from 'woh' to 'Papa' *Updated* - Page 4

Originally posted by: shalz_123

me first...yey yey yey...doing happy dance...🥳

will wait for ur update n then edit... have loads to say..

superb post as well as collages as usual...

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what u said about male child n thought process is so true...till now there are ppl who wud pray for male child as tht is supposed to continue the khandaan... i still remember i had to listen to shit like may god give you a male child (kartikeya) for ur khandaan... n when i asked the person why not lakshmi...she gave me a khaadaan ka lecture...its other thing that i bashed her left right center n next time she didnt dare open her mouth... but that is the truth of the older generation... they have their tunnel vision on regarding this issue... i have seen modern people also craving for ghar ka chirag... its sad but may be the issue is much deeper. many social issues into play here...so i will not go into tht...

yes adi acknowleding raman as papa was really heartwarming...but i was just wondering achanak kaise?? i mean he has done for adi always... so y suddenly today adi understood... may be shagun not being present helped him... it was really pleasant to watch raman so happy...

Well many people here i ave noticed say tht raman discriminates between adi n ruhi becoz of their gender... the psychology here is tht...u yearn for the one who is not near u... yes ruhi was also not with him... but ruhi's love for raman was never in doubt... but aditya's was...n hence may be the overreaction...the accepting n allowing faults as well... which has toned down thank god...I dont think it's because of the gender...Adi is his first born...he really experienced everything 'first' of fatherhood through him...also he was born during happier times of the marriage,.and then all of a sudden he was snatched from him and the only thing he got from Adi was hatred, no acceptance of his role as a father in his life. ..On the other hand Ruhi came at a time when they was nothing left in the marriage and it had shattered him so much that he abandoned his whole family including his daughter...Ruhi until recently had always reminded him of Shagun's betrayal ...but that has changed now...the day Mihir beat Suraj...Raman was scolding Adi for bullying Ruhi, same as the other day when he took Sharvu's side and told Ishita that Adi should be reprimanded if he bullied Shravu...Quite different than that guy who had forced Ishita to apologize to him and Shagun for disciplining him for trying out bhang...He has come a long way...but at the end of the day, Adi is his estranged child whom he wants to be a parent to again...so his wish for acceptance from Adi was kinda wish for validation of his role as a father in his life.

ishita's decision...i think the cvs played it very nicely... being the type of person she is.. it is not possible for her to think tht soemone can plan soemthing so evil..tht too a kid..n yet she understood there is soemthing amiss... n hence her decision...brilliantly done by cvs n ofcourse amazing acting by DT as usual...Ishita's reaction I feel was more to do with her own feeling about being labeled as a 'step-mom', sort of an outsider to Adi's life...I'm not 100% about this ...truly intrigued to see how this is played out.

Raman n Ishita... okk one observation...have u noticed..they r colour coordinated these days... both were wearing shades of pink... love their colour coordination... n puttar..i found it so funny tht amidst these tensions n his son being hospitalized, puttar just cant forget tht their romance gets interrupted by everyone under this sun...so suggestion of europe... tht was hilarious... 'pati bechara'...rest of the scene... i love ishra scene always...n ishru scene too.. these two really look like mom daughter... if i cud..i wud now also jump on my mom's godi...

PS: my new yhm addict mom was very upset coz she wasnt allowed to watch yhm today all thanks to my dad n his news channel... n she called me to complain...n i had a scolding session with my dad so tht she get to watch from tmrw onwards... 😆 oh ho another fanfirl born 😆

Originally posted by: RomComFan

Terrific collages and quotes Gan- loved KP & DT's looks today and ISHRA's most persistent cupid looked perfect in her cameo as well.

What a beautiful, balanced episode. Looks like the CVs are really working on the art of balance these days.. hope it continues upon Shagun's return.

Will wait for your post and then comment... unlike Saturday!☺️ Sorry. No more RES-ing for me.

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Love your post- especially your point about being 'Isimaa' and 'Papa' and Raman finally getting what he yearned for from his son.

