Woman character is questioned and family is not bothered about it - Page 2

Originally posted by: sreeu12345

His desk main harness aurat ko hi a agniparisha deni part hi hai.

I did read review after this what the hell shagun is nekh aurat even if she had multiple affairs. But ishita is ...

I am speechless with today episode ...for nayi soch of star and ekta...well done bestie ah...

Dewali ka pretty damaka offer tho pata chalagi hame tho...ab..

Tjat ishra remarriage no but sapartion is sure on cards due to pihu going hell shock due to ishita tells her truth..

Lo chalo after leap adi aliya ki Saadi aur their bachhe..ki nanny banegi hamare pyari ishita...

Isliya Australia shoot...

Kya baat hai taklu and gang ki mast offer hai dewali par benefit hai srif ah ki aliya...

All for ah...

Hi Maya

Maya,
I am not sure how to answer to your post but I will try..
There are two ways to look at this and that is how I will try to address this..

YHM post leap is story of Shagun.. so it's all about ignoring her wrongs and giving her dignity and respect that any woman deserves in the society... For which both iyers, Bhallas and even Raman believed and tried to give it to her. They all were worried when someone questioned her place in Bhallas house pretending to be Raman's wife they all rooted for her marriage with Raman.. though Raman tried to find a right person for her via marriage bureau. Because as per society norms only marriage gives the woman the required respect and dignity. So ultimately she was given that respect and dignity that every woman deserves by making sure that her marriage is done with Mani who is a decent, educated, rich and broad minded person who didn't care about her past. And I honestly believe every woman deserves this kind of respect. And the makers, Bhallas, iyers, raghavas including Raman that they believed in an institution called marriage..and respected it..
Then there comes Ishita due to unforeseen and unfortunate circumstances made her away from her family and end up with handicapped Mani.. here once again the blame is totally placed on Ishita as she ran away from her family, husband and kids to be with Mani pretending suicide. Is there a truth in it? If one doesn't want to know what really happened 7 years ago then it's true. So since we never witnessed anyone asking her what happened i am believing that they all believed in that falsehood calling it truth.. only 3 people know the extent of what happened.. one is Raman who conveniently forgotten what's his role in that fateful night that separated Ishita from family, Mani who saved ger from suicide but then again how much he knows we don't know, then Ishita who will never reveal to anyone what happened anymore.. because she tried 3 times but that fell on deaf years.. so now she took the blame she accepted that she abandoned the family. Fine..

Now comes the crux..when Ishita came back Raman practically hounded her , humiliated her and demeaned her and made her look like a characterless woman.. and on top of that he went ahead and practically married Shagun declaring his marriage with Ishita is no longer valid.. but the marriage with Shagun didn't happen but it didn't change the fact that he no longer married to Ishita. Or rather by his own declaration Ishita is no longer his wife..
But for Ruhi's sake they started living in the same house and in the same room as a couple. Ruhi put a condition for them to marry each other and it didn't happen since Ishita got kidnapped.. meanwhile Shagun got married.. both families, Raman and Ishita conveniently forgot about their marriage.. and in few instances he clearly expressed his disinterest to marry her..but he never once said we are already wife and husband and we don't need marriage..Ishita seemed unsure and unconvinced but she stayed on.. carrying the faade of mia and biwi act.. he started romancing and yes taking care of her.. but her status is still never clear..
Now here comes the pooja.. they were ready to participate as a married couple.. since they both believed in their hearts they are wife and husband. But when you live in a society all these kind of relations need to be stamped as either married couple or a woman is a man's keep.. since Raman never once said Ishita as his wife other than in side of his house as far as the society is concerned both Ishita and Raman living in an illegitimate relationship.. that's exactly what Bala's mother called them as.. as she is part of this society.. during her verbal lashing and making Ishita as a characterless woman not one person from the family not Raman, nor Ishita, nor Bhallas, nor Iyers, nor Bala and Vandu corrected her saying they are husband and wife.. they all looked hurt.. both Ishita and Raman on mute mode while the family asking her why are you making a ruckus.. my question here is why Raman didn't say Ishita is my wife and stop degrading her, or Ishita telling her we are husband and wife and stop ridiculing our marriage or their families confirming that they are married.. is it because no one really believed in their non existing marriage.. but when Raman thinks Ishita as his wife and now her dignity is questioned as a husband why couldn't save her from that kind of humiliation that no woman deserves.
And the question to makers yes you need to have creative liberty to tell the story the way you want, but what mistake Ishita did that she doesn't deserve to be having a respect as a wife in the society? What is the reason for her to stay with Raman without a legitimate marriage? Is she his keep? Are they practicing out of marriage relationship? As a woman this is totally degrading..and since the channel is getting TRPs i guess lot of women don't think this as a big deal..

