Some Important questions for 'Sukorianz' *nce again*

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Bonjour😳 everyone. How are you all doing ? The forum's pretty much dead nowadays 😭and because I'm a "Jobless veli" who don't want to revise her books all day for exams, decided to go through previous discussions of our Forum and cam across an old post of mine in which I asked some important questions to all sukorianz according to the happenings of the show and gladly everyone participated in sharing their opinions and everyone respected each other's opinions. There are few questions in my mind that I want to ask all of you. Please give answers according to what you think. It will be very much appreciated😳

#1 : During jailer yadav's story track, sukor's very first hug happened and it did left an impression on suraj. Aftter he found out chakor left for delhi alone he rushed behind her to protect her, and then the 'Ishq ka safar" happened, where he was all lovey-dovey mushy-mushy looking at her and teasing her . My question is where all that protectiveness for chakor came in suraj ? was it rushed according to you, or it was smooth ?

#2 : Was the bandhua track enough for suraj's redemption ? Was it smooth and slow or was it rushed ? Did he get what he deserved or more than what he deserve or less ?

#3 : Chakor and suraj's bonding during the bandhua track, was it enough for them to start loving each other ?

#4: Suraj realizing his love for chakor after one nightmare and insistence of a probably 7,8 year old girl . And not even thinking about it for 15 minutes, not questioning himself about what happened to his love for imli ? or why he fell in love with chakor ? are all these things okay ?

These re the questions I want to ask everyone and please take out some time to answer these because it really helps to understand each other's point of view and It really does helps me to see things from different angles and understand them better...Because right now I don't the reason but I'm "Not at all feeling happy or excited about sukor love story...something is really disappointing me and what bothers me more is I don't even know what I'm not liking right now..those who know me from long ago also knows how big sukor fan I am and how badly I wanted to see their love story but what's happening right now is not giving me the kick" so please do answer these questions so maybe my misery can be lessen😭

Love-Jasmene❤️

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SilverLove. thumbnail
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Posted: 8 years ago
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hi chashmish


#4: Suraj realizing his love for chakor after one nightmare and insistence of a probably 7,8 year old girl . And not even thinking about it for 15 minutes, not questioning himself about what happened to his love for imli ? or why he fell in love with chakor ? are all these things okay ?



i was thinking about this .
i really wondered how he forgot about imli
ok past is past but the way suraj realised his love for chakor was not very super scene(i dont like it at all)

when pakhi said that he is in love with chakor
he should have refused that he is not in love with chakor
or he should have thought about his first love.

he must question himself
how he fell in love with chakor ?
why he fell in love with chakor?


and then the love realising scene would have been super
if chakor was in danger and suraj unable to see chakor suffering and realising his love for chakor.

at last what i want to say is

SURAJ REALISING HIS LOVE FOR CHAKOR WAS NOT GOOD

i am crazy sukor fan like u chashmish i really felt the same u felt.

i am very... disappointed 😒




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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sooraj was sad when he loose Imli and he recovered from it and considering her as friend now ,so no need to think about her to fall for Chakor.
Similarly Vivaan and Chakor were in relationship, when Vivaan fall for Imli,he didn't think about Chakor so as Imli(not bother about Sooraj) and why Sooraj needs to think about Imli,before love realization for Chakor.

When you fall in love with someone,your thoughts are occupied with that person only and insecurities and fear that other person would feel same or not.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sooraj starts to feel for Chakor,during Karwa chawth onwards and before that we don't know may be some unknown attraction.
I think it is enough time,that feeling was there and just need to come out and Pakhi done that.
Banduva track is enough for his redemption, he learn some harsh realities of life and starts to value life.
Chakor gets some unconditional support from him,the chain braking stunt and he rejecting food because not wanting to slap her.He was in such vulnerable and weak situation, but he values her that time.
That is something so touching for Chakor to feel for him.
I don' t feel anything rushed or something in sukor love story till now and they are moving slowly from hatred to care for each other to slow realization of love.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi Jasmene,
Here is may answer to your questions, I can't guarantee it being consistent. The parts added later are in bold.

