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Posted: 10 years ago
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I mentioned this in another topic, so I will copy and paste.
It might not be a conventional feminist stance, but in India it is a strong one. Because in India, people like Romi can sleep around with ten women at once, and its attributed to 'jawaani'. But a woman wants to maintain a pure relationship with a friend, and its construed in all the wrong ways. Why is a woman more accountable than man, when a man is in theory more 'sexually driven' than woman. Why is the prospect of female infidelity looked down upon, yet a man can do so in several serials with little to no complaints? Why is there this disparity? I mean even today, my mom is skeptical of the number of male friends I have, and mind you I live in Toronto. But 'boys will be boys?' NO. All these ideologies of women being in any sense answerable and accountable to their sexual relations while men are given a loose reel to do what they like, is why feminism needs to exist. Raman manhandled her, abused her, questioned everything she valued, and she should just run back up and give him an explanation to the actions that followed, which were actually for HIM. I think its great that this show is promoting this thought, because, I as a girl am told to adopt these nonsensical principle of 'sharm and haya' taught to sit quietly and wait for one man who has had a few hundred women. To cross my legs and protect my 'purity'. No, I am not obligated to do any of those things, I may choose to, but if I choose otherwise, I am just as answerable as a man.

This is why she said its feminist. Its idiotic how men get to do whatever they like, and women have to present a certificate of innocence for everything.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Reina1

I mentioned this in another topic, so I will copy and paste.

It might not be a conventional feminist stance, but in India it is a strong one. Because in India, people like Romi can sleep around with ten women at once, and its attributed to 'jawaani'. But a woman wants to maintain a pure relationship with a friend, and its construed in all the wrong ways. Why is a woman more accountable than man, when a man is in theory more 'sexually driven' than woman. Why is the prospect of female infidelity looked down upon, yet a man can do so in several serials with little to no complaints? Why is there this disparity? I mean even today, my mom is skeptical of the number of male friends I have, and mind you I live in Toronto. But 'boys will be boys?' NO. All these ideologies of women being in any sense answerable and accountable to their sexual relations while men are given a loose reel to do what they like, is why feminism needs to exist. Raman manhandled her, abused her, questioned everything she valued, and she should just run back up and give him an explanation to the actions that followed, which were actually for HIM. I think its great that this show is promoting this thought, because, I as a girl am told to adopt these nonsensical principle of 'sharm and haya' taught to sit quietly and wait for one man who has had a few hundred women. To cross my legs and protect my 'purity'. No, I am not obligated to do any of those things, I may choose to, but if I choose otherwise, I am just as answerable as a man.

This is why she said its feminist. Its idiotic how men get to do whatever they like, and women have to present a certificate of innocence for everything.


Hi Reina.
I am not disagreeing with you nor am I justifying Raman's behaviour. In fact, I agree with the stand that Ishita is taking, in that I don't think she needs to explain her friendship with Mani to Raman. I was just disturbed with a few posts that I saw that presented a very limited version of feminism, with it being only about women. I wanted to emphasis that feminism is about patriarchy, and patriarchy limits both men and women.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnr123

Bang on post! Trust issues in husband wife relationship is different than Feminism. 😳

That way any wife will do wrong (say Shagun who was morally wrong in having n extra marital affair) n say I dont owe any explanations coz of Feminism. 😆


I think Shagun should be the last person in the world to be called a feminist 😆 Thanks for commenting.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks everyone else for replying and liking. I'm working against a deadline right now, but will definitely come back later and reply to everyone individually.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaRathore


Thank's for hitting the bulls eye. Once DT casually uttered the word FEMINISM, some are just waged a war for women rights. This has nothing to do with feminism.


I think the creative team may be taking this far more casually than us at the forum 😊 Thanks for commenting.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pooja_Chavan

Perfect. Suddenly saab ke andar feminism ka aatma ghus gayi...😆
Where was this so called feminism when Ishita brought a rapist back to her house? Or people here having retrograde amnesia?


