Few things I gotta say about this episode - Page 3

Originally posted by: Ekahriz

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Exactly.

Let's look at it this way.

Was Harsh a bad father to Abhimanyu? No, he wanted Abhimanyu's love and acceptance so badly. He was willing to do anythibg for Abhimanyu. He had a more balanced approach of parenting than Manjari ever did. Was Harsh a bad husband/human being? He indeed was, considering he emotionally and physically abused Manjari.

What is the reason Abhimanyu decided not to have a relationship with his dad? Because he was standing by his mom. Supporting her and hated his father who treated his mom badly. So he honestly believe Harsh shouldn't get his son's love because Harsh is an abuser.

Now, Abhimanyu emotionally abused Akshara many times barring few romantic scenes lol. Literally threw her away right after her miscarriage when she is physically and emotionally at her lowest. Two divorces impulsively, never considered her feelings, like Akshu said she always had to take decisions coming under his pressure.

So, according to Abhimanyu's own theory and behaviour, he doesn't deserve Abhir's love because Abhir's father mistreated Abhir's mom numerous times.

So, according to Abhimanyu himself, he doesn't deserve Abhir.

Hence, proved that Abhir should stay with Abhinav and Akshara. 😆

I remember though Harsh was abusive, there was one episode he almost was about to slap him. I don't recall the episode but for sure remember that scene. It was the worst episode from yeh rishta. Even that time Abhimanyu was glorified because people said Harsh deserved it. Yes he deserved it but not from his own son whom he loves a lot. You wrote very nicely all points. The worst thing was even Akshara called him Sirji everytime except before marriage when she wanted to bring him to party she called him papa.

Honestly both Abhimanyu and Akshara were shown very selfish in this serial. Aarohi I am not counting because she was always grey.

Abhir should definitely stay with his parents and Abhimanyu can meet him as his Docman. But no he wants him to call papa and give him that HAQQ. Then what about Abhinav. I don't like kids shown negative and being rude so one part of me don't want Abhir to do same thing what he did to harsh and continue loving him as Docman. But Abhimanyu is spoiling it again with his zidd and anger.

Originally posted by: jhustju

1. Manjari has to be one of the worst moms I have seen on ITV. The openly bad moms dont pretend at least. This one pretends that she has the best interest of her son at heart when all she wants to do is for him to cater to her every whim and fancy and god forbid he does not listen to her. She miraculously faints or falls sick. All of Abhi and Aksharas issues have stemmed from her. The obsession that she has for her son is not healthy at all. She really needs to give him more space. I am guessing he is at least 35+ in the show. He does not need mommy to fix him up. Abhi did not even postpone the wedding. He just refused to bring it forward. Why is everyone making such a big fuss over the fact that he did not want to move up the wedding. As far as the amount of anger that she has for Akshara is crazy. More than Abhi I want her to grovel in front of everyone

2. I do not understand why Abhinav wants to be besties with Abhi. Abhi is his wifes ex. No sane person wants to be besties with their spouses ex. If Akshara and Abhi had a good relationship after their divorce and then Abhinav and Manyu became friends its one thing. Here they are antagonists and he can see that Akshara is in pain. What is going on in his brain? Is he so much of a people pleaser that he cant see right from wrong

3. I am glad she is speaking up. Even her conversation with Abhi was logical and took place in a calm fashion. I just wish she stays like this even when Abhira get back together and she does not go back to being the meek people pleaser

4. Abhi has a long way to go for his redemption. I am just happy that he and Akshara had that mature conversation. Though at the end of it I wish Akshara had reminded him of how he treated his father when Abhi started to talk about a fathers love and rights. Abhi treated his father like shit because he was an abusive husband but wants his son to treat him like a prince when Abhi himself was abusive to Akshara. Before anyone pounces on me, physical abuse is not the only form of abuse. Akshara was mentally and emotionally abused by Abhi and if there is a chance for an Abhira reunion, he needs to understand the gravity of what he did and make amends

Well written post 💯.

