How exactly?

I have never even seen Kunal and Vishambhar have a proper conversation together. Then for Vishambhar to say that "Humein Kunal ki soch badalni hai" sounded far from being believable or realistic.

I would also like to add that Abir's Dad did manage to get some sympathy today but he definitely does have a fishy past. Last time around when he was shown he did admit to making certain mistakes and today also Meanu indicated that he had a history of wrongdoings.

If Mehul turns out to be some holier than thou character, there would be lil chance of any conflict for Abir to face. I would rather he grows to understand that his Baba was not so great a man after all. He did have flaws and Meanu wasn't entirely wrong in pushing him away.

Unlike what Abir thinks I don't think that Mehul's presence or influence would do Kunal any good. He's already not in a right state of mind, throwing in Mehul would only end up making him feel further more troubled.

Originally posted by: beguiling

I have never even seen Kunal and Vishambhar have a proper conversation together. Then for Vishambhar to say that "Humein Kunal ki soch badalni hai" sounded far from being believable or realistic.

I would also like to add that Abir's Dad did manage to get some sympathy today but he definitely does have a fishy past. Last time around when he was shown he did admit to making certain mistakes and today also Meanu indicated that he had a history of wrongdoings.

If Mehul turns out to be some holier than thou character, there would be lil chance of any conflict for Abir to face. I would rather he grows to understand that his Baba was not so great a man after all. He did have flaws and Meanu wasn't entirely wrong in pushing him away.

Unlike what Abir thinks I don't think that Mehul's presence or influence would do Kunal any good. He's already not in a right state of mind, throwing in Mehul would only end up making him feel further more troubled.

I think what Abir means ki baba hote to aisa na hota is Kunal ko sirf Meenu Ben ka point of view Mila hai bachpan se and he has Blindly followed her... Agar use baba ka pov milta to usme dusri ko accept krne ki develop hoti.. Like people in joint families are much mature in handling interpersonal relationships than kids growing up in nuclear families

Ab to khair siyappa hi hona hai

Originally posted by: beguiling

I have never even seen Kunal and Vishambhar have a proper conversation together. Then for Vishambhar to say that "Humein Kunal ki soch badalni hai" sounded far from being believable or realistic.

I would also like to add that Abir's Dad did manage to get some sympathy today but he definitely does have a fishy past. Last time around when he was shown he did admit to making certain mistakes and today also Meanu indicated that he had a history of wrongdoings.

If Mehul turns out to be some holier than thou character, there would be lil chance of any conflict for Abir to face. I would rather he grows to understand that his Baba was not so great a man after all. He did have flaws and Meanu wasn't entirely wrong in pushing him away.

Unlike what Abir thinks I don't think that Mehul's presence or influence would do Kunal any good. He's already not in a right state of mind, throwing in Mehul would only end up making him feel further more troubled.

Vishambhar dosent need to have a conversation to understand Kunal, Kunal has already expressed his hatred for Mishti in front of both the families time and again, everyone knows Meenu n Munna hate Mishti because unke ego pe jo chot aayi hai

I also have a feeling abir's baba is not completely white, but he is definitely not that bad as Meenu potrays

You never know, Mehul could be that guiding light for Kunal, his way to wisdoms

I think what Vishambar meant was that what needs to be changed is Kunal's thinking and not Mishti's love. Meaning its foolish to expect Mishti to sacrifice just because Kunal hates her. Rather they should work on changing Kunal's perspective about Mishti. Again, no one really knows the extent of Kunal's hatred or how delusional he is when it comes to Mishti. All their misconceptions will shatter the day the marriage truth comes out.

Regarding baba, I think its either a misunderstanding/a case of baba messing up and Meenu making a mountain out of the issue and making sure he is isolated. I frankly don't mind if baba is also at fault so long as the CVs don't use it to justify Meenu's attitude. In fact, it will work out better if both are at fault and it still does not make baba a bad guy. This way, Abir will understand his mom better and at the same time also bond with his baba.

About your last point, I don't think Abir was talking about the present scenario. What he meant was that if they had their father during their childhood and growing up years, Kunal probably wouldn't have been this messed up. With their father leaving and Abir also leaving on and off whenever he felt overwhelmed, Kunal grew completely dependent of Meenu and his definition of love is just as messed up as her. And Abir overcompensates by babysitting Kunal whenever he is with him which makes Kunal even more of a brat at times. If their father was there, things would have definitely been different. Kunal would have probably got a different perspective, his dad would have probably taught him better things, his mom wouldn't have probably been this bitter and controlling and Abir would have probably been at home a lot more and been more of his elder brother rather than his father. Thats what Abir means when he says things would have been different if baba was with them.

Originally posted by: meen123

hi

I think what Abir means ki baba hote to aisa na hota is Kunal ko sirf Meenu Ben ka point of view Mila hai bachpan se and he has Blindly followed her... Agar use baba ka pov milta to usme dusri ko accept krne ki develop hoti.. Like people in joint families are much mature in handling interpersonal relationships than kids growing up in nuclear families

Ab to khair siyappa hi hona hai

Hi Meen,

Hope you are doing good :)

If Abir's Dad had a history of wrongdoings like what Meanu was suggesting (and he did himself admit to in the last episode he appeared in) am not sure what good nazariya he would have rendered to his children.