And making Ishita not standing up for her dignity is totally degrading..

This quote speaks it all for Ishita or any woman whose dignity is questioned..

"Don't lose your dignity and self respect trying to make people love and appreciate you when they just aren't capable" - good quotes..

Rest of the epi i don't care.. and I'm not sure whether I made sense or not but I tried.. if it's incoherent sorry.. as well as sorry for long post..

Maya, this is not the show we all fell in love with. I started watching this because of the different story line and the amazing acting and chemistry of Divan. But now the story is not around the leads but around Shagun. Ishita we know always fights for her dignity. Raman even in the initial stages of their marriage used to fight for his wife even when he is not in love with her. And now both of them did not even open their mouth when the character is questioned. And top of it, she is only bothered about Adi Alia's love story. I really don't know why it is Ishita who is always questioned. Why it is never Shagun? Even after living with so many men, why is she not questioned about anything? Even after Pihu's custody, we neither saw the Bhalla family nor even Mihir asking her about the dhoka she gave them. Is it because she has got a fertile womb. Ishita always has to prove herself whereas this lady gets everything she wants. To keep her in the show, they have butchered all the characters especially the Rkb we all loved. There is nothing left in the show now and I don't even watch it regularly. Sometimes I read only the Wus and still sticking to it for Divan 's acting. About family not supporting Ishita, as Swati said they have let her down already 7 years back. I really don't know whether I made any justification to the topic. Sorry dear if I had diverted the discussion.

Originally posted by: mayasundar

Hello Everyone,

I don't make a separate thread for reviews but today I'm so angry when a woman dignity is questioned instead of addressing that issue in today episode they were showing that the family is not even bothered about it and was worried about something else so opened this thread to see whether anybody else shared my thoughts.

Today episode was totally ridiculous and the only one person who made sense today is Bala mom I'm even surprised I'm in camp Bala mom today.

The episode starts with amma playing with Pihu Shagun going towards them to cover Pihu burns but Simmi takes amma for the puja and Shagun asks Pihu to cover the burns. Adi/Aliya do the puja(Which was ridiculous for me) Panditji comes he is impressed with the puja and paati is all praises the kids still know their tradition Panditji asks couples to do the puja and when IshRa start Bala amma objects

She questions the validity of marriage (according to YHM 7 rule clause that their marriage was null and void was the reason given by Raman to amma before marrying Shagun when amma questioned him how can he marry Shagun when Ishita is alive) she says Ishita/Mani lived as a couple and Raman/Shagun lived as a couple and when Ishita came Raman was marrying Shagun so for them marriage is joke they don't follow traditions(Till here she was correct) She asks Paati why are giving Aliya hand in marriage in this family they would spoil her Vandu asks her to stop it but Bala mom refuses Shagun thinks Pihu should not know the truth and goes in search of her Bala asks to stop it amma says being our relative how can you talk about like this. (In a way I liked this scene because somebody had to point out the reality to both the families regarding IshRa relationship but I did not like the fact that Raman stood mute when somebody questioned his wife character)

Paati shouts stops and asks Mani is this true Mani tries to tell her that it is complicated but she doesn't want to know the story just a yes or no Mani says yes Paati shouts AA is cancelled and walks out from there (What the hell Paati did not know for the fact that Mani was paralyzed or Ishita was taking care of the kids utter nonsense which grandma will isolate herself from her grand-kids and that too they are last symbol of her son who is no more in this earth) Mani walks behind her and Ishita is standing crying alone in the crowd (I felt really bad for her one person questioned her character and not one person(amma,appa,sister,sil, in-laws, kids or husband did keep a comforting/supporting hand on her)

Vandu is apologizing to Aliya and Raman for her MIL behavior(I was what the heck she was correct in apologizing to Raman but what about her sister who dignity has been questioned no she is more into taking care of Aliya Ishita are you for real when one person points a finger at your character you should be worried about yourself first instead of taking care of Aliya) Vandu says she will apologize to Paati in comes Paati she says she doesn't need it and questions Ishita about faking a suicide act to live with Mani(If she doesn't know what transpired 7 years ago how did she know that Ishita faked a suicide to live with Mani) Bhalla says to her you only know half the truth but she shuts him up saying I'm from a village we know only few things a girl can live with father/brother or sister but to live with a man without marriage is SIN(So according to Paati there are no other relationship for a girl like a friend and what Ishita did was SIN but Mani/Raman are excused because they are man and Shagun is excused because she is married now so all 3 sins are washed away except Ishita who is still living in SIN with her husband) (I was so pissed at Ishita/Raman/Mani here Ishita for not standing up for her dignity Raman for not standing up for his wife and Mani for not standing up for his ex-friend)

