DOTW - Why did Ravan need to Abduct Sita - Page 2

I think aalochak's political speculations hold some weight. Ravan was probably trying to conduct psychological warfare. I mean, we are talking about a man who was virtually immortal and who had conquered the three worlds. The most powerful of kings, devas and celestials were nothing in front of him. Even death feared him. And then one fine day, this powerful Emperor finds out that his sister has been insulted and (rather sadistically I might add) mutilated. This was a BIG insult for him, his dynasty and his Empire. It was a fatal blow to his public image. He probably wanted to execute a fitting revenge in answer: destroy the enemy using psychological tactics. Psychological warfare (including propaganda tactics) can be awesome if done right. This kind of tactic has the potential to completely destroy an empire from within. Taking away a Kshatriya Prince's wife from right under his nose was perhaps his attempt to inflict insult and injury on Ram's image and psyche. He perhaps thought that Ram would be demoralized and lose public support. It was an insult to the entire Ikshvaku dynasty (just as Soorpanakha's mutilation was an insult to Ravan's dynasty). 🤔

Ravan's fall, I think, was because of his hubris, his gigantic ego (then again, what else can you expect from someone who has managed to attain virtual immortality and who had been ruling the three worlds for a long long time? As they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely). I think he developed a God-complex. From his POV, he was a virtual God toying with pesky little insects called 'humans'. 😆

The God-complex scenario is very much a real-world possibility. Even if you remove the fantastic elements (the boons, the near immortality, conquering the devas, supernatural powers and all that), a man who had conquered most of (what was to the ancient Indians) the known world and who was virtually invincible could very well develop a God-complex. 😉

Originally posted by: Kal El

I think aalochak's political speculations hold some weight. Ravan was probably trying to conduct psychological warfare. I mean, we are talking about a man who was virtually immortal and who had conquered the three worlds. The most powerful of kings, devas and celestials were nothing in front of him. Even death feared him. And then one fine day, this powerful Emperor finds out that his sister has been insulted and (rather sadistically I might add) mutilated. This was a BIG insult for him, his dynasty and his Empire. It was a fatal blow to his public image. He probably wanted to execute a fitting revenge in answer: destroy the enemy using psychological tactics. Psychological warfare (including propaganda tactics) can be awesome if done right. This kind of tactic has the potential to completely destroy an empire from within. Taking away a Kshatriya Prince's wife from right under his nose was perhaps his attempt to inflict insult and injury on Ram's image and psyche. He perhaps thought that Ram would be demoralized and lose public support. It was an insult to the entire Ikshvaku dynasty (just as Soorpanakha's mutilation was an insult to Ravan's dynasty). 🤔

Ravan's fall, I think, was because of his hubris, his gigantic ego (then again, what else can you expect from someone who has managed to attain virtual immortality and who had been ruling the three worlds for a long long time? As they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely). I think he developed a God-complex. From his POV, he was a virtual God toying with pesky little insects called 'humans'. 😆

The God-complex scenario is very much a real-world possibility. Even if you remove the fantastic elements (the boons, the near immortality, conquering the devas, supernatural powers and all that), a man who had conquered most of (what was to the ancient Indians) the known world and who was virtually invincible could very develop a God-complex. 😉

nice explanation of Raavan's psyche.

Some people say that Raavan attended Sita Swayamvar. But why he'll attend?
Janak didn't invited him(Holy Janak will never ever invite such a bad person in his daughter's Swayamvar). Raavan is famous for his ego, why he'll attend a function in which he is not invited?

Power corrupts man n absolute power corrupts absolutely. His power n ego gradually destroyed his good qualities. Raavan's life give us a lesson "never be a egoist ", "never develop the ego of being a perfect person", "never try to be Almighty God". Raavan developed all this egos that's why got killed.

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

nice explanation of Raavan's psyche.

Some people say that Raavan attended Sita Swayamvar. But why he'll attend?
Janak didn't invited him(Holy Janak will never ever invite such a bad person in his daughter's Swayamvar). Raavan is famous for his ego, why he'll attend a function in which he is not invited?

Power corrupts man n absolute power corrupts absolutely. His power n ego gradually destroyed his good qualities. Raavan's life give us a lesson "never be a egoist ", "never develop the ego of being a perfect person", "never try to be Almighty God". Raavan developed all this egos that's why got killed.

Reg. Sita's swayamvar, in this Ramayan it was shown that it happened 1 day and all princes were invited. but in many other versions it's said that Sita swayamvar didn't happen in a day . Janak took this oath abt Sita's wedding and from time to time, many princes all over came and tried to win Sita by breaking Shiv Dhanush. Ravan was one of them. Ramanand Sagar confirmed this story.

Why Ravam did this, he explained it a lot of times in the old Ramayan. Of coure none of them were justified . But this was the plan of the destiny. Sita's kidnapping was pre planned (infact Ram knew Ravan will abduct Sita, that's why he gave her to God Agni and Sita's shadow remained behind.) because Ramji wanted to destroy the complete rakshas jaati.

Ravan's end was written that way. he did the biggest mistake of his life and paid heavily for it.