A lot more to appreciate in this episode then perhaps I expected. A lot of people talked about the big moments, so I will appreciate the little moments. I loved the immediate change in RKB's aura when Ishu took her seat beside him in the hospital- how much her mere presence means for him doesn't even need to be verbalized. Just looking at his body language, the way the tauntness leaves him and he visibly softens, the way he opens up ... more then the hospital scene when she was the patient for the fast it reminded me of their first real bonding experience, when Ammah was in the hospital- what a beautiful contrast those scenes make.

His ability to be so vulnerable around her and trust that she will be his strength and support as always is a beautiful thing to behold. And that 'really?' *thud* again, one word, the same word as when she talked about how they had a 'dream wedding' and he was the 'perfect husband' and I'm gone- KP is just too much sometimes... aww some beautiful references...yes a man only shows his vulnerability to the woman he loves...

As for his defense of Ishu, what I really appreciated about that scene was the presence of Mr. & Mrs. Iyer. Until now, they have herd Ishu speak of Raman's love for her, they have suspected it a well but they have never been witness to the change in Raman upon realizing his love. I am discounting their exchange in the hall at Rinki's welcome party because in its flirtatiousness it was quite similar to similar exchange of the past .

And this confrontation with Toshi is the kind of thing that Madhavi had feared- so for them to witness his unabashed support of Ishu and see the strength in her partner when she is standing there not defending herself, to see him not even requesting a defence, I believe that said more to the Iyers about the change in their relationship then any words could have. Of course Raman has always been Ishu's knight in shining armour, as much as ishu has been his but this Raman- this 'don't bash my wife because she is my wife and she doesn't need to say anything because I know her, you know her ' Raman- that's a sight to behold. It indeed was! I loved also the fact that the CVs didnt make it a sermon session...he just gave Toshijee the ground facts and let her know where he stands...

Loved ISHRARU and our princess Ru, always ready with a warm hug to protect and save her Papa and Ishimaa. The only thing I want to point to in that scene is the fact that Ishu was blaming herself. Of course she should have been honest with Raman, but her reasoning there is somewhat understandable. But her reasons for blaming herself- that's of more interest to me.

That again goes to the psychology of her infertility and the inferiority complex it has created within her in my opinion. This particular instance is about the insecurity she feel as a step mother, as a 'lesser mother'...and to a certain extent a lesser woman. She is blaming herself for being blind to what was coming- not for the act itself but the intention. She is blaming herself because if she had connected with him, if she had been what Raman thinks she is (the reason Adhi is starting to connect with him) then this would not have happened.

And maybe on some level, she is mourning that she can never be what Raman wishes she was - Adhi's mother. This ofcourse, is only armchair psychology, but to some extent I think there is truth in here. And , as I have previously stated, I really hope that CVs delve more into this aspect of Ishu's psyche. It makes her more real, less perfect and wonderfully complex. I also want the CVs exploring that aspect of Ishita's character...and looks like this track might deal with it.

PS: By no more RES-ing I meant I will no longer reserve empty posts, like I did on Saturday- not fair to you or anyone else. I'll do my best to always say something in my responses, rather then simply reserving. phew..I was like what happened. And dont worry if you cant unres occasionally because of being tied up...It;s perfectly all right.

DOC: Welcome back🥳🤗 L.O.V.E. your post... love the dissection- when you post on RKB you make me love RKB & KP even more ... and this was one such post. And Lion king...Come ON! You are just stacking the deck at this point...

The following is for you... and your post... the precap and the return of the great RKB


Here's to positive thinking ladies, and a swift end to this track, I'm still counting the days- despite episodes like this!😉 days to the wedding anniversary?😛

Originally posted by: Ishu27

Superb gan:-) your collages always speak:-) great wordings:-) and pls translate ishra scene dialogues in english know.. That too the last scene..

Originally posted by: geno0309

Beautiful collages and quotes Gan-as usual:) was waiting for your post!

Indeed it was a very nice episode-seemed very well balanced and toned down after what seemed like a never ending avalanche of OTT & melodramatic episodes.

Everyone was in character-Toshiji(however annoying her stance on the 'ghar ka chirag' issue-her outburst in front of Bhalla ji and then on Ishita was as expected-I was pleasantly surprised on how toned down those scenes were-good job director!

Raman was spot on with his defense of Ishita-any more or less anger would have diluted the scene-he understands that Toshiji is not Shagun when it comes to blaming Ishita when it comes to their troubles-so his mellowed bhashan to his overtly sensitive & affected mother was just right.