It's good if Abir and Kunal didn't have to grow up with the knowledge that their father was a fraud or a cheat.

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Vishambhar dosent need to have a conversation to understand Kunal, Kunal has already expressed his hatred for Mishti in front of both the families time and again, everyone knows Meenu n Munna hate Mishti because unke ego pe jo chot aayi hai

I also have a feeling abir's baba is not completely white, but he is definitely not that bad as Meenu potrays

You never know, Mehul could be that guiding light for Kunal, his way to wisdoms

Oww man I didn't like Mehul at all in that first scene of his where he was dishing out philosophical talks one after another. He made me appreciate how straightforward Meanu is in comparison 😆 But yes today he did seem a lot more humane. I would still like to know exactly what had happened and what he was guilty of.

As for Vishambhar, I was referring to him saying that "they all need to change Kunal's way of thinking" Like err, how you are going to change the mindset of a person you barely speak to.

I don't believe you have to hold a proper conversation with another person in order to judge whether or not a person is correct in the way he thinks or does something. It's as simple as observing someone's actions and deriving conclusions based on those observations.

Kunal and Meenu have time and again given Bade Papa enough reasons to understand who they are as people. Everyone including Varsha know Kunal is egotistic and far from being reasonable enough to be able to listen to a different point of view and understand it. Which is why they keep trying to ensure no one ever crosses them both or upsets them for the smallest of reasons. Otherwise they wouldn't go as far as to ask Mishti and Abir to sacrifice their relationship just because Kunal would throw a sissy fit.

So it comes as no surprise and is completely fair that Bade Papa holds such opinion of Kunal.

Regarding Abir's dad - I don't believe he's completely innocent either but I'm pretty sure he isn't as evil as Meenakshi makes him out to be. It might be a huge misunderstanding that was blown out of proportion, courtesy of Meenakshi Rajvansh's immature and egoistic nature. I am not gonna rule out any possibility right now, including that of him being completely innocent. The character so far hasn't given me a reason to.

However, I would really have a bone to pick with the makers if they turn around and try to sweep away or justify every wrong thing Meenakshi has done so far by blaming the apparent "betrayal".

Abir has always believed that Kunal would have not turned out the way he has if Abir's dad was around to teach him another way of looking at the world. So I can understand why Abir thinks it would be better if he got his father back. He believes Kunal would be able to learn to think outside the box that Meenu has built for him, if someone could show him how to. He wasn't able to do it but he hopes his father might be able to, the same way he was able to show him.

Of course Abir doesn't know like we do that his father might end up bringing back and revealing a lot of secrets that can threaten to break the Rajvansh family including Abir and Kunal. That's on makers and how they decided to handle it. Still think it's a great track with a lot of potential. Looking forward to it

Originally posted by: beguiling

Oww man I didn't like Mehul at all in that first scene of his where he was dishing out philosophical talks one after another. He made me appreciate how straightforward Meanu is in comparison 😆 But yes today he did seem a lot more humane. I would still like to know exactly what had happened and what he was guilty of.

As for Vishambhar, I was referring to him saying that "they all need to change Kunal's way of thinking" Like err, how you are going to change the mindset of a person you barely speak to.

Haha, Mehul is a normal human I am happy, infact I will be more than happy if they keep him a little flawed ... That's the speciality of every character in this story...they have their own set of flaws ..some more some less

Well it's from both sides , BP kunsl dont really interact on that levels like the way BP and Abir do, Kunal also never tried to have any conversation, I guess first people close to Kunal like kuhu Abir , they all have to talk, BP can't directly jump but can surely guide others to take the steps

Originally posted by: beguiling

Hi Meen,

Hope you are doing good :)

If Abir's Dad had a history of wrongdoings like what Meanu was suggesting (and he did himself admit to in the last episode he appeared in) am not sure what good nazariya he would have rendered to his children.

It's good if Abir and Kunal didn't have to grow up with the knowledge that their father was a fraud or a cheat.

Abir did mean ki uski family normal hoti, uski mom itni controlling ni hoti, maybe she would have been happy too..

Originally posted by: beguiling

I have never even seen Kunal and Vishambhar have a proper conversation together. Then for Vishambhar to say that "Humein Kunal ki soch badalni hai" sounded far from being believable or realistic.

I would also like to add that Abir's Dad did manage to get some sympathy today but he definitely does have a fishy past. Last time around when he was shown he did admit to making certain mistakes and today also Meanu indicated that he had a history of wrongdoings.

If Mehul turns out to be some holier than thou character, there would be lil chance of any conflict for Abir to face. I would rather he grows to understand that his Baba was not so great a man after all. He did have flaws and Meanu wasn't entirely wrong in pushing him away.

Unlike what Abir thinks I don't think that Mehul's presence or influence would do Kunal any good. He's already not in a right state of mind, throwing in Mehul would only end up making him feel further more troubled.

why will meenu n even people like nanu hate Mehul n have the kids separated in first place if there is no solid reason ...i think they are planning to have Mehul as a loner who did not ever take responsibility or show affection much towards his family ...i will be very disappointed if they paint him white and save all the grey shades for big ben ..

kunal was in all mind to get back to abir today but then this baba chakkar had ruined it ....kunal is immature and now getting both of them fight for baba s going to get even more ridiculous..

it takes a strong reason for a lady to arrive at a decision of separation ...fingers crossed hope makers dont screw it up !!