Yudh 8: A cat and mouse game

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Folks,

I am sorry to be so late, but at least I am in good time for Episode 9!

Now this one looks, at first sight, like a purely kidnappers vs victim plot, but in fact it is much more than that, thanks to the 3 principal players - Gopal, Yudh, and Rishi. Each of them plays a cat and mouse game with his opponents, and at times successfully, at times apparently successfully but with unexpected losses , and at time disastrously. In this sense, Episode 8 looks more and more like a textbook case study in negotiations with terrorists holding a hostage. Let us take these three one by one and see how their moves pan out.

Gopal: Now all professional negotiators in such cases need to have a link with the kidnappers if they are to be effective, and they also need to retain the confidence of the police and the victim's family if they are to be as long lasting as Gopal seems to have been. But the word Janus-faced, or dogula, seems to have been made for him. He is devious with a capital D, and as cunning as they make them. He knows how to play the cat and mouse game expertly. How to soften up a city slicker like Yudh, stage by careful stage, the way a bakra is got ready to be sacrificed.

So, after they get the first set of conditions, all of which are basically for the protection of the environment and for the benefit of the adivasis living in the area, Gopal insists that Yudh should not give in, as this would only lead to even more demands. When Anand suggests that they ask for proof that Rishi is alive, and they then watch the video, Gopal is quick to praise Taruni warmly for backing his position that they should wait a bit longer.

Next, when the announcement of a reward, and activating all the police informers, produces no result, he starts backtracking, lamenting that he knew none of this would work, though it was he who had been assiduously advocating delaying tactics. He does this so as to push the already tense Yudh towards capitulation, and the acceptance of the first set of demands, but not without preserving his mask of firmness.

So he reaffirms, as soon as Yudh announces that he would accept all the demands of the AILF (probably All India Left Front), that it would be a wrong move. He then achieves what he had really wanted all along- an explosive statement from an exasperated Yudh that all he wanted was to save his son, and he would go ahead.

This last bit, of Yudh roaring at Gopal from 3 feet way, was vintage Amitabh, the only thing missing being catching Gopal by the collar!

Now, the AILF, as soon as the news of Yudh's acceptance of their demands is announced over the radio, move to get the clearance of their Central Committee for going ahead and releasing Rishi as soon as their terms have been implemented in practice. There is NO indication, in the conversation between the young woman cadre and her senior, about any demand for a cash ransom.

But what does Gopal do? He takes advantage of the delay (caused by this appeal to the Central Committee), and turns up at the guest house, announcing an additional demand for Ra, 20 crores. No piece of paper from the AILF this time, be it noted, only a verbal statement by Gopal, obviously a fake one. He intends to take a cut from this ransom amount, and counts on the AILF being too pleased with their share of the booty to reprimand or punish him for milking Yudh for this amount.

Only, he underestimates Yudh. It is not clear whether Yudh distrusts Gopal, but in any case, he digs his heels in and makes the counter offer: the 20 crores or the original list of demands but not both. Now see what Gopal, the longstanding advocate of firmness and holding out against the AILF in the negotiations, has to say. Beta hai aapka.. aap galti kar rahe hain, bahut badi galti... Hardly what you would expect from a hard-nosed, evenhanded negotiator! But then Gopal, who could not care two hoots about the environment or the adivasis, sees the only thing he cares about, the moolah, slipping thru his fingers, and he tries desperately to retain some of it. He fails.

When, after Rishi has been rescued, Gopal is told by the AILF that there was no 20 crores as announced by Yudh, he has to pretend that there had never been any such demand. If he had got hold of that amount, and given it, minus his cut, to the AILF, they would have excused him for making that cash demand in their name without their permission. But not now, when they have no ransom in their coffers, plus they have lost face vis a vis the public. So Gopal has to find an escape route, which is to swear vengeance against Yudh for double crossing them all, and then prove his bonafides to the AILF by setting off that blast in the mine.

Gopal is so callous that the lives of the 16 miners who might have all died in the blast, and are in any cases injured, some seriously, do not matter to him at all. But in the end, his cat and mouse game gets him nowhere, for he has nothing to show for his machinations except the dubious pleasure of seeing Yudh & Co. struggle to cope with the aftermath of the blast.