Ishita's reactions were finally indicative of someone deeply hurt by the blame, Adi's condition & her inability of not being able to gain his affection-I felt for her today-and I thanked the Lord-she is human:)

The best scene for me was the father-son bonding at home. What beautiful portrayal of happiness and disbelief by KP. I have never really gotten a chance to gush how wonderful and spot on KP is with his scenes with the kids-he is just brilliant! Looking at that scene, you forget how nasty Adi is & how it's impossible to feel sympathy for this messed up kid. I wanted to go give Raman a bear hug after that scene-too good!! One thing about KP's acting I love is the chemistry he shares with all the kids, from Ananya to Adi...for a guy in early thirties and kinda party going guy...he seems to step very naturally into the shoes of fatherhood...though because of his looks sometimes it's hard to fathom that Raman is the father of a 12 year old...but the body-language never fails as father figure..kudos to the actor.

Ishita-Raman-Ruhi scene was a soother-breezy & just right again! Am hoping the CVs have heard and taken the criticism seriously & will continue keeping it realistic(as much as possible)& low on the melodrama quotient! that I'm not too sure...but whatever the reason..so long we get episodes like this..no complaints😃

Waiting to see the Khanna brothers reaction tomorrow:)

Originally posted by: Badtameez_Dil

ohh Gan Gorgeousss Collages they r...Just Amazing...Ishu-Raman in Blushy Pinks..just elegant... thanks! yep they match a lot nowadays like someone pointed out 😉

Adi-Raman

As much Im trying to find bit of connection but after the stunt adi pulled ...Im very disconnected when he holded raman's hand..It all Looked so fake to me...Like its Adi luring Raman towards himself as he knowing well..Raman Loves him so much...Like by doing this he will manage to create a distance b/w Raman-Ishu... I hope it's not fake. Like I said in my post...because I heard him speak to his mom when no one was around about Raman...for 'woh" to "papa" and then the subsequent family unit in his mind included both Raman and Ruhi...so the guy who even recently didnt want to have anything to do with Raman...i felt it was genuine...

For Raman No-doubt it ws a moment as he craving for his son's Love...

how it will be shown when Raman gets to know the real intentions of his son...

For Adi Im now wondering cv's even have an intentions to change him or he is going to remain this negative only..so they keep readymade villain for after 20 yrs leap...that's true long term planning 🤣

For ishita-

Im Ok if Ishu maintains a distance with Adi its better this way rather all going over-board on child...For Adi its Long way to go if cv's have any plans to change adi's thought process..try to feed any positivity in his mind...

I Wouldnt mind if cv's Turn Ishu a bit in grey or selfish even is Toshiji sings ghar ka chirag song...

time comes when Ishu packs-shagun bags thrown them out...

for Raman-Ruhi sake...

when I saw 1st scene raman walking in corridor alone & sat... looked broken-man..min Ishu came & sat beside him...gave him strength..its nt mental but emotional strength Ishu is for Raman...

For Ruhi...Ishu is her Mother...for these two people Ishu needs to struggle rather showing sacrifice mode... yes I want her to fight for the two loves of her life rather than sacrifice to a manipulative woman who she knows is upto no good and not a good role model for her princess...

for whom hands she wants to leave these two.. to be shown in hands of Shagun??

Ishu-Raman --

Raman coming as Ishu side ws Beautiful sight to watch...when he comes out of room tells Toshiji about what actually she is doing...this other woman's children things r cropped up now...Raman can see it due to Adi nt due to Ishu...

Medicines hand-over to Raman...her telling Raman go & meet Adi se cant go...milk handover to neelu...fruits to ruhi...that silence talk ws unsaid words...

liked the smallest of these how cv's never slip makes slip from Raman's sight...they r so well read by him..

when time came to make it feel better...Raman saying again this Tum Adi ki maa kyu nahi ho...

sound disheartening & heartwarming... he regrets big time Shagun is mother of his children...Ishu can created that space in his Life which makes a father say this...

