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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SRKLuvr



Oh sorry I didnt mean u ji😆 ur comments are nice and unbiased I was talking about some people who cant see or understand anything anyone else tells them. Sorry ji😊 I know I said that to ur post I really shudve realised😊



No requirement for apologies😊 I take no offense each person has a right to their views.

Yes, you could say that visually it has been made more obvious about Jogi's affection for Ichcha than Tapasya and that is because of his own reasons.

However, as a child,Tapasya was never ignored , never wanting for anything and if she was disciplined more than Ichcha it was because of her destructive nature. It could be that nature came about because of Tapasya's perception of a lack of her father's love.

But SRK what we are looking at here is also a lot of ifs and buts and could have beens and should have beens.

Uttaran had to go the way it did. If Jogi had shown equal love then Tapasya would not have been what she is and there would be no Uttaran. So we are really going round and round here. It is a kind of chicken and egg situation.😉
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Posted: 14 years ago
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u know what i find funny...we are all arguing over a serial😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

u know what i find funny...we are all arguing over a serial😆



Nobody is going to argue with you on that logic 😉😉😉. It is funny,😛 stupid 😕and yet at times enjoyable 😃as long as one remembers it is a serial.👍🏼
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nutmeg7

arre its ok....if we go by her logics...the earth will be flat

Do u hv any proof tht the earth is not flat. was there any articles in telebuzzz. show me only thn i can believe🤣🤣
Edited by ankit111 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: shyams



This is true for all d criminals of d world ji as all would have been a child sometime but that doesn't make them less of criminal 😆

shyam jiii, why Ichha didnt turned a criminal, after being constantly humiliated by Tapu and Nani since childhood, only becoz she is NAUKARANI ki beti??? child dosnt understand these things and If ichha wd hv taken it in negative way thn she hd all the chances of world to take revange for all this. but she didnt do tht😆😆😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Just seeing whatever I could bear of Jogi and that girl's scene today...Jogi has never spoken to Tapu like that! I think its clear now even if Jogi doesnt mean to...he has definitely showered more love on Ichha to compensate for his guilt and its been obvious in other parts of the serial too! Think how many heart to heart convos theyve shown between that girl and jogi compared to jogi and his actual daughter.

selctive memory. its not too much time of baap-beti milan scenes😆😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: shasha74

Freud said that 'woman look for their Father's in their Husbands.'This is true in a lot of cases
While watching today's episode and seeing the love between Jogi and Iccha a couple thoughts came to mind:

  1. Jogi has never been that loving/tender with Taps Yes that was never made evident in the serial
  2. And that Iccha's love for Veer is partly due to the fact he is very much like Jogi Possibly as it is natural and human to compare the 2 most important men in your life
  3. Taps love for Veer is partly due because he is like her Father and the love she felt she didn't get then she looked for in Veer. I do not actually feel the same way as I feel Tappu was more taken in by Veer's background, his wealth and Nani prodding her about how much she was giving up that made her turn to Veer. Besides she always found Veer boring. That is what did not attract her to Veer in the beginning. I don't think she actually loved him at all when she married him. She just wanted what Ichcha had.
  4. Jogi is in fact the root cause of the Taps enmity to Iccha. There our story of Uttaran begins.
Jogi has always felt guilty towards Iccha for what he had deprived her off and overcompensated with his love on her, helped that Iccha was a lovely sweet nice natured child.
At the same time I think he side lined Taps not because he didn't love her because he felt that she had everything; Mother, Nani, FATHER, wealth and so would lack for nothing. He just didn't see that Taps IS his daughter and as such needed him to be HER FATHER.
Yes, it is possible that he took things for granted when it came to Tapasya. This is where I feel Jogi may have slipped up a bit because had he realized the others were useless at teaching her values, he might have spent some more time with Tapasya.

This began Taps hatred and Iccha could not see this because she got Jogi love as a Father and couldn't see that Jogi wasn't the same with Taps.. Ichcha had the guidance of her mother who taught her to love Tapasya no matter what. Ichcha's character is also to blame as she was blind to Tapasya's misdeeds and she forgave Tapasya every time. I don't think it is because she could not see but because she did not want to see. Tapasya saw her own father drifting away from her, being punished for what she had done to Ichcha(she never saw that Ichcha never broke any rules), her father taking extra care to ensure Ichcha fitted into certain scenarios. (Tapasya never could understand that Ichcha needed help to fit into certain situations which Tapasya was born into)


And as for Veer I would say that both Taps and Iccha, whether conscientiously or subconscientiously see Jogi in him and are fighting the same battle as their childhood one.Whatever they see in Veer, Ichcha loved him from the first whilst Tapasya did not There was no battle till greed for material goods and instigation got the better of Tapasya.

This in no way excuses what Taps has done (and I'm a Veercha fan) but I do think it does explain some of Taps emotional hatred of iccha. I think all these excesses were created for Uttaran to happen.



I really liked this topic although one might say each person has his/her own perspective, however I have put mine alongside yours in red. Do let me know what you think,
Edited by groucho - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Groucho ji I agree with everything u said except that Tapu married Veer for materialistic pleasures. In my opinion it was more that she couldnt stand that ichha was getting those materialistic things and the Thakurain status which was according to her, originally meant for her. Again she sw it as Ichha taking somthing that was her right and nani's instigation made it worse warna tapu would never put materialistic pleasures above other things. Thats my opinion😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Groucho ji I agree with everything u said except that Tapu married Veer for materialistic pleasures. In my opinion it was more that she couldnt stand that ichha was getting those materialistic things and the Thakurain status which was according to her, originally meant for her. Again she sw it as Ichha taking somthing that was her right and nani's instigation made it worse warna tapu would never put materialistic pleasures above other things. Thats my opinion😊



😆 😆 😆 😆🤣

SRKJi why are u doing so much comedy? Are you doing an accelerated course in comic science too?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Groucho ji I agree with everything u said except that Tapu married Veer for materialistic pleasures. In my opinion it was more that she couldnt stand that ichha was getting those materialistic things and the Thakurain status which was according to her, originally meant for her. Again she sw it as Ichha taking somthing that was her right and nani's instigation made it worse warna tapu would never put materialistic pleasures above other things. Thats my opinion😊



what? tappu has always been shown as a lover of good things in life, she yearns for luxuries and she does put materialistic things over everything else, it stems from her need to own everything and everybody, she does not like to share.

yaha bhi nani ko blame mat karo ji, for everything nani is not to blame. 😆

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