Yudh: After 4 decades of playing macho men who were strong thru and thru, who would never bend in the face of adversity, Amitabh Bachchan now brings alive the conflicted, uncertain and confused Yudh - totally unfamiliar territory for him - to perfection.

Yudh can dominate the corporate world in Delhi, but here he is operating on completely unfamiliar terrain, distraught by what has happened to his son, with shadowy enemies whom he cannot get hold of, and pulled this way and that way by the police, Gopal and Nayantara, with only Taruni as a stable and sensible support. No wonder that to begin with, he is disoriented, physically, emotionally and mentally, and not at the top of his game.

Still, after giving in, first to Gopal and the police when he agrees to wait till that evening, and then to his own desperate need to get his son back by accepting the list of AILF conditions, Yudh comes into his own, without warning, when Gopal trots out the fake 20 crore supplementary demand. He senses that something is very fishy, and that he cannot go along with these new demands no matter how much Nayantara pleads that he should. He then follows his gut instinct in making his counter offer, the money or the first set of demands, but not both.

Yudh has started playing his own cat and mouse game, with Gopal more than with the AILF (though he probably does not see this clearly as yet).

The same gut instinct, and his respect for Taruni's good judgment, lead to Yudh, after seeing what Rishi had to say to them in the video, getting the adivasi boys released , by doing which he in effect saves Rishi.

Boxed in by various objections to the simpler suggestions as to how to account for Rishi's escape, Yudh continues the cat and mouse game with the AILF by making the fake announcement of a 20 crore ransom having been paid. He wants the AILF to lose face vis a vis the janata, but he forgets about Gopal, and his foxy move literally explodes in his face.

Also, I was surprised at Yudh announcing this (fake) ransom payment in public without a care as to the legal repercussions. It is a crime to pay ransom to a terrorist outfit, which is why such payments to the Naxalites are always kept confidential and never made public. I would have expected someone like Anurag Kashyap to be more careful about such details!

I loved the way in which Yudh is initially bewildered by the sudden mine disaster, and makes pointless long term suggestions to a desperate Anand, who is clamouring for medicines and doctors, about opening a hospital for the mine workers. It made him look human, and vulnerable. But the old steel shone bright once more when he tells the angry miners that far from their going on strike, it was he who was going to close down the operations and institute an enquiry, apart from getting the necessary safety measures in place.

Rishi: His is the carefree cat and mouse game of a boy striving all the time to outwit his captors. Rishi is never afraid of them or of what they might do to him, and he seems to treat the whole kidnapping episode as a kind of competition, at which he has to see how he can trip up those holding him captive. He jokes all the time, especially at the expense of the young woman, and his escape is a piece of pure boyish daredevilry. As is the episode with the snake, where he is more intent on saving her from the snake than in pushing her aside and hollering to the passing police van.

Because he lacks the deadly seriousness necessary to win at this sort of game, Rishi would never have done it but for his two young adivasi friends. But the gods sometimes favour the good at heart, and so Rishi's easygoing friendship with his cricket team pays off for him, unexpectedly and in full measure.

No wonder that Anand remarks to Yudh that whether his son understands business or not, he has the dil jeetne ka talent . Incidentally, as I did wrt Episode 1, I goofed up here after a first viewing - I somehow thought that the person referred to was Taruni, not Rishi. Mea culpa, Sandhya my pet!

The slow smile, of pride and pleasure, on Taruni's face as Anand praised Rishi was wonderful to behold. Also superb, and infinitely touching, was the sight of Yudh and Nayantara sitting in front of the screen watching and rewatching Rishi's video, hands outstretched as if they would touch and caress his face.

Incidentally, the rescue scene itself was badly handled and hard to understand, what with the pitch darkness and the lack of clarity - all too common a failing in Yudh - in the spoken words. There can be such a thing as too much realism!