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

nice explanation of Raavan's psyche.

Some people say that Raavan attended Sita Swayamvar. But why he'll attend?
Janak didn't invited him(Holy Janak will never ever invite such a bad person in his daughter's Swayamvar). Raavan is famous for his ego, why he'll attend a function in which he is not invited?

Power corrupts man n absolute power corrupts absolutely. His power n ego gradually destroyed his good qualities. Raavan's life give us a lesson "never be a egoist ", "never develop the ego of being a perfect person", "never try to be Almighty God". Raavan developed all this egos that's why got killed.

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u know ravan was not invited ,when ravan came to know abt tht ,he went mad with anger that he had been insulted ,so he thought he wud def. attend the sita swambar & he forcefully attended the sita swanbar .in JAI HANUMAN it is clearly shown,tht ravan was not the invitee at sita swambar ,he felt insulted & he attended the sita swambar forcefully ,even ravan's father sage vishshrawa was also present at sita swambar as he was a great rishi . rishi vishrawa insulted ravan big time .ravan did made his attempt at lifting shiva dhanush but failed ,sage vishrawa insulted him & asked him to leave the swambar at once !!!!! before leaving ravan took an oath tht he wud def avenge king janak !!!! for insulting him .

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

Who is terming Raavan as brave? We all know he is a shrewd coward.

yeah!!! that is the right word to describe ravan.

RAVAN this is for u 🤢

Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

Reg. Sita's swayamvar, in this Ramayan it was shown that it happened 1 day and all princes were invited. but in many other versions it's said that Sita swayamvar didn't happen in a day . Janak took this oath abt Sita's wedding and from time to time, many princes all over came and tried to win Sita by breaking Shiv Dhanush. Ravan was one of them. Ramanand Sagar confirmed this story.

Why Ravam did this, he explained it a lot of times in the old Ramayan. Of coure none of them were justified . But this was the plan of the destiny. Sita's kidnapping was pre planned (infact Ram knew Ravan will abduct Sita, that's why he gave her to God Agni and Sita's shadow remained behind.) because Ramji wanted to destroy the complete rakshas jaati.

Ravan's end was written that way. he did the biggest mistake of his life and paid heavily for it.

In Valmiki Ramayan there is no mention of Raavan attending Sita swayamvar. Ram didn't knew that Sita will be abducted. Raavan abducts real Sita n Ram laments for real Sita.

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

In Valmiki Ramayan there is no mention of Raavan attending Sita swayamvar. Ram didn't knew that Sita will be abducted. Raavan abducts real Sita n Ram laments for real Sita.

🤗 Yay someone shares my viewpoint. I believe the same thing coolpurvi. In fact I hate the ChayaSita concept. It was invented by later writers to desperately make Sita uber-pure - such that she wasnt even touched by Ravan. 😛 😛 Laughable... as if Sita needed this fancy interpolation to save her virtue!!! If people really believe in SIta's character and pure nature, then they'd realise that SIta remained pue even though touched, and abducted by Ravan, just as the Ganga remains pure no matter who baths in it, and just as fire remains pure no matter what is dumped in it.

As for the swayamvar gathering - ya it never happened. This is clearly in Valmiki Ramayan. However wether Ravan at any stage visited Mithila to also string the bow, is not clear from reading the Ramayan. They mention that many kings including one Sudhanva tried over a period of time, but failed. Ravan may or may not have tried. We'd never know. Later writers may have added Ravan to the list of insuccesful suitors for dramatic effect.

Oh and Jai Hanuman serial cannot be an authoratative source😉

I agree with u Sita does not need any this fancy interpolation to proof her purity.
Her Satitava was so powerful that she even cooled dowm Agni (fire). Ram himself said that Sita causes faultlessness to his character.

Originally posted by: aalochak

🤗 Yay someone shares my viewpoint. I believe the same thing coolpurvi. In fact I hate the ChayaSita concept. It was invented by later writers to desperately make Sita uber-pure - such that she wasnt even touched by Ravan. 😛 😛 Laughable... as if Sita needed this fancy interpolation to save her virtue!!! If people really believe in SIta's character and pure nature, then they'd realise that SIta remained pue even though touched, and abducted by Ravan, just as the Ganga remains pure no matter who baths in it, and just as fire remains pure no matter what is dumped in it.

As for the swayamvar gathering - ya it never happened. This is clearly in Valmiki Ramayan. However wether Ravan at any stage visited Mithila to also string the bow, is not clear from reading the Ramayan. They mention that many kings including one Sudhanva tried over a period of time, but failed. Ravan may or may not have tried. We'd never know. Later writers may have added Ravan to the list of insuccesful suitors for dramatic effect.

Oh and Jai Hanuman serial cannot be an authoratative source😉

it was not for us to decide whether Sita was pure or not. Agni pariksha and chaya Sita both were shown in Ramanand Sagars's Ramayan. She didn't need any proof or any such story to proove her innocence. Inspite of this, she was doubted by Ayodhya people and Ram disowned her and left her in jungle. We r nobody to decide about