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Posted: 10 years ago
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Raman was a CEO of a company like mihir n he earned money as Salary, I think. He became owner of this company with that money and with that financiers.

I can't justify Rinki as She is really not made fight for her hus. She really insulted Mihir by using abusiv words. She just want to show her friends tht her hus is rich.

This tym ishra r right
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli


Yes, Raman is backed by a group of financers who worked with Ashok earlier. When Ashok started slacking at his job they decided to take their money to someone who would not let it go down the drain. So in a way they have shown that Raman started this business independently without asking or requesting any funds from his father or from any of his family members.


Oh yeah, that one i saw, but earlier in the start i missed the earlier 6 months of the show, that time the business that he ran, was that funded by him or his father or someone else ?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjs


Oh yeah, that one i saw, but earlier in the start i missed the earlier 6 months of the show, that time the business that he ran, was that funded by him or his father or someone else ?


Raman was an employee in his former companies be it Ashok or Malhotra, the businesses werent owned by him but by them, as CEO he was paid for his job I assume a hefty amount and should the company have made a particularly good profit in a fiscal year under his leadership, he might have been awarded a bonus for it but he was never made the owner of the companies in any capacity - not even as a working partner.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ankitasen



Unfair? when? 😲

A CEO is the topmost executive/employe of a company, he gets the highest salary in that particular company. That's it. He/she can never ask for shares or ownership of a company. If the company earns a hefty profit in a fiscal year, then the CEO can claim for an extra bonus which can be disbursed in the form money or company's shares. For a start-up company like Raman, it's not the case.

Even if we assume Mihir is being treated "unfairly", then Rinky can claim or demand higher salary or (and) extra benefits but not partnership. When Rinki pointed out that Ishita doesn't know a b of business, she clearly saw it as a family business angle, not a professional angle.In either case, Rinki was completely wrong. Let me give you an example to clear this confusion. Let's assume, Mukesh Ambani (here lets consider him as a self-made man) company's CEO is happened to be his brother-in-law. Mr Ambani makes a will to transfer all his property to his wife. Can Mr Ambani's sister question him why he is transferring his business to his wife who is not a businesswoman? No. Because, after a man's death, his wife and kids get all of his business properties and it's completely irrelevant whether they know anything about business or not.





Your point makes sense, and rinky is wrong for talking on mihirs behalf, but i still think that they (rinki, romi,sarika n bhallaji) are not eyeing ramans business.

Rinki spoke for mihir which was also wrong, but she didn't demand her share as a sister. And she doesnt have a rightto ask too

Bhallaji was wrong n rude but he clearly said that he doesn't care whom Raman transfers his business.

Sarika is worried n wants romi to become independent and do well, so if in future raman kicks them out, they should be able to afford a house for themselves
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjs


Your point makes sense, and rinky is wrong for talking on mihirs behalf, but i still think that they (rinki, romi,sarika n bhallaji) are not eyeing ramans business.

Rinki spoke for mihir which was also wrong, but she didn't demand her share as a sister. And she doesnt have a rightto ask too

Bhallaji was wrong n rude but he clearly said that he doesn't care whom Raman transfers his business.

Sarika is worried n wants romi to become independent and do well, so if in future raman kicks them out, they should be able to afford a house for themselves


She may seem to be speaking up on behalf of Mihir or looking out for his interests but the truth is that as she learned of Ishita becoming the owner and the will - for all her talks of self-respect and blah one of her statements was - how could Raman not think of their future when he secured Ishita's?


Say had Raman died or been rendered incapable of running his business owing to some illness or something, as the legal nominee Ishita would then have become the owner of the company, does Rinky think she would have fired Mihir in that case? Would Ishita, who in her own words is a dentist with no knowledge of business have stepped in to run a company which she has no idea of whatsoever? Really, does Rinky actually think that?


Also why should it be Raman' job to secure the future of his siblings and NOT his wife and children? How is that even possible and why should it be in the first place? As his wife and kids, Ishita, Ruhi and Adi get prominence over whatever belongs to Raman. Even in a court of law, if the spouse dies the partner, the wife or husband is considered the first beneficiary of his assets - even if stated in a will, since it can be challenged by the spouse if he/she wants to do so.