The AILF : They seemed to be far less harsh in their handling of Rishi, and far less ruthless in the aftermath of his escape, than one would have expected from such an extremist outfit. In the latter case, at least a couple of the cadres would have been shot summarily for dereliction of duty and sheer incompetence.

As for the Nandita Das look alike, I am glad this is not a regular soap, otherwise we would have had Rishi serenading her in the jungles!😉 Jokes apart, I am sure she is not going to vanish so soon. Maybe Rishi will insist on staying put and managing the mines, with the evident possibilities that would open up for a mildly romantic angle!

Taruni: She is cool, collected and competent all thru, as always. Her watchful solicitude for her father, and her efficiency in tackling that sudden fit of disorientation in Yudh (the Joker this time seems to be just a reflection of Yudh's state of mind) move even the hitherto hostile Nayantara to gratitude and a grudging kind of acceptance from then on, which must have been strengthened by Taruni's immediate diagnosis that there was no fear of Rishi suffering from pneumonia. I had, as you would have seen from my last post, anticipated this when I wrote:

I suspect that for all her animosity towards Taruni, when the going gets really rough with the Naxalites, it is to her that Nayantara will turn for support and strength.

Nor was I surprised at Taruni taking charge of the caring for the wounded miners, despite the callous lethargy of the rescue staff , the shortage of medicines and even of transport for the injured. She is a doer, who will plough ahead heedless of the obstacles.

Yudh's odd offer: But from that to accepting Yudh's somewhat strange offer that she stay on there and run the hospital for the miners and their families is too much of a leap even for Taruni to take. Moreover, it made no sense from Yudh's point of view either . He wants her to be with him in his last few years of life, plus he wants to use her talent as the CEO of Shanti Constructions. Why then does he ask her to stay put with his mining company? It is not even clear if Rishi is going to continue as the CEO of the Shanti Mining Company.

The mystery of the missing medical report: Which is no longer missing, which is the real problem for Taruni. As she hands it to her father, having found it on his desk the day Rishi was kidnapped, she seems to be hovering between dawning distrust and persisting trust in him, whereas he reacts, naturally, with an astonished Kya??

Apart from the key issue of her trust in him, or the lack of it, which will be crucial for Yudh's bond with his daughter, there are other questions that pop up.

Someone has clearly placed that report, extracted from Dr. Mehra's crashed car, on Yudh's desk after he had left his office and before Taruni was ushered into his room.

1) How did that person know that Taruni was going to come there then? He/she must have been right there in the office to be able to do it after she turned up unexpectedly.

2) How did he/she know that Yudh had told Cindy to ask Taruni to look at some of the files on his desk? If he had not said that, Taruni would never have gone near his desk at all, not to speak of reading any of the files there. Now this means that the either the file was put there by Cindy, or by someone who heard her tell Taruni that her father had wanted her to look at the files. I would plump for Cindy.

(The absent) Mona: As I had noted the last time, I do not have much sympathy to spare for Mona, whose lack of judgment and clear thinking have landed her in the mess where she is now. For me , that was the most disheartening part of the previous episode: the sheer lack of commonsense and guts even in a modern professional woman.

Now that she has landed Shanti Constructions in a dangerous position, with sensitive information in Kapil's hands (one at least hopes that she has had the sense to encrypt the files, and to have a strong password for the laptop and then for the documents), what does she and what does Anand propose to do about it?

In their place, I would have asked that troubleshooter of theirs, Dabra (?) to catch Kapil, have 3 thugs crowd him, put a gun to his head and get the laptop and the mobile back. It is the only effective course of action, and it is not as though they do not use such strong arm methods; they did it with Rahul Sharma.

But as it is, Anand does not seem to be doing anything but gasp 'What?" , when he hears of this disaster, and then he has to rush off to join Yudh at the mining site.

Question of the day: Mona calls Anand with congratulations about Rishi's rescue even as Yudh & Co. are discussing with the police about how best to word the announcement. How come? Is she telepathic?

Shyamala B.Cowsik
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

I am sorry to be so late, but at least I am in good time for Episode 9!