I did give Manjari benefit of doubt as she was always shown as this bechari Abla nari.. but what she did with Neel is even more unforgivable than what she has done to Abhimanyu .. if she gave in to her son’s zidd and bought the kid home, the least she could do was to ensure he gets a good environment where there is love , care , a nurturing environment .. she actually said she brought Neel hoping either Hardh or Anand will stop the adoption .. but everyone gave in to Abhimanyu’s zidd.. shows this way of bringing ip children by giving into their zidd is a khandasni Beemari of Birlas .. so she was forced to adopt Neel and I agree she had no I’ll intentions .. but she allowed that child to be insulted and talked down to and made to feel like a charity case through his life .. no one in that house were bothered that he was illtreated .. no one spoke up .. they just made sure it did not happen in front of Abhimanyu and Abhimanyu was hardly home .. so essentially Neel grew up mentally abused and with the overwhelming feeling of being indebted to them for bringing a charity case .. Manjari knew Harshvardhan might behave differently about his own blood from a doctor girlfriend .. but still chose to keep Neel and Harshvardhan in the dark .. she has been a total failure as a mother and care giver .. just cooking abs feeding and smiling around and coming across as soft and sweet and weak cannot be equated to being a good human being .. no one in that house even bothered that Neel was just being used as a glorified errand boy , the Jugaadu .. no one was bothered that a guy who finished his studies was generally standing around gappe ladofying with maa and running errands .. not even Abhi .. then when he raised his legitimate concerns Abhimanyu just brushed it off saying he is angry with the wrong person .. never addressed or tried to understand Neel .. I think that is where Neel fell into Arohi’s manipulation and the rest of the kaands happened .. the distance in their relationship started there .. they both failed Neel there .. I have more to say about the issues I have about Abhira … especially from Abhimanyu’s side .. not saying he was abusive like Harsh on a day today basis .. but I think you shouldn’t marry a person thinking that you can change them .. he seems to have married Alshara thinking that he will make over Akshara into someone else .. you shouldn’t marry if you cannot accept the person with all their warts and ugliness too .. he wanted a maa like person who he can then mild into his image of how maa could have been and in the process he didn’t really treat Alshara as SN equalPartner at all .. I don’t think he really had any respect for Akshara as a person .. I think he saw her as someone he should keep in a glass house and treat like a doll .. not sure how many women will like it if it is a perennial condition .. he always took decisions unilaterally as per his understanding of what May suit her and expected her to be grateful, happy and follow through .. they were nice gestures definitely .. but not always with the intended consequences .. I hope the next version of Abhira will be more balanced and if they get back I hope it will be a slow process of building respect and trust and only then get back together ..

Originally posted by: PeacefulLove

Very well said 👏👏 . I do not like Manjiri either after knowing Neils truth. How she used Neil for whole his life still triggers me when I see her face. She is doing now same with Roohi and Aarohi.

Yeah Abhinav running after Abhimanyu is so annoying. Your good man doesn't mean you don't have self respect.

I too loved what Akshara said there.

I could not connect with their conversation after seeing Abhimanyus behavior from past 2 days. Fast forwarded that scene as I am least interested in Abhira now.

Yeah let him become worst. Eventually when Abhir is going to call him "Sir" because of his actions tab mazaa aayega. His attitude will return to him.

Originally posted by: solembaum

I did give Manjari benefit of doubt as she was always shown as this bechari Abla nari.. but what she did with Neel is even more unforgivable than what she has done to Abhimanyu .. if she gave in to her son’s zidd and bought the kid home, the least she could do was to ensure he gets a good environment where there is love , care , a nurturing environment .. she actually said she brought Neel hoping either Hardh or Anand will stop the adoption .. but everyone gave in to Abhimanyu’s zidd.. shows this way of bringing ip children by giving into their zidd is a khandasni Beemari of Birlas .. so she was forced to adopt Neel and I agree she had no I’ll intentions .. but she allowed that child to be insulted and talked down to and made to feel like a charity case through his life .. no one in that house were bothered that he was illtreated .. no one spoke up .. they just made sure it did not happen in front of Abhimanyu and Abhimanyu was hardly home .. so essentially Neel grew up mentally abused and with the overwhelming feeling of being indebted to them for bringing a charity case .. Manjari knew Harshvardhan might behave differently about his own blood from a doctor girlfriend .. but still chose to keep Neel and Harshvardhan in the dark .. she has been a total failure as a mother and care giver .. just cooking abs feeding and smiling around and coming across as soft and sweet and weak cannot be equated to being a good human being .. no one in that house even bothered that Neel was just being used as a glorified errand boy , the Jugaadu .. no one was bothered that a guy who finished his studies was generally standing around gappe ladofying with maa and running errands .. not even Abhi .. then when he raised his legitimate concerns Abhimanyu just brushed it off saying he is angry with the wrong person .. never addressed or tried to understand Neel .. I think that is where Neel fell into Arohi’s manipulation and the rest of the kaands happened .. the distance in their relationship started there .. they both failed Neel there .. I have more to say about the issues I have about Abhira … especially from Abhimanyu’s side .. not saying he was abusive like Harsh on a day today basis .. but I think you shouldn’t marry a person thinking that you can change them .. he seems to have married Alshara thinking that he will make over Akshara into someone else .. you shouldn’t marry if you cannot accept the person with all their warts and ugliness too .. he wanted a maa like person who he can then mild into his image of how maa could have been and in the process he didn’t really treat Alshara as SN equalPartner at all .. I don’t think he really had any respect for Akshara as a person .. I think he saw her as someone he should keep in a glass house and treat like a doll .. not sure how many women will like it if it is a perennial condition .. he always took decisions unilaterally as per his understanding of what May suit her and expected her to be grateful, happy and follow through .. they were nice gestures definitely .. but not always with the intended consequences .. I hope the next version of Abhira will be more balanced and if they get back I hope it will be a slow process of building respect and trust and only then get back together ..