#1 I always thought of Suraj as "you'll have my back, I'll have yours " kind of guy, not necessarily morally correct but loyal to those loyal to him. So once Chakor started protecting him, he was always going to protect her whatever the consequences were for him. There was also his remark in the T.V interview when he was asked when he started to fall in love with her and he mentioned the Karwachauth incident when she fainted and he vowed to always make sure that she is free to soar high. There is a softer side to Suraj, like Chakor said in the same interview: he's like a coconut hard on the outside but at soft at heart. Also they were part of the same team fighting against KN, if he wasn't going to protect her while they were on the same side, then when would he?

I didn't find him that lovey-dovey, he admired her and it was the first time they spent time together enjoying themselves without fighting among themselves or against KN. It was one of the few times she was acting and looking like a heroine and not jagat maata. His teasing was typical Suraj, he was actually very restrained, he didn't tease her when she moved the beds together, and whenever he complimented her he checked himself. His answers about his dream wife were more a result of her blunt too serious answer than anything else.

#2 The bandhua track was smooth and well acted ,but the torture should have been toned down a little bit, if he was able to drink and eat once before wouldn't have changed the narrative but would've decreased the viewrers' suffering. I really liked the start of the bandhua track, it's only after Chakor jumped into the well that the story and the quality of the show started to suffer.

Regarding redemption: for me for someone to be redeemed, three things must happen: first he should admit and regret his past mistakes, I'll expand on this point in the next paragraph. Secondly, he should never repeat them again and I believe that he will not willfully join in the exploitation of them again. Thirdly, he should attempt to correct his mistakes in Suraj's case helping improve the villagers' conditions or protecting them or fighting for their rights another thing is to give up on the gains of his mistakes so being disowned by his father and not spending on himself any money he has made during his time working with his father is necessary, he can use this money later to improve the villagers' lives. He showed that when he left his food to the children, he even showed that he has bought into Chakor's dream before becoming a bandhua when he gave her the picture of her ideal Azaadganj.

About the first point:

Realizing his mistakes: I know that he hasn't said it out loud, but I can't see him ever defending his past actions. There were also some subtle moments that showed that he wasn't proud of his past : on Sukor's bus ride to Delhi when she reminded him that villagers were paid in buckets of water, his face showed guilt and also when he got the flashback about making the little girl into a bandhua after stopping her parents from fleeing the village. It's not enough some self reflection is needed, but it's a start.

Apologizing to the villagers: I believe actions speak better than words so if he starts to make amends for his past mistakes then that's enough for me and even if he needs to apologize, now isn't the right time. His words now will ring hollow because he can't act on them and I doubt the villagers will be impressed because it will change nothing for them. Risking his life for them and helping them in whatever way he can is a better apology right now. Verbal apology's time will come when he is in a position to correct his mistakes (after defeating KN or at least being safe from him).

The bandhua track serves to give Suraj 'street credibility' with the villagers and to make him understand their suffering and o realize the worth of many things he took for granted. More importantly, it helped cement Sukor's bond, because hardships break flimsy relations and strengthen true ones in little time. Another important outcome was showing Suraj's true colors: he didn't break, he didn't bow down to his father and didn't turn against those who didn't help him, he even understood why Shikhu betrayed him (that was before the suffering, I know)

#3 Falling in love has no set time, it may happen in an instance or may take years. That said, here is how I see it, Suraj was already in love with Chakor, he was always attracted to her even before their marriage she always fascinated him. Her care for him melted his heart, she treated him as a human being. People mostly feared him, the only other people who cared for him were his mother and Imli but Imli was acting like a star- struck teenager chasing her crush. he was touched that she cared for him and didn't give up on him even though she didn't approve of him as a person. It isn't just that he depends on her, he had already started to miss her presence when he was leaving for Dubai. I believe had he went to Dubai he would have realized that he's in love with her. In summary, he was already in love but the suffering sped the realization part because she was his universe during that time and when they were separated he realized how much she meant to him.

As for Chakor, it's harder to explain. I think she only fell in love with him during the bandhua track, but the main problem isn't that it is too soon for her to be in love but why did she start to see him as a friend, because I think for both Suraj and Chakor the main obstacle against their love story was them being enemies and hating each other and once they were on friendly terms things would progress quickly.