Now this one looks, at first sight, like a purely kidnappers vs victim plot, but in fact it is much more than that, thanks to the 3 principal players - Gopal, Yudh, and Rishi. Each of them plays a cat and mouse game with his opponents, and at times successfully, at times apparently successfully but with unexpected losses , and at time disastrously. In this sense, Episode 8 looks more and more like a textbook case study in negotiations with terrorists holding a hostage. Let us take these three one by one and see how their moves pan out.

Gopal: Now all professional negotiators in such cases need to have a link with the kidnappers if they are to be effective, and they also need to retain the confidence of the police and the victim's family if they are to be as long lasting as Gopal seems to have been. But the word Janus-faced, or dogula, seems to have been made for him. He is devious with a capital D, and as cunning as they make them. He knows how to play the cat and mouse game expertly. How to soften up a city slicker like Yudh, stage by careful stage, the way a bakra is got ready to be sacrificed.

So, after they get the first set of conditions, all of which are basically for the protection of the environment and for the benefit of the adivasis living in the area, Gopal insists that Yudh should not give in, as this would only lead to even more demands. When Anand suggests that they ask for proof that Rishi is alive, and they then watch the video, Gopal is quick to praise Taruni warmly for backing his position that they should wait a bit longer.

Next, when the announcement of a reward, and activating all the police informers, produces no result, he starts backtracking, lamenting that he knew none of this would work, though it was he who had been assiduously advocating delaying tactics. He does this so as to push the already tense Yudh towards capitulation, and the acceptance of the first set of demands, but not without preserving his mask of firmness.

So he reaffirms, as soon as Yudh announces that he would accept all the demands of the AILF (probably All India Left Front), that it would be a wrong move. He then achieves what he had really wanted all along- an explosive statement from an exasperated Yudh that all he wanted was to save his son, and he would go ahead.

This last bit, of Yudh roaring at Gopal from 3 feet way, was vintage Amitabh, the only thing missing being catching Gopal by the collar!

Now, the AILF, as soon as the news of Yudh's acceptance of their demands is announced over the radio, move to get the clearance of their Central Committee for going ahead and releasing Rishi as soon as their terms have been implemented in practice. There is NO indication, in the conversation between the young woman cadre and her senior, about any demand for a cash ransom.

But what does Gopal do? He takes advantage of the delay (caused by this appeal to the Central Committee), and turns up at the guest house, announcing an additional demand for Ra, 20 crores. No piece of paper from the AILF this time, be it noted, only a verbal statement by Gopal, obviously a fake one. He intends to take a cut from this ransom amount, and counts on the AILF being too pleased with their share of the booty to reprimand or punish him for milking Yudh for this amount.

Only, he underestimates Yudh. It is not clear whether Yudh distrusts Gopal, but in any case, he digs his heels in and makes the counter offer: the 20 crores or the original list of demands but not both. Now see what Gopal, the longstanding advocate of firmness and holding out against the AILF in the negotiations, has to say. Beta hai aapka.. aap galti kar rahe hain, bahut badi galti... Hardly what you would expect from a hard-nosed, evenhanded negotiator! But then Gopal, who could not care two hoots about the environment or the adivasis, sees the only thing he cares about, the moolah, slipping thru his fingers, and he tries desperately to retain some of it. He fails.

When, after Rishi has been rescued, Gopal is told by the AILF that there was no 20 crores as announced by Yudh, he has to pretend that there had never been any such demand. If he had got hold of that amount, and given it, minus his cut, to the AILF, they would have excused him for making that cash demand in their name without their permission. But not now, when they have no ransom in their coffers, plus they have lost face vis a vis the public. So Gopal has to find an escape route, which is to swear vengeance against Yudh for double crossing them all, and then prove his bonafides to the AILF by setting off that blast in the mine.

Gopal is so callous that the lives of the 16 miners who might have all died in the blast, and are in any cases injured, some seriously, do not matter to him at all. But in the end, his cat and mouse game gets him nowhere, for he has nothing to show for his machinations except the dubious pleasure of seeing Yudh & Co. struggle to cope with the aftermath of the blast.