I totally agree with every word of what you said. With Neel Manjari was totally wrong. If she does go off on Akshara this time, someone should bring him up and tell Manjari that by hiding Neel's truth she only made her own life easy, she made Neel's life so so difficult. By hiding Abhir's truth Akshara made her own life tough but she gave her son a loving and stable upbringing. Neel married Arohi because she manipulated him into thinking they were the same. It was actually Neel and Akshara who had the same background and situation. Both were ignored and treated as less than by most of the family

I do think Abhi married Akshara because she reminded him of his mom (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit). He does have a savior complex and thats why he brought Neel home and thought he was rescuing Akshara. It stems from not being able to do much for his mom. Even how he treated the pregnancy initially showed how little he valued Akshara's opinions. As a mother Akshara had more of a right to make a decision than Abhi but he steamrolled over her objections and made her agree to the abortion. Which did not sit well with me at all. Also it was all so illogical, if she was pregnant with twins it would be more of a risk both to the mother and children but no Abhi the doctor seemed to think because it was two kids it was worth taking a risk. Since that moment it seemed like the kids were more important than Akshara. He even said yesterday that if he had known that one fetus survived he would have gone to Askhara. So Akshara was only worth staying with if she would have given him a child!! WTF

Originally posted by: solembaum

I did give Manjari benefit of doubt as she was always shown as this bechari Abla nari.. but what she did with Neel is even more unforgivable than what she has done to Abhimanyu .. if she gave in to her son’s zidd and bought the kid home, the least she could do was to ensure he gets a good environment where there is love , care , a nurturing environment .. she actually said she brought Neel hoping either Hardh or Anand will stop the adoption .. but everyone gave in to Abhimanyu’s zidd.. shows this way of bringing ip children by giving into their zidd is a khandasni Beemari of Birlas .. so she was forced to adopt Neel and I agree she had no I’ll intentions .. but she allowed that child to be insulted and talked down to and made to feel like a charity case through his life .. no one in that house were bothered that he was illtreated .. no one spoke up .. they just made sure it did not happen in front of Abhimanyu and Abhimanyu was hardly home .. so essentially Neel grew up mentally abused and with the overwhelming feeling of being indebted to them for bringing a charity case .. Manjari knew Harshvardhan might behave differently about his own blood from a doctor girlfriend .. but still chose to keep Neel and Harshvardhan in the dark .. she has been a total failure as a mother and care giver .. just cooking abs feeding and smiling around and coming across as soft and sweet and weak cannot be equated to being a good human being .. no one in that house even bothered that Neel was just being used as a glorified errand boy , the Jugaadu .. no one was bothered that a guy who finished his studies was generally standing around gappe ladofying with maa and running errands .. not even Abhi .. then when he raised his legitimate concerns Abhimanyu just brushed it off saying he is angry with the wrong person .. never addressed or tried to understand Neel .. I think that is where Neel fell into Arohi’s manipulation and the rest of the kaands happened .. the distance in their relationship started there .. they both failed Neel there .. I have more to say about the issues I have about Abhira … especially from Abhimanyu’s side .. not saying he was abusive like Harsh on a day today basis .. but I think you shouldn’t marry a person thinking that you can change them .. he seems to have married Alshara thinking that he will make over Akshara into someone else .. you shouldn’t marry if you cannot accept the person with all their warts and ugliness too .. he wanted a maa like person who he can then mild into his image of how maa could have been and in the process he didn’t really treat Alshara as SN equalPartner at all .. I don’t think he really had any respect for Akshara as a person .. I think he saw her as someone he should keep in a glass house and treat like a doll .. not sure how many women will like it if it is a perennial condition .. he always took decisions unilaterally as per his understanding of what May suit her and expected her to be grateful, happy and follow through .. they were nice gestures definitely .. but not always with the intended consequences .. I hope the next version of Abhira will be more balanced and if they get back I hope it will be a slow process of building respect and trust and only then get back together ..