There are some possible explanations to why she changed her opinion of him. During the phase when he wanted Imli back she always declared that love made him a better person, he also freed her from their marriage on his own without pressure from anyone else. It can also because of Chakor's habit of seeing the good in people and having a loving nature. Somehow she was always convinced that he has changed.

Suraj was also the only person who protected her and looked after her since she came back to the village. she always has this look of admiration whenever he beats someone to protect her. He is proud of her achievements, the way cared for her during the doping saga was heart touching.

I still think she needed the bandhua track to fall in love. First to see him as a human being suffering beyond his mistakes deserved, this broke the shackles in her heart towards him, she had to act without thinking or questioning her actions. Secondly to see how much he cared for her and how her safety and protection was more important to him than his well-being. It was necessary for her to respect him.

#4 As for old love, they both moved on because they weren't really in love. Chakor mistook childhood friendship for love and Suraj had a mixture of fear of losing his child and the only person who loved him, his desperation with Imli was because he had only one chance to get her and the baby back. Both of them have stopped being awkward around imli and Vivaan along time ago, they must know by now that it wasn't love. Even Suraj looked sheepish when Chakor while drunk reminded him that he was once in love with Imli.

Suraj has been questioning himself for some time. The first time when he was captured and returned back to the havelli and the second time when he had that monologue about why he cared for her so much. He didn't need that much prompting to figure it out. An internal monologue with a flashback would have been better, but sadly, it seems that the CVs chose to go for cuteness over emotional depth. Why should Suraj question his love for Chakor, he already admitted that whoever earns her love will be lucky. Insecurities about whether she still loves Vivaan is another issue (and for Chakor about Imli), but this is only a problem when they decide to confess. You can't help being in love and if the one you love doesn't love you back is not on its own a reason to stop loving them.

Edited by meshmesh - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hello Jasmine...first of all👍🏼,for your questions,like you even I am somewhere disappointed at Sukor's love story,but thankfully unlike you I know the reason,its just because amidst all the blooming romance,some emotional self confrontations are missing...But I dont mind,I am patient and have full faith on the show...the emotional confrontations will also come...as of now both Sukor are in their HIGH ROMANTIC PERIOD,of blossoming romance,so let them enjoy,once the highness recedes,reality would come knocking...
As for your questions,here are the answers..MY TAKE-

1.THE PROTECTIVENESS IN SURAJ FOR CHAKOR WAS NOT AT ALL RUSHED,,,,,BUT WAS SMOOTH,VERY,VERY SMOOTH...
Like,I had always believed that Suraj had been always fascinated about Chakor...deeply attracted at her fierceness,the day she was brought kidnapped in his den.She always had a influence on him right from childhood...
It was not the night mare on the trip morning that he rushed to save her to return her favour...HE RUSHED BECAUSE,HE WANTED TO PROTECT HER,HE RUSHED BECAUSE HE HAD THE INSTINCT WITHIN HIM THAT HE WILL BE NOT BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT,IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO HER.
He had always cared for her,I had given the various examples on Udaan DEDT#1.
He had that protective nature within him,and that care for her,even when she did'nt talked with him properly.But Suraj himself never acknowledged it.He was attracted to her when she was tying his tie in the press interview,and his feelings were already revealed when he described about the karva chauth night.and after that also he was fierce in being protective about her,when Yogi bear was force fully marrying her.
so in my opinion,it was not rushed,and yes regarding Suraj being mushy-mushy romancing and teasing her during the 'ishq ka safar'...actually suraj had always been very much reserved in regard to Chakor,but day before the way she came and abruptly hugged him,without a word,her attitude spoke volumes as if it was like a green signal to him,that he had started questioning himself.WHAT WAS ALL THAT...so he was also being somewhat free to express his inner side,and more importantly,he was just enjoying the moment with her,away from all the turmoil...he himself said."KAASH YEH RAAT KABHI KHATAM NA HO".




2.The bandhua track was MORE THAN ENOUGH for his redemption,and add some 1000 more to that...
He had been made to live the life of a hell,some thing beyond imagination,if get to analyse each and every instant of that horrid track...the post would become realyyy long.
So for keeping it short,in my opinion,SURAJ WAS NEVER THAT BAD...as he had been made to suffer,actually he was not paying for his deeds,he was paying for his parents deeds...
He never deserved what he got...FATE HAD BEEN TOO HARSH ON HIM...
He had been made to perish for a drop of water,had to beg for a morsel of food,suffer in harsh cold...and these were all physical...some where tolerable...
But he had been made to rip of his self-esteem,give on his attitude...I shiver whenever i think of that tortures..
actually he has suffered for not only of this birth,but many more births in one go...