Yudh: After 4 decades of playing macho men who were strong thru and thru, who would never bend in the face of adversity, Amitabh Bachchan now brings alive the conflicted, uncertain and confused Yudh - totally unfamiliar territory for him - to perfection.

Yudh can dominate the corporate world in Delhi, but here he is operating on completely unfamiliar terrain, distraught by what has happened to his son, with shadowy enemies whom he cannot get hold of, and pulled this way and that way by the police, Gopal and Nayantara, with only Taruni as a stable and sensible support. No wonder that to begin with, he is disoriented, physically, emotionally and mentally, and not at the top of his game.

Still, after giving in, first to Gopal and the police when he agrees to wait till that evening, and then to his own desperate need to get his son back by accepting the list of AILF conditions, Yudh comes into his own, without warning, when Gopal trots out the fake 20 crore supplementary demand. He senses that something is very fishy, Yes Yudh from this point on was well able to play the game. It's like he becomes Gopal#2 and when that happens, Gopal better know it. But Gopal original's whole raison d'tre is duplicity and he resents being out played. He's going to dig himself a huge whole. Can't help himself. and that he cannot go along with these new demands no matter how much Nayantara pleads that he should. He then follows his gut instinct in making his counter offer, the money or the first set of demands, but not both.

Yudh has started playing his own cat and mouse game, with Gopal more than with the AILF (though he probably does not see this clearly as yet). You think so? With Amitabh, even this isn't certain.

The same gut instinct, and his respect for Taruni's good judgment, lead to Yudh, after seeing what Rishi had to say to them in the video, getting the adivasi boys released , by doing which he in effect saves Rishi.

Boxed in by various objections to the simpler suggestions as to how to account for Rishi's escape, Yudh continues the cat and mouse game with the AILF by making the fake announcement of a 20 crore ransom having been paid. He wants the AILF to lose face vis a vis the janata, but he forgets about Gopal, and his foxy move literally explodes in his face.

Also, I was surprised at Yudh announcing this (fake) ransom payment in public without a care as to the legal repercussions. It is a crime to pay ransom to a terrorist outfit, which is why such payments to the Naxalites are always kept confidential and never made public. I would have expected someone like Anurag Kashyap to be more careful about such details! Either that or Yudh is above the law...but still... now that you've pointed this out to me ... tch tch tch!

I loved the way in which Yudh is initially bewildered I was a bit non-plussed by his bewilderment. Being in mining, isn't adivasi issues a constant? by the sudden mine disaster, and makes pointless long term suggestions Yes I thought he had lost his marbles for a minute. But then I think he juggles so many plans in his head and seems to compartmentalize well. Also, with time running out for him, he has to multi-task and construct his legacy before leaves.to a desperate Anand, who is clamouring for medicines and doctors, about opening a hospital for the mine workers. It made him look human, and vulnerable. But the old steel shone bright once more when he tells the angry miners that far from their going on strike, it was he who was going to close down the operations and institute an enquiry, apart from getting the necessary safety measures in place.

Rishi: His is the carefree cat and mouse game of a boy striving all the time to outwit his captors. Rishi is never afraid of them or of what they might do to him, and he seems to treat the whole kidnapping episode as a kind of competition, at which he has to see how he can trip up those holding him captive. He jokes all the time, especially at the expense of the young woman, and his escape is a piece of pure boyish daredevilry. As is the episode with the snake, where he is more intent on saving her from the snake than in pushing her aside and hollering to the passing police van.

Because he lacks the deadly seriousness necessary to win at this sort of game, Rishi would never have done it but for his two young adivasi friends. But the gods sometimes favour the good at heart, and so Rishi's easygoing friendship with his cricket team pays off for him, unexpectedly and in full measure.

No wonder that Anand remarks to Yudh that whether his son understands business or not, he has the dil jeetne ka talent . Incidentally, as I did wrt Episode 1, I goofed up here after a first viewing - I somehow thought that the person referred to was Taruni, not Rishi. Mea culpa, Sandhya my pet!

The slow smile, of pride and pleasure, on Taruni's face as Anand praised Rishi was wonderful to behold. Also superb, and infinitely touching, was the sight of Yudh and Nayantara sitting in front of the screen watching and rewatching Rishi's video, hands outstretched as if they would touch and caress his face.