Oh my God it's like you read my mind. I am not so good at putting my thoughts as beautiful as you but this is why exactly I found disconnect with Manjiri more for Neil than Abhimanyu. And whatever you said about Abhimanyu has always been in my mind. I never really hated him before marriage but after marriage I could just see him like how you portrayed because of some life experiences.

It's not that people like Abhimanyu don't exist and infact now he is more real character than anyone else because there are so many boys who behave exactly same. And trust me I saw that relationships in real. It's pathetic. Few are adjusting because of kids and one of them I talk to everyday when she tells me about her husband I can only imagine Abhimanyu. Only in serials girls move on and live happily in second marriage but very few have courage to do so in real like. That's why I like the change writers showed. And only reason why I don't want to see Abhira reunion but Navra together. Not that I am big fan of them but it will be a change in ITV.

Originally posted by: jhustju

I totally agree with every word of what you said. With Neel Manjari was totally wrong. If she does go off on Akshara this time, someone should bring him up and tell Manjari that by hiding Neel's truth she only made her own life easy, she made Neel's life so so difficult. By hiding Abhir's truth Akshara made her own life tough but she gave her son a loving and stable upbringing. Neel married Arohi because she manipulated him into thinking they were the same. It was actually Neel and Akshara who had the same background and situation. Both were ignored and treated as less than by most of the family

I do think Abhi married Akshara because she reminded him of his mom (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit). He does have a savior complex and thats why he brought Neel home and thought he was rescuing Akshara. It stems from not being able to do much for his mom. Even how he treated the pregnancy initially showed how little he valued Akshara's opinions. As a mother Akshara had more of a right to make a decision than Abhi but he steamrolled over her objections and made her agree to the abortion. Which did not sit well with me at all. Also it was all so illogical, if she was pregnant with twins it would be more of a risk both to the mother and children but no Abhi the doctor seemed to think because it was two kids it was worth taking a risk. Since that moment it seemed like the kids were more important than Akshara. He even said yesterday that if he had known that one fetus survived he would have gone to Askhara. So Akshara was only worth staying with if she would have given him a child!! WTF

I completely agree with Manjari and Neil and even Abhi's reaction to all of that and how that pushed Neil towards Arohi. But Abhira were not exactly like that. Yes, Abhi did see similarities btw Ak and his mom, but it wasn't only him, everyone saw that. Mahima wanted AK cause she thought she would be docile like Manjari, Manjari herself didn't want Ak cause she thought Ak would be like herself, Harsh didn't like Ak cause he saw Manjari in her, I mean, everyone did.

Abhi didn't rescue Ak, though, he did want to defend her and stuff, but I think it was always about him loving her and defending that more than anything else. Once they got married, Abhi and Ak had a lot of arguments, as all married couples do. He was not nearly as controlling as people make him out to be. They were very different people, and they argued about how to handle situations. But mostly, the issue was that Abhi felt like Ak didn't love him enough and that she prioritized others over himself. And the pregnancy issue was incredibly emotional for both of them. Abhi didn't want to lose Ak, and that was the logical decision they could have adopted. But Ak convinced him, in a way, emotionally manipulated him too cause she took him to do the ultrasound and see the babies and hear their heartbeats. Abhi was already having a difficult time, and that pushed him over the edge to make an emotional decision. I mean, seriously, if she weren't pregnant, this whole leap wouldn't have happened. The kids were never more important than Ak. He was just trying to keep her and the kids safe. I don't get how all of that was seen in a bad light, he literally was dying of anxiety over Ak's health. He said that he would be there for the kid like Nav was, again, it's like the worst possible interpretation that he only wanted to be with Ak for the kid. He literally proposed to her again while she was married, while he was engaged, in the worst possible situation, because he loves her and always will. How can it ever be interpreted that he only wants her for kids?

None of the things he has done are right, but the one thing that has been constant is that he loved her, even if he has no clue how to love someone or how to handle relationships. If Ak's decisions have been consistently wrong in a practical sense, Abhi's decisions have been consistently wrong in an emotional sense.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

I completely agree with Manjari and Neil and even Abhi's reaction to all of that and how that pushed Neil towards Arohi. But Abhira were not exactly like that. Yes, Abhi did see similarities btw Ak and his mom, but it wasn't only him, everyone saw that. Mahima wanted AK cause she thought she would be docile like Manjari, Manjari herself didn't want Ak cause she thought Ak would be like herself, Harsh didn't like Ak cause he saw Manjari in her, I mean, everyone did.