3.First of all...LOVE IS UNREASONABLE...it would be a disregard,if the pure feelings that sukor have for each other needs to be questioned...
Love is spontaneous,it just happens,without any prior notice or clarification,there never comes a defining moment that tells.OH this was when i started to love.!
This is LOVE,not aids that first virus will attack,then reverse transcription will occur,and then symptoms will appear and you will be officially told that CONGRATS,YOU ARE IN LOVE..
The relation between two persons can only be understood by THE TWO AND NO ONE ELSE...
Suraj and Chakor both had some really,unnamed,unexplained,unexpressed,unanswered sentiments for each other a very long time ago,..."DHADKANON KE BHI APNE USOOL HOTE HAIN,HAR KISI KE NAAM PAR NAHI RUKTE"...but the mystery started to solve slowly during this track...that everything started to come out in open...
LOVE HAPPENS LIKE THAT ONLY,COZ THE HEART KNOWS NO OTHER WAY...



4.Suraj realizing his love,just after a nightmare and only on the insistence of a lil girl...thats a very strange thing,wait lemme explain...TO BE TOLD TO IS A STRONG HUMAN COMPULSION IN THOSE WHO LOOK OUTWARDS FOR VALIDATION...
sometimes,somethings are deep inside us,we know it perfectly,but we are just need to be told to...
It happens with me also,like if I am to attend a grand party,I take out two dresses,to chose from and arrange them on my bed...DEEP INSIDE I HAD VERY MUCH DECIDED,WHAT I REALLY WANT TO WEAR...but still between the two dresses I do that 'bachpan waala',...'akkad-bakkad'...even after doing that THE DRESS I WANTED TO ACTUALLY WEAR DOES NOT COMES UP...I switch the positions of both dresses,then again do the same thing,...AND THEN FINALLY MY CHOSEN ONE WINS,,,,,,,and I get ready..
Actually it is something very strange,WE KNOW IT DEEP INSIDE,WHAT WE ARE FEELING OR WANTING.BUT IN OUR STUBBORNNESS WE SEEK A VALIDATION FROM OUTSIDE...
The same thing happened with Suraj,deep at heart he knew that HE HAD REALLY LOST IT...that is why before Paakhi's insistence,in his dream he saw himself telling her,..."Kya tum humse pyar nahi karti..."
He had been feeling all these strange things days ago,it was just he was unable to muster up the courage to confess it to himself...THAT YES,I LOVE HER...
Paakhi just told him,gave him validation and nothing else...
It was no where,something undigestable,or strange,,,,,,,BUT SURAJ LOVE REALIZATION WAS VERY MUCH INCREDIBLE...



And lastly Suraj ,the man is a REAL MYSTERY dear,its very hard to unsolve it...😊





Edited by KUTUR - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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and yes forgot to add,
Why the hell would Suraj would question himself,of his love for Imli,,,,,😡,,,,,,,,,,,WHEN IT WAS NOT AT ALL LOVE IN ITS TRUEST FORM...???



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Please correct me f I.am wrong but u think suraj started saying I live imli the moment he realised the baby will call vivan dad nd nit him . Ranjhana did some drama for this I think . He was sooo desperate for the child nd in that time he may hv mu his feelings as well because before this chakor told a hundred times rs to suraj that he s n live with imli
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Originally posted by: needuraj

Please correct me f I.am wrong but u think suraj started saying I live imli the moment he realised the baby will call vivan dad nd nit him . Ranjhana did some drama for this I think . He was sooo desperate for the child nd in that time he may hv mu his feelings as well because before this chakor told a hundred times rs to suraj that he s n live with imli



Actually dear Suraj never ever loved Imli,not even in his nightmare,he was attached to his child,and he just cared for the woman who was nurturing his child in her womb,that is it...

And regarding his so called love feeling for Imli,I had already written a really long post to explain it...

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