Bhallaji isnt hurt by what Raman has done with his company, his grouse is that his son spoke to him rudely and that he heard half of an argument and saw a scene partly and without asking what transpired jumped to conclusions.


As for Sarika' concerns in a way I dont blame her. She asked Romi last night about the ownership of the house which was a very valid question, Should Raman be the owner of their home legally he can kick his siblings and their families out in the future if a spat becomes too huge for the family but if the house belongs to Mr. Bhalla as his son Romi would also be a part owner of it unless his father disowns him, and he or his family cannot be forcefully removed from the premises. A girl who is about to marry a man who she knows doesnt make much would be worried for herself and now they have a son here at stake too. Sarika might have always been under the assumption that Raman is running the company setup/owned by his dad or the family but now it became clear to her that Raman is running his own business and no member of the family, except his immediate family which is to say Ishita as his wife and his kids have a claim on it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli


She may seem to be speaking up on behalf of Mihir or looking out for his interests but the truth is that as she learned of Ishita becoming the owner and the will - for all her talks of self-respect and blah one of her statements was - how could Raman not think of their future when he secured Ishita's?


Say had Raman died or been rendered incapable of running his business owing to some illness or something, as the legal nominee Ishita would then have become the owner of the company, does Rinky think she would have fired Mihir in that case? Would Ishita, who in her own words is a dentist with no knowledge of business have stepped in to run a company which she has no idea of whatsoever? Really, does Rinky actually think that?


Also why should it be Raman' job to secure the future of his siblings and NOT his wife and children? How is that even possible and why should it be in the first place? As his wife and kids, Ishita, Ruhi and Adi get prominence over whatever belongs to Raman. Even in a court of law, if the spouse dies the partner, the wife or husband is considered the first beneficiary of his assets - even if stated in a will, since it can be challenged by the spouse if he/she wants to do so.


Bhallaji isnt hurt by what Raman has done with his company, his grouse is that his son spoke to him rudely and that he heard half of an argument and saw a scene partly and without asking what transpired jumped to conclusions.


As for Sarika' concerns in a way I dont blame her. She asked Romi last night about the ownership of the house which was a very valid question, Should Raman be the owner of their home legally he can kick his siblings and their families out in the future if a spat becomes too huge for the family but if the house belongs to Mr. Bhalla as his son Romi would also be a part owner of it unless his father disowns him, and he or his family cannot be forcefully removed from the premises. A girl who is about to marry a man who she knows doesnt make much would be worried for herself and now they have a son here at stake too. Sarika might have always been under the assumption that Raman is running the company setup/owned by his dad or the family but now it became clear to her that Raman is running his own business and no member of the family, except his immediate family which is to say Ishita as his wife and his kids have a claim on it.


For rinky, what u have mentioned is what is going on in her mind, she is mistrusting Ishita... big time...plus instigated by her friend...she is wrong, no doubt, but she is talking for mihir, she wants better life for herself but through mihir, and not cause she is Ramans sister, atleast that is what i gathered from her dialogues, she is big time jealous of Ishita cause Ishita's husband is a bigshot guy and her husband is a meek employee...so i dont think she is expecting raman to give her business share cause she is his sister...does that make sense...

Bt bhallaji. His anger increased when raman told rinki, mere gharse dafa jo jaa, though his behavior was illogical but we know its not right to kick family members out lije that , were we not angry when Raman said dafa ho jao to Ishita, esp on mr. Bhalla, bt y he kept quite, this time he spoke up.

Ditto bt sarika
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjs


For rinky, what u have mentioned is what is going on in her mind, she is mistrusting Ishita... big time...plus instigated by her friend...she is wrong, no doubt, but she is talking for mihir, she wants better life for herself but through mihir, and not cause she is Ramans sister, atleast that is what i gathered from her dialogues, she is big time jealous of Ishita cause Ishita's husband is a bigshot guy and her husband is a meek employee...so i dont think she is expecting raman to give her business share cause she is his sister...does that make sense...

Bt bhallaji. His anger increased when raman told rinki, mere gharse dafa jo jaa, though his behavior was illogical but we know its not right to kick family members out lije that , were we not angry when Raman said dafa ho jao to Ishita, esp on mr. Bhalla, bt y he kept quite, this time he spoke up.