Abhi didn't rescue Ak, though, he did want to defend her and stuff, but I think it was always about him loving her and defending that more than anything else. Once they got married, Abhi and Ak had a lot of arguments, as all married couples do. He was not nearly as controlling as people make him out to be. They were very different people, and they argued about how to handle situations. But mostly, the issue was that Abhi felt like Ak didn't love him enough and that she prioritized others over himself. And the pregnancy issue was incredibly emotional for both of them. Abhi didn't want to lose Ak, and that was the logical decision they could have adopted. But Ak convinced him, in a way, emotionally manipulated him too cause she took him to do the ultrasound and see the babies and hear their heartbeats. Abhi was already having a difficult time, and that pushed him over the edge to make an emotional decision. I mean, seriously, if she weren't pregnant, this whole leap wouldn't have happened. The kids were never more important than Ak. He was just trying to keep her and the kids safe. I don't get how all of that was seen in a bad light, he literally was dying of anxiety over Ak's health. He said that he would be there for the kid like Nav was, again, it's like the worst possible interpretation that he only wanted to be with Ak for the kid. He literally proposed to her again while she was married, while he was engaged, in the worst possible situation, because he loves her and always will. How can it ever be interpreted that he only wants her for kids?

None of the things he has done are right, but the one thing that has been constant is that he loved her, even if he has no clue how to love someone or how to handle relationships. If Ak's decisions have been consistently wrong in a practical sense, Abhi's decisions have been consistently wrong in an emotional sense.

To me yesterdays conversation seemed like that because it does seem now that Abhi has moved on from Akshara. There may be remnants of affection which is why he is gentler with her as compared to Abhinav but honestly I do not see the love there. With Akshara for some reason I do see the love. I feel like she is so angry because she still loves him. If she did not there would not be mad, she would be indifferent.

@bold I will never understand. She sacrificed herself for him and that was not good enough?? He told her he loved her more than life, but when it came to showing he always put his mom first

Originally posted by: jhustju

To me yesterdays conversation seemed like that because it does seem now that Abhi has moved on from Akshara. There may be remnants of affection which is why he is gentler with her as compared to Abhinav but honestly I do not see the love there. With Akshara for some reason I do see the love. I feel like she is so angry because she still loves him. If she did not there would not be mad, she would be indifferent.

@bold I will never understand. She sacrificed herself for him and that was not good enough?? He told her he loved her more than life, but when it came to showing he always put his mom first

I don't think it's possible for Abhi to stop loving Ak, but he is definitely hurt by her right now and more focused on getting his son back. I think their own relationship is far away for both of them right now. After the first leap and once they got back together, Abhi was never insecure about Ak again. He knew she loved him, even if she got caught up in other things. His issue after that was still her priorities though. His own priority has always been his loved ones which included Ak, Neil, and Manjari. Only three people in the world he cared about. After the first leap, even though Abhira got back together, Abhi's whole world was still unstable. Now the three people he loved were at odds, and yes, he did take Manjari's side. I view it as him trying to balance things between the three people he loved and trying to make sure no one gets hurt. Honestly, I can't blame him for that period cause we see how unstable he is, even mentally. How he has high anxiety about losing Ak, is still on a lot of meds, is still having a difficult time adjusting, and is just trying really hard with everyone.

Neither Abhira acknowledged the other's pain back then, which was the principal issue we all had on this forum. Both of them were severely impacted that one year and that was never resolved. Abhi's anxiety or Ak's sacrifice - nothing. No one talked about it.

Originally posted by: jhustju

I totally agree with every word of what you said. With Neel Manjari was totally wrong. If she does go off on Akshara this time, someone should bring him up and tell Manjari that by hiding Neel's truth she only made her own life easy, she made Neel's life so so difficult. By hiding Abhir's truth Akshara made her own life tough but she gave her son a loving and stable upbringing. Neel married Arohi because she manipulated him into thinking they were the same. It was actually Neel and Akshara who had the same background and situation. Both were ignored and treated as less than by most of the family

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It's a thing in yrkkh. In s3 suvarna hid the existence of her biological child with her husband , just so that kartik stays their only child n he gets 100% attention. Manish was so pissed when he learnt the truth and rightfully so....this is how all the ma's are , in yrkkh land. They used it to bring suvarna and kartik closer.

Yahan toh phir bhi Neil was adopted and the step son. Suvarna was 100 steps ahead of manjari.

In every season such a track brings downfall of the leads...