Incidentally, the rescue scene itself was badly handled and hard to understand, what with the pitch darkness and the lack of clarity - all too common a failing in Yudh - in the spoken words. There can be such a thing as too much realism! Oh it was just as bad on my laptop. Glad to know it was the same on tv.

The AILF : They seemed to be far less harsh in their handling of Rishi, and far less ruthless in the aftermath of his escape, than one would have expected from such an extremist outfit. In the latter case, at least a couple of the cadres would have been shot summarily for dereliction of duty and sheer incompetence.

As for the Nandita Das look alike, I am glad this is not a regular soap, otherwise we would have had Rishi serenading her in the jungles!😉 Jokes apart, I am sure she is not going to vanish so soon. Maybe Rishi will insist on staying put and managing the mines, with the evident possibilities that would open up for a mildly romantic angle!

Taruni: She is cool, collected and competent all thru, as always. Her watchful solicitude for her father, and her efficiency in tackling that sudden fit of disorientation in Yudh (the Joker this time seems to be just a reflection of Yudh's state of mind) move even the hitherto hostile Nayantara to gratitude and a grudging kind of acceptance from then on, which must have been strengthened by Taruni's immediate diagnosis that there was no fear of Rishi suffering from pneumonia. I had, as you would have seen from my last post, anticipated this when I wrote:

I suspect that for all her animosity towards Taruni, when the going gets really rough with the Naxalites, it is to her that Nayantara will turn for support and strength.

Nor was I surprised at Taruni taking charge of the caring for the wounded miners, despite the callous lethargy of the rescue staff , the shortage of medicines and even of transport for the injured. She is a doer, who will plough ahead heedless of the obstacles.

Yudh's odd offer: But from that to accepting Yudh's somewhat strange offer that she stay on there and run the hospital for the miners and their families is too much of a leap even for Taruni to take. Moreover, it made no sense from Yudh's point of view either . He wants her to be with him in his last few years of life, plus he wants to use her talent as the CEO of Shanti Constructions. Why then does he ask her to stay put with his mining company? It is not even clear if Rishi is going to continue as the CEO of the Shanti Mining Company.

The mystery of the missing medical report: Which is no longer missing, which is the real problem for Taruni. As she hands it to her father, having found it on his desk the day Rishi was kidnapped, she seems to be hovering between dawning distrust and persisting trust in him, whereas he reacts, naturally, with an astonished Kya??

Apart from the key issue of her trust in him, or the lack of it, which will be crucial for Yudh's bond with his daughter, there are other questions that pop up.

Someone has clearly placed that report, extracted from Dr. Mehra's crashed car, on Yudh's desk after he had left his office and before Taruni was ushered into his room.

1) How did that person know that Taruni was going to come there then? He/she must have been right there in the office to be able to do it after she turned up unexpectedly.

2) How did he/she know that Yudh had told Cindy to ask Taruni to look at some of the files on his desk? If he had not said that, Taruni would never have gone near his desk at all, not to speak of reading any of the files there. Now this means that the either the file was put there by Cindy, or by someone who heard her tell Taruni that her father had wanted her to look at the files. I would plump for Cindy.

(The absent) Mona: As I had noted the last time, I do not have much sympathy to spare for Mona, whose lack of judgment and clear thinking have landed her in the mess where she is now. For me , that was the most disheartening part of the previous episode: the sheer lack of commonsense and guts even in a modern professional woman.

Now that she has landed Shanti Constructions in a dangerous position, with sensitive information in Kapil's hands (one at least hopes that she has had the sense to encrypt the files, and to have a strong password for the laptop and then for the documents), what does she and what does Anand propose to do about it?

In their place, I would have asked that troubleshooter of theirs, Dabra (?) to catch Kapil, have 3 thugs crowd him, put a gun to his head and get the laptop and the mobile back. It is the only effective course of action, and it is not as though they do not use such strong arm methods; they did it with Rahul Sharma.