I think that in principle the idea of bringing Param back home and showing his true colours to Simmi was an unusual idea and may have worked, if Raman and Ishita actually did something about it. But Param went missing and it took Sarika to open Simmi's eyes 😊

Thanks for commenting.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Annthew

Feminism actually arises when their is gender inequality or abuse , here the concept is wrongly used I feel. There is no such issue between IshRa , it's only that Raman has fallen in love with her & her out of the way friendship with Mani( all of a sudden too) has raised j & his fears frm the past. They just need to talk it out. Communication is the need of the hour not feminism. Drunk & frustrated Raman misbehaved with her. It's wrong but he didn't force himself on her which he could easily hav, so it was nt about sex & abuse it was just his frustration.Ishita all of a sudden appears to b stone hearted , which is the opp of her earlier characterisation


Yes, he definitely misbehaved and the hints he gave were threatening and sexual. But I feel that that is a different context, and her not explaining her friendship with Mani to him is a different context. She needs to talk about the first one and figure out what is happening, before another night comes.
As for her appearing stone hearted, I think that is a reaction to the whole speech and misbehaviour together. She's become like him, i.e. raging at the world for her broken heart.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Colt.Pixy

yes i also felt bit righteous and awkward but din want to instigate fan war so kept to myself only. din know others are also feeling same.
because trust issue lies on both sides. agar usne dekha hota raman ko shagun ko hug and ilu bolte hue to vo bhi aisa hi react karti.


I hope I don't instigate another fan war 😊
You are right in that she would have been equally unhappy and heartbroken if she had seen what he did.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sang3241

Perfect Bang on post, today i thought of making a post on the same way.. We are talking a lot about feminism, women empowerment, women physical abuse etc,, let me tell you my facts..

I am a feminist, that means we need to treat both men and women equally,, men shouldnt get special rights, nor women. I agree Women are physically weaker compared to men but they mentally much stronger,,, For eg our leads Raman and Ishita
This track is about a misunderstanding between couple, its because of their trust issues coupled with communication gap.They are not normal couple so we need to consider the fact. But we are jumping saying Ishita is girl, so as a girl we should understand / support Ishita. Ishita is a feminist so she doesnt have to explain stand as she was clear..
Let me quote something from my real life
i lost my father during my teenage, as we are 3 daughters, my mother was veri protective of us ,,
Eventhough she has modern concepts, she disliked one of my boy friends. She afraid that we are having a love relation but we are good friends, he was veri friendly to all my family especially to my mother, my sisters, We used to study together .My mother asked me many times and i cleared our relation, but she ddnt believe.. He was my good friend,, NOW i understood what i found in him , he was veri protective , caring like my father bt that days i was not able to identify this and thought its friendship... My mother started behaving badly to me,, she was not replying me properly, favoured my sisters over me, shouted un necessarly Initially i was not able to understand when i came to know this, i was adament, i am not wrong, he is a good friend to me, i dont have anything to hide, why should i stop a good friendship only for some misconceptions? that was my stand,,, my mother was even more furious and she said her suspecion is correct. One day when my friend came to drop me from college, my mother came and started shouting at me,,, Then i realised how much this is affecting her,, she was violent and i was afraid that something will happen to her as she has BP. i cant even think of losing her, I told my friend to go at once .after that i calmed my mother, i promised that i wont keep that frienship .for me, my mother is above everything. After that i called my friend and apologised for my action and ended our friendship..
There is no case of feminism , women empowerment here,,, Okay i know a mother daughter equation is much different than husband wife but please think , in a relationship no matter what there is no feminism, women /man difference, only individuals..
I have felt many times that Ishita is feminist in many occasions like she said a marriage is not required for living life, she continued to attend emergency after marriage etc, bt cant digest this sense of no explanation
Sorry for the long past, cant control being a feminist


Thank you for your post and for sharing your story. I totally see what you mean. I am a feminist too, yet I have made some decisions in my life that may not fit certain versions of feminism. To my mind though that does not make me less of a feminist. Feminism is too important to be left to a few narrow definitions.
Also, on a personal note, I also lost my dad when I was a teenager, and I can imagine how difficult it must have been, both for you and your siblings and for your mom. Wish you all all the best for everything. 🤗
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: cocololo123

Well said! I also agree DT used the wrong word ''feminism''. Feminism is something totally different. The current track is showing the lack of trust between a married couple and a husband insecurity. This has nothing to with feminism at all because Ishita is not fighting for gender equality. If she doesn't want to give a character certification that her choice but that has nothing for feminism at all. I love DT too.


Thanks for commenting.
Yes, a lot of things depend on context. When Ishita finds out why Raman is saying and thinking this way, she may also feel that she sent all the wrong signals.

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