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Originally posted by: mayasundar

CV we accept that you are not going to give IshRa talk or Raman realization on the part he played for their separation but stop making it look like Ishita left the kids and Raman to live a fun filled life in Australia and Shagun sacrificed her life to take care of Bhalla don't make Ishita solely responsible for the separation by giving repeated dialogue to Raman saying what to do you left me. Adi saying when Ishima left us.

Ishita/Mani friendship got ruined the day he married Shagun. I don't find him at fault for giving statement against Ishita in court. He acted as any husband would put his relationship with his wife first more than anyone else in the world same thing happened in police station too when he got married to Shagun even though Ishita had proof of Shagun kidnapping Mani put his faith in his wife first but what did Raman do instead of believing his wife he put Shagun first so I don't have any qualms in Mani siding with Shagun because he is valuing his marriage vows but I would like to see his face when he comes to know that he ruined his friendship because he believed in a fake relationship.

Court giving custody to Shagun is also logical to me. Birth certificate is a legal document it says Raman/Shagun are parents but right now both are with different partners so just like divorce case the court asked the kid who she wanted to live with and she chose her mom so the court granted the custody to Shagun just because Raman/Shagun is saying she is a surrogate mother court won't accept it as proof because for a court even though everyone knows the truth but for the judgement to pass they need legal documents. Raman has to prove in court that Shagun is a surrogate mother and Ishita is the mother by DNA test and signed surrogacy paper. The only thing I found ridiculous in this whole thing is Pihu saying that she doesn't like the gandi aunty so she wants to live with her mother but Pihu forgot Ishita is not living at Bhalla house but at Iyers house so how come this becomes a valid point because Pihu is living with her family only without the gandi aunty she cannot dictate who can be neighbors.

I am so mad at Raman don't have words to express it. What is the Raman dialogue that how could I write your name that is why Shagun name is in the birth certificate is this even logical for instance a mother dies in a child birth would it give the father the right to put any woman name on the birth certificate as a mother. If at Raman felt guilty that he was the cause of Ishita suicide then he should have made sure that Pihu knows her mom given we give a leeway to that the he did not want Pihu to hate him given the circumstance so he did not tell her about Ishita but Pihu is not going to see her birth certificate so why could he not put Ishita name in Pihu birth certificate because he wanted Pihu for Ishita only so he took Ishita signature by cheating Ishita but what is the end result Pihu was never Ishita legally as Shagun is the mom in the Birth certificate Pihu never even knew who her mom is. Ishita never got to enjoy the kids earlier stage just like Ruhi,Adi she is going to get Pihu when she is 7 years old so there is no difference between all the kids for Ishita.

One of my friends send a pm about Ishita role in Raman life. I did not think much about it but seeing the segments ,Raman callous answer to Ishita as to why he did not put her name I am starting to believe it. The gist of the pm is Raman/Shagun are divorced and Raman was away from the kids Ishita came as a nanny to bring the kids closer to Raman once that job was done he threw her out of his house then Shagun came into the Bhalla house with the 3rd kid so now the family is complete. Shagun/Raman/Ruhi/Adi/Pihu.

Please do share your views whatever it may be it accepted in thread. I request the people who are posting not to bash the actor/actresses or people who have opposing view to your POV

Whatever you said is absolutely true. .!
I don't know what to say about Mani... He lectured Raman for acting impulsively but what he is doing? I disagree to one point of yours... Ishita may not be mani's wife but she was a caring mother to aaliya.. Atleast he could have given that benefit of doubt to Ishita.. He right away went to court and gave testimony against Ishita and saying he believes that none can love pihu more than Shagun is over the broad and in a way it's insulting Ishita and her motherhood... So Mani is over for me...He is no less than Raman and he proved it in the first instance itself..
About Raman. .sigh.. He is such a turn off.. His casual behavior about not mentioning Ishita's name in BC is really dissapointing.. So if a mother dies while giving birth then u can go around and give any random name Just coz she is no more... This surrogate child is the gift to ishita right? Ya uske guilt ko kam karne ka ek tarika tha? And what was the crap he was uttering? Is Raman suffering from partial amnesia or he doesn't wanna accept the fact that he is the reason that ishita left them? He simply said she ran away coz she couldn't bear the loss of ruhi? Highly disappointed... No consistency in his dialogue or whatsoever... There is no proper redemption of Raman nor any ishra confrontation... And pihu seems like, she doesn't have any emotional connection with Raman or other family members. .i would say let her stay with her Shagun mamma. .Anyways no one is attached to this surrogate child and Cv's are pulling the wrong strings..
Yhm is a sinking ship now.. Protagonists are trying hard to save this but the antagonist is leaving no stone unturned to ruin it.