But as it is, Anand does not seem to be doing anything but gasp 'What?" , when he hears of this disaster, and then he has to rush off to join Yudh at the mining site.

Question of the day: Mona calls Anand with congratulations about Rahul's rescue even as Yudh & Co. are discussing with the police about how best to word the announcement. How come? Is she telepathic? Rahul ? or Rishi? and I missed that bit. Mona part of Moriarty's outfit with eyes and ears everywhere?

Shyamala B.Cowsik




Just to shock you, I've posted my thoughts on Yudh the man as seen in episode 8.

http:///www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4111272



Edited by PadBear - 11 years ago
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Dear Aunty,
What a beautiful analysis as always and I really feel delighted at the way you have broken up the parts of the episode to deal with the different issues separately.

The first part dealing with Gopal, Yudh and Rishi...the trio who played a large part in the kidnap drama has been explained with such clarity and I am now sure of all the parts which was earlier bothering me...
Aunty, to me Rishi is the smart one for sure and as they say, he might seem careless and carefree lekin presence of mind usme zaroor hai!!! I loved your little humour about the possible romance we could have in the jungle between the girl and Rishi...😛...had it been a regular soap...

Taruni is level headed, composed and at the same time caring. She is quite impressive in this role and I am going to watch out for this actress in the future!

You really said it...about paying the ransom part...I guess somewhere a father who is emotionally unstable and under severe pressure from all sides...his health, his wife's anguish and of course a little bit of guilt maybe that he had announced Taruni as the next CEO while his son was away...only to find himself in the hands of the kidnappers...though yes, being a serial with a difference one would have expected something exceptional here...

The file...and the person behind it's movement from "missing" to Yudh's table...is what we need to know...

You also have spoken about Anand in the perfect way...maybe we will know a lot more this week!

Thank you so much...I am inactive at the moment but this serial might force me to put up a post or two just because of it's appealing story and Mr Bachchan!
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Thaks for the PM Aunty...and don't worry about being late, your posts are more than worth the wait 😊
One thing is sure that the show will wrap up with many unanswered questions left.

As for Yudh's asking Taruni to look into the upcoming hospital project in the village, i think its only a tactic by him to retain her, persist her for staying up with him...giving her a cause close to her heart, like a dangling carrot to a rabbit.

As for the ransom payment being made public...I love this NR 😉

One thing which disappoints me is not only lack of strategy, but no show of any strategic planning from Yudh's gang to the web in which they are being trapped. Not even an after thought for any kind of strategy 😲

As for me asking for JA scenes write up Aunty, if you feel uneasy doing so, don't do it..."a writer's delight is a reader's delight"...if you're not happy, how can you do justice to your creation.
For me Aunty you write, because you feel happy to write and your this happiness seeps into your readers.
What JA has become is no mystery, and I do still watch it, and yes, Ekta is one helluva of master business woman and she's proved this time and again. But JA is not the only historical to be tampered with, I was watching past season of Reign- a historical on Queen Mary of Scots, with loads of NRs and people on its FB page cursing and bashing the creatives but still watching it, I felt relieved that we are not alone and have an international company of fans to feel our apathy 😆

Regarding lack of audience for Yudh, 10:30 PM slot is not an excuse, because another show on SP, Yeh hain mohabbatein, comes at 11:00 PM slot which is raking high TRP, another Ekta show. The reason is the sensibilities of people Aunty...first its lighting does puts one off, very pessimistic environment feel it gives, looming tragedy, sadness...too realistic feel. Dialogues are not very audible, one has to be very attentive and always on toes to hear it, and one or two miss of scene...the shifting of scene is such, that you've to watch it again as to what happened. No repeats from Sony is also very big reason for not finding enough audience...do't know what kind of strategy is this...the channel is following the marketing of Yudh on lines of parallel cinema and not as that of commercial cinema...even Big B lamented this in one of his interviews.
The channel knows Yudh is not for all, its for a certain niche of audience.
With JA its love-hate relationship.
As for me, I watch both JA and Yudh (which i could've never missed, reason AB, i wanted to see how he'll feel like a Hero on small screen 😳)...both the shows excites and incites me...of course for reasons opposite to each 😆

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Originally posted by: PadBear




Just to shock you, I've posted my thoughts on Yudh the man as seen in episode 8.

http:///www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4111272




@bold Blue : This is Yudh's first time foray into mining, so he's new on this terrain...construction business being his forte.
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Originally posted by: mishtidoi


@bold Blue : This is Yudh's first time foray into mining, so he's new on this terrain...construction business being his forte.


