posts. Some of your lines read like sheer poetry. I will relive my memories of JA through your POV which is always refreshing and not to mention astute. Sometimes your version presents itself better than the actual episode itself.
PS. My trip to Sikandra was a pilgramage for me as well. And yes Akbar planned his tomb before his death. Apparently his original design was even more radical, but Jehangir had some of it modified and tried to give it a slightly more " orthodox" look ( what a pity). But Jehangir did bury Akbar just as the latter desired...with the head of his tomb facing "East" or facing the sun ( as Akbar was a sun worshiper) as apposed all the Mughal Emperors before and after him whose tombs face west.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Very nicely analysed Aunty! Violence strategic and violence tactical. I didn't see it from this POV. I thought that the scenes were added to reinforce Jallad Jalal. But after reading your post, the scenes make more sense.
Actually, I wouldn't have minded more scenes of kauf-e-Jalal in place of Om Puri's voice-over.

I liked the Jalal-Sharifuddin scene more than the Dargah scene on first viewing. But I liked both though. I felt that Rajat's sneer was OTT. But he definitely toned it down in the later episodes where his eyes conveyed the sneer more effectively. Inspite of his height, Jalal towers over the giant Shariffudin with his attitude. And that is the power of Rajat's immense talent. You could really feel the khauf that Jalal conveyed without having to wait for Shariffuddin's reaction.

I liked Shaguni Bai's scene with Mainavati. Especially the way she builds up hopes in Mainavati (that Jodha's bhagya is star studded and that she'll be the queen of Hindustan) only to bring it down crashing with that one dialogue - Jodha mughalon ke ghar jaayegi. For me this came to be a very memorable dialogue. I liked this lady playing Shaguni Bai. I liked the confidence she has in her predictions, and her complete surrender to the power of bhagya.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Your analysis of the 2nd episode is another one that makes one think. Your interpretation of the episode is so much fun to read.
My observations-
1 Your deduction that all this fury shown by Jalal is a calculated measure to keep his opponents off guard and the people to want to fear him, I agree with you. This is what a king does, he keeps his underlings on their toes, always keeps them guessing. And mind you in those times this was essential, if one of those followers ever got the courage to oppose him, he faced the danger of losing not just his life but the lives of everyone he has ever loved.

And fear is a quicker method to keep a population in check, than love and trust. Akbar tried all of those. Used fear first and then love.

I miss Abdul in the later episodes. He is smart and a good listener. What a great sounding board he could have been for Jalal later when Jodha started getting all the credit. They could have shown Jalal confiding in his closest friend, that the situation was well in control and then they could have let Jodha take all the credit.

As for Rajat, what a performance. Considered over a stretch of episodes, this is the closest to the real Akbar, that he will ever get. The mannerisms, the way of speaking, the body posture, the expressions are all as I expect the real Akbar to behave.


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