I am sorry to say this but raman has denied ishita her rights as mother..neither ishita carried the baby, nor she gave birth and neither she got to raise it either and now the birth certificate doesn't have her name as the mother too...he wanted pihu for ishita to remove her baanjh tag mainly but in her absence made everything possible to not let anyone know that pihu was actually ishita's daughter and not shagun's and she was not a baanjh( if we accept surrogacy can remove baanjh tag)...right now apart from bhallas and iyers no one from outside knows about ishita and pihu's relation...so my question is how will it remove the baanjh tag if people outside doesn't know ishita is pihu's real mother.😲

Originally posted by: ramishi

I am sorry to say this but raman has denied ishita her rights as mother..neither ishita carried the baby, nor she gave birth and neither she got to raise it either and now the birth certificate doesn't have her name as the mother too...he wanted pihu for ishita to remove her baanjh tag mainly but in her absence made everything possible to not let anyone know that pihu was actually ishita's daughter and not shagun's and she was not a baanjh( if we accept surrogacy can remove baanjh tag)...right now apart from bhallas and iyers no one from outside knows about ishita and pihu's relation...so my question is how will it remove the baanjh tag if people outside doesn't know ishita is pihu's real mother.😲

Even if we accept he hide ishita's identity for pihu's happiness but as you said what was the need to write shagun's name in the birth certificate?...who does that?😲...many women dies during child birth or many looses either of their parents at very young age...is it ok then if the other spouse replace the mother's/father's name just for the kids happiness?...because i personally don't think knowing a truth from the beginning is traumatising enough rather knowing it after believing something else is more traumatising.

according to raman's statement ...he told ishita that he went at her back for surrogacy because she was not agreeing when he asked her...then he choose shagun as the other lady was fraud and shagun came forward to help him...now he is saying since ishita was dead so he didn't wrote her name in birth certificate and instead put shagun's name in it...none of reasoning are convincing enough

Ishita has no contribution in pihu apart from the eggs which was used without her knowledge and all the decisions were actually taken by raman only.

We can blame the circumstances but for me the circumstances were not convincing enough to opt for the options as raman did

So right now ishita has no right over pihu and because there is no proof apart from bhallas and iyers statement.

All these makes me think that had ishita not been alive today shagun would have remain pihu's official mom whole life and ishita would have remain a baanjh to the whole world. Letting pihu know after she become old enough wouldn't have removed her baanjh tag because other's wouldn't have believed that easily after being kept in dark for so long and palying husband wife with shagun in front of them

at last i will say ruhi is more of ishita's daughter than pihu even though pihu carries ishita's part in her

P.S. No offence to anyone it is just my POV

Word.. !
Couldn't agree more 😊

Originally posted by: Mdwst

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Originally posted by: snehaseshan

Bang on Maya ur each & every word is right

@BOLD Bang on I totally agree with u, Raman is totally wrong for not writing ishita's name in birth certificate & moreover he doesnt have an ounce of guilt that coz of him ishita committed suicide he's speaking as if ishita left by her will after getting saved not informing was her will but leaving Raman & committing suicide was coz of his words which he has not realised totally..

In d Birth certificate if ishita had died he shud HVE mentioned late ishita but itna kya gussa ki mother hi change karde

Ps I really feel u shud mail this to post to star plus wanna know wat justifications they give to ur questions

Basically,before the intro of test tube babies,surr would simply mean a man does it with a woman other than his wife n has the baby the natural way.I felt disgusted when some unmarried young girls where discussing this topic yesterday.
Here the cvs where showing just that as in chori chori chupke chupke.
This BC is simply n eyewash.
Hence it is the case here too.
Now how can raman have ishu's name in the BC.
This show is for the uneducated masses.
In mahabarat,sp version,king dridrashtra sleeps with his queen's maid,n gets a daughter through her.All as a punishment to his wife as she was not giving him sons,which he was wanting n longing for.
Now what's new.Sp n their nayi soch.
But the imp point is raman had adi n ruhi already.Why didn't he think of Romi having a kid instead of him,the surr way.
I feel sad to accept what they showed in the name of surr when I myself took treatment for years,from diff drs,with full support from my hubby,.N I met with success.

I'm not against surrogacy ..but against the way how it is shown in show.will ekta Kapoor give away his nephew if her surrogate come and claim the rights on the baby .she didn't show the process of surrogacy correctly .in reality the surrogate mother will not meet the biological parents.also here they made ex wife the surrogate mother without the knowledge of the biological mom and the surrogate can claim the child aslo.pathetic execution of surrogacy ..also to add Raman's character has been continuously butchered.his love for ishitha becomes questionable due to his activities.the child was gift to ishitha but the child doesn't even know who her mother is..

At least one neutral view regd the birth certificate issue. Otherwise, I have seen justification for Raman not putting Ishu's name in that cos of his mental condition.
But, his dialogues clearly proved he was very well aware of the parents' name in the certificate while it was being created as he said he forgot to change the mother's name to Ishita's name.
And, then, no matter what justification fans find in this... but even if a mother dies , even if the kid doesn't see the mother ever.. the mother gets the right as a mother at least in memory and also the kid knows that she/he had a mother.. this is reality. But, here, Ishita died.. no matter what reason it is, she had the right to be known by her new born daughter when her husband climes he loves her; when fans claim he is guilty of God knows what! That's the most ridiculous thing till date that a mother dies.. wipe her name out from the memory of family and kids. This kind of proves that Raman was not guilty ever, he had anger and hatred for Ishita thinking she left him for her own happiness.. who cares about who agrees to it or not.
So, why did Ruhi know about Shagun when shagun dint have any presence in Raman's life till Ruhi is of 5 years, when he claimed to hate her... Why this different treatment here?? This is a question to Raman.. and indirectly to CVs.