Okay I didn't know that it was his first mine acquisition. But still, wouldn't he know the risks and that this issue is part of the landscape ? Sometimes I think they portray him an absolute megalomaniac with huge blind spots.
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Okay I didn't know that it was his first mine acquisition. But still, wouldn't he know the risks and that this issue is part of the landscape ? Sometimes I think they portray him an absolute megalomaniac with huge blind spots.


That is the whole issue, Yudh is absolutely unfamiliar with the locales, terrains, mentality and issues in the area of his mining field...an inconsistent streak in an astute businessman like him or kind of loophole for the story to proceed, a better NR to swallow 😆
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That is the whole issue, Yudh is absolutely unfamiliar with the locales, terrains, mentality and issues in the area of his mining field...an inconsistent streak in an astute businessman like him or kind of loophole for the story to proceed, a better NR to swallow 😆


😆 NRs here as well. And Reign! Seriously! That show did make me realize that if Mary can have affairs with non-existent step brothers of her fianc then we have to be thankful that JJ are still behaving themselves for now.
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Dear Cuddly Bear and my little Mishti,

This is a mistake in the script. Whenever a businessman or a company bids for a new project, or plans to buy an existing project, they always have a thing called due diligence done by a professional outfit, to check out all the pluses and minuses of the project or the acquisition. It is only after the due diligence has been seen to be satisfactory that they will even put in a bid.

So, the point that Yudh is not familiar with mining is neither here nor there. The risks should have been evaluated by a team of experts, especially since local problems in the mining sector, as for the recent Posco aluminium project in Orissa, are very common and can force closure.

They also show Yudh's office as way too small. His modest house could be a matter or personal taste, but his firm's offices have to be more impressive. They look positively poky, and Yudh's is the smallest desk for the boss man that I have ever seen anywhere in the world.😉

And yes, Cuddly Bear, one has reason to be grateful of the kind of NR favoured for JA, but the sort of adventurous goings on that you have mentioned would, in India, have got Balaji studios burnt down. So we are safe from such muck!

Shyamala/ Aunty


Originally posted by: PadBear


😆 NRs here as well. And Reign! Seriously! That show did make me realize that if Mary can have affairs with non-existent step brothers of her fianc then we have to be thankful that JJ are still behaving themselves for now.

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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Cuddly Bear and my little Mishti,

This is a mistake in the script. Whenever a businessman or a company bids for a new project, or plans to buy an existing project, they always have a thing called due diligence done by a professional outfit, to check out all the pluses and minuses of the project or the acquisition. It is only after the due diligence has been seen to be satisfactory that they will even put in a bid.

So, the point that Yudh is not familiar with mining is neither here nor there. The risks should have been evaluated by a team of experts, especially since local problems in the mining sector, as for the recent Posco aluminium project in Orissa, are very common and can force closure.

They also show Yudh's office as way too small. His modest house could be a matter or personal taste, but his firm's offices have to be more impressive. They look positively poky, and Yudh's is the smallest desk for the boss man that I have ever seen anywhere in the world.😉

And yes, Cuddly Bear, one has reason to be grateful of the kind of NR favoured for JA, but the sort of adventurous goings on that you have mentioned would, in India, have got Balaji studios burnt down. So we are safe from such muck!

Shyamala/ Aunty


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the desk looking small has nothing to do with the boss man's colossal presence? I haven't yet properly eyed it.


but as for not doing due diligence before any acquisition or merger - I'll just take it as another 'mistake' of Yudh's. He seems to be able to live with the consequences.


Shyamala Akka there are other strange things about to happen on JJ to compensate. But let me not bore you with that.

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