Ditto bt sarika



The point remains the same - Rinky is thinking of this in the family business angle and hence thinking she can throw a tantrum and demand from Raman a stake in the company for Mihir, who is the face of her selfishness and greed now, the medium via which she thinks she can attain a luxurious life and compete not only with Ishita but also boast to her friends about things such as foreign trips and big cars, as she demanded of Ashok last night. But the truth is this is not a family business and neither is it an empire as of yet which makes her think that Raman not providing these things to Mihir is unfair - its a startup for heavens sake, which all company under one year are.

No new company can immediately start offering perks to its employees and for all his power and stature a CEO is first an foremost an employee of the company and an employee remains just that - an employee no matter what he does or how hard he works or how much the company proftited because of him/her. No company grants him/her part ownership just like that out of the blue. Had that been the case, wouldnt Raman have made the same demand from his previous boss Malhotra?


A CEO is paid, is given bonuses but is not made a stakeholder of the company unless he chooses to invest his own money in the same and buy shares of the same.


Also Mihir being meek and all is out of the question here, this is purely because she was instigated by that friend of hers about Raman being the boss and Mihir an employee, this is just about power and money that is all. Plus how can she demand any rights from her brother and based on what?

This company wasnt started with finance from her father or their ancestral money nor did Mihir contribute to it in anyway financially by investing his savings with Raman. The company was started because a group of financers believed in Raman, ONLY Raman when they chose to back him up and asked him to take over Ashok' company, Mihir was nowhere in the question or discussion at that point of time. Had the financers made this backing to the TEAMWORK of Raman AND Mihir this would have been a completely different ball-game, but that isnt the case. They chose Raman for his leadership and the ultimate fact is the throne cannot be shared - it can only accomadate one and only one person at a time, no matter how huge it is.
Edited by EkPaheli - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Raman has been spoon feeding his good for nothing siblings for too long. Now they are showing their true color.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjs


have they mentioned anytime before that the business was started by Raman's money ?? m just curious to know since u mentioned that the business wasn't started using funds from Bhallaji...so was it specifically mentioned in earlier episodes that Raman started the business with his own money...

yes never never started his business on his own...becoz it was malhotra's company whom Raman was handling being the CEO for his company who is the equally the second higher positioner after the owner or boss...
Raman just bought some shares from his salary from the company...and also became the shareholder...and as he already told ishita whenhe was in mumbai for some years..he used to transfer his salary at bhalla ji's account...

so now comes to starting his new business...where did he get money from...so dear its not his money but is investors money...which he used for manufacturing his business products so that he can earn the double of investment and in return can give investors the share of profit from it...

he has the talent of running business successfully and earn profit maximisation...he never got any help from either his siblings or from his parent's property...
Edited by nicegul - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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As per law, Raman's assets being his self acquired property, will pass to ishita, kids n toshiji (mother is also class 1 heir) only if he dies intestate, that is without leaving behind any will.. But if he makes any Will in his lifetime , then only that Will speaks.. He can bestow or divide his assets as per his wish and no one can question him for his decision..

In practical life most of the people consider only their spouse and kids.. But yhm is a TV serial where the brother considers his family to be his biggest asset and showers love on each of them to the extent of calling them as his own kids.. We had heard him addressing romi as beta.. He have always promised them a secured life.. So normally they will have expectations on their big brother.. This is human tendency and depends on what type of family we are in.. This situations usually arise only in joint families.. Here I m not at all defending the siblings, as their current behaviors are beyond justification.. I m just bringing the reason behind their weird behavior.. Raman is a good brother for his undeserving siblings..

Another thing, Raman made the will on ishita not just only to protect his wife and kids but also with the trust that she will take care of his whole family.. Also he would not have been so much dejected yesterday if he doesn't bother about them.. So he loves his whole family and of course priority will be ishita as she is his wife.. But it quite clear that he will not be happy leaving them behind.. He also has duty to look after his parents.. So his decision of making ishita as the sole heir is not a very correct decision as it made everyone envy her.. Because they will not trust her as he does.. Now everything has gone beyond any justification or rectification.. But this decision of his has brought out the true colors of his family..
Edited by linga - 10 years ago

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