Paati drags Aliya and Adi comes with his bags Patti seeing Adi steps aside and says she will wait for her outside Aliay/Adi hug in the middle of the room with Paati and everyone else looking(Wow what double standards for Paati👏 if as she says she is conservative she would not have allowed Aliya to talk with Adi in the first place let alone hug him in the middle of the room where everyone can see) Bala asks his mom what was the need to create this ruckus did you even think about the kids life getting spoiled he asks what proof do you want that Ishita marriage is valid why are you always behind Ishita come and clear with paati first but his mom says to him that she is not wrong that is what the world talks about Raman and Ishita and she would not come and leaves amma/appa look at her

Mani breaking the hug asks Aliya to come with him Aliya refuses saying she loves Adi Adi says to her that this is there test of love so they have to bear it as they were not able to win the respective father heart he says to her dadi is upset we cannot get married without her blessings and takes her hand and gives to Mani uncle and says to him that don't worry we will not do something stupid which will put you and my parents into shame(Till here he was correct) He says to Mani dadi had a lot of expectation but me and my family could not full-fill it but my love for Aliya will not diminish and walks away from them(I was appalled when he said that he agreed that his parents are living in SIN)(I guess Mani/Raman are impressed by Adi) Mani/Paati/Aliya leave Ishita is crying

Ishita is crying to sleeping Adi and apologies to him he wakes up she tries to go away from there but Adi realizes she is crying and asks why are you crying she says to him she lost everyone because of her running away(Way to go CV👏👏👏 shifted the entire blame to Ishita and made her worse than Shagun at least Shagun left for another man but here Ishita ran away leaving behind the entire family including a pre-mature child for nothing) I lost Ruhi, Puhi and now because of me and my mistake you lost your love I'm such a bad mother forgive me. Adi consoles her saying she is not a bad mother and when she was not there they were breathing but when she came back they started living. He says to her don't be sorry be happy that you were Aliya mom for few years so that she is not jealous that I got such a nice mom. God decided we are going to share our lives so he decided to share our mom first(This line was so touching) He says to him Ishima Aliya is your daughter she will take decision like you(I did not understand the context here at all) He asks her not to worry but to sleep without crying she gets up from bed feeling better but accidentally pushes the pillows and sees Aliya photo and realizes that Adi is missing her so much and hugs him and leaves. Adi/Aliya are looking at the photo and a background song is playing for them

Precap: Raman says to Ishita that he did not understand his son love but he would beg,fall at the feet of the paati and get them married he promises Ishita(I was thinking so then definitely AA wedding is not going to happen because whenever he promises Ishita he always ends up doing the opposite of that)Ishita is happy hearing the promise.

The things which bothered me in the episode are

1. Ishita never stood up for her dignity.

2. Raman did not open his mouth when repeatedly people were questioning his wife character

3. No one gave a dam when IshRa relationship was questioned instead everybody was sad that AA life got ruined

4. Everyone thinks Ishita did a drama of committing suicide and no one really knows why Mani was paralyzed.

5. Amma/appa is Ishita even your child that you stand like dummies when people question her character

6. Where is Toshjii today with her loud voice to stop Paati from accusing her son/dil of living in a illegitimate relationship.

8. How CV are portraying that Ishita is the only person who is at fault for separation.

9. When will Shagun pictures come down from Bhalla wall

Very true mr&mrs iyers failed as parents of ishita miserably.. only during param fiasco & surrogacy mrs.iyer supported ishita & went against Raman & family after that wenever Raman insults ishita ex: Dafa Ho jao during Rinky matter, he said to iyers to take their daughter even then they didn't open their mouth,next pre leap,yest too... Bhallas too wen Raman was insulting ishita in d hospital none of them spoke,mr.bhalla,simmi all were mute spectators... yest her dignity & character was questioned everybody royally ignored & ishita as a character has become a shame to women empowerment Yhm is no more a progressive show.period.

Maya,

Beautifully put Maya:)..all that an educated woman and a discerning audience felt ..Pure Disgust..I am seriously not getting why the writer is allowing Ishita's character to be torn into shards and buried under a cesspool of filth?

Originally posted by: mayasundar

Hi Maya,

I guess you missed those episode

Pihu already called Ishita "Gandi aurat" or "I know these types of woman who break families are bad".

Shagun always calls Ishita "Is aurat" in front of Pihu and none of the family including Raman open their mouth to say that Ishita is the part of the family.

hi
I'm glad I missed
And I'm going to miss shadi too
Agar koi bakwas twist na hota shadi ma
Toh zaroor dekhti

The responsibility of the parents towards their daughter donot end ,once she gets married .