I Loved how he knows to cheer her...it just cute to watch it how he says one emotional line yet change topic bk to topic ...

these scenes r actually just making me watch yhm most of us sticking because of the honesty in whatever is shown with Ishra...I dont care what leads to the scene or what follows it..because their scene never has failed to me. That's DiVan /Ishra magic
other im somewhere disconnected now due to Adi /Shagun rest the bad screenplay/bad-editing is all very bad of Yhm...yhm 's execution team ...really bad...dis you see how they botched up the hospital scene that we had seen the olv of...just poor cuts and wrong close ups.🤢

tired of watching now same kind of screenplay also...

sometimes i feel SP worse show is YHM in this matter otherwise with best of leads...

Originally posted by: maaloo

Purrfect collage.. purrfect quotes.. but then thats a given .. u always capture the right moments and match them with perfect quotes.. sone pe suhaaga.. thank you...you guys just make me blush 😳

I watched the episode, since you said you liked it.. Skipped mom-son (the evil 'uns I mean) dialog and part that's the part where he called Raman "papa" without that scene, I would have thought the Raman-Adi scene back at home, as Adi's another acting.
.. Cant say I loved the epi.. but was kind of "mmm"

It was not as bad as I had imagined .. like the OLVs suggested.

Was very glad that the scene wherein Ashok taunts Ishita saying she is a step-mom was cut!!! Atleast the cvs showed a bit of restraint.. (Ashok hasn't fathered any child.. he too would have been a step-dad had he married Shagun.. and had they shown Ashok taunting Ishita, that would have been super heartless and I am glad they didnt show that scene.. though they did film it..)
I have a feeling they gauge the audience reaction from the OLVs and then decide on the final cut😆

Toshiji's "chirag" dialog was only to be expected.. All said and done, there are some who still think about son being the one who carries the name forward.. even if he turns to be a criminal.. and i am hoping that cvs have a noble intent by showing Toshi changing and adapting with the times. Loved Mr. Bhalla shutting her up asking her to move with times. Mr. Bhalla has consistently been the voice of reason..and I love that character..very steadfast.. very grounded and not at all OT. yep from beginning he has been shown to be a guy who's grounded...doesnt speak much but when he does others listen and he has always been shown to be on the right side.

Didnt like Ashok igniting Toshi. .I mean.. seriously? And Toshiji getting angry listening to that lecher's words? Was it that his words just rekindle dormant fires in Toshiji that she had to yell at Ishita?

Liked what Raman said in her defense. When kids are around, keep the medicine cabinet out of reach. Also liked the last scene when Raman notices Ishita being upset and goes to console her. Tries to bring back a smile on her face. Very loving.. All said and done, when these two have a convo or are in the same room.. its a "dil garden garden" feeling.

Didnt care of AsMi.. I just cant stand them. Dont know who is the bigger loser.. suraj or Ashok? Suraj seems to tag on Ashok's coat-tails but seems to have neither the brains nor the smarts to do anything on his own. they have turned from villains to comedy circus to me ..I was rofl when Suraj was giving tana to Ashok about his suhag raat.

Adi.. cant still justify his actions and accept such a sinister child. I have read so many posts in the forum about how Adi is a child and that calling him names and stuff is so not done, and i sincerely want to agree . and to an extent I do too.. that he is a child, that he is being played along and that he has been trained to act .. but still cant accept it and begin to feel any empathy towards him. I still feel that even if he were my own child I would turn him in because he needs serious psychiatric help. I agree with you...I could empathize with him till before the CVs turned him into this conniving mind-game palyer...He needs help as he still is a 12 year old..and Raman's child...But I cant condone the way some in the forum talk about him..wishing for his death et al...that's too harsh a reaction to a kid.

So Raman is gonna give Ashok a taste of his own medicine.. eh? That should be good.. he badly needs it. Hope Raman steps in and straightens out Adi too before he gets any more evil.

And a last note.. the past couple of episodes, Ishita's pain when being called a stepmom or when she is being yelled at, is getting to me.. ITs fabulous acting by Divyanka.

Its always a woman who gets stuck with labels - stepmom, bhaanj and a whole lot of others.. sometimes one needs to walk in their shoes to know their pain.. And I really hope that the cvs plan to show the helplessness a woman feels when being labelled as one.. and that motherhood is not just about giving birth. Its a very sensitive issue and hope that the cvs handle it with care.. without any pain inflicting words and dialogs.. I agree with you..this is something the CVs need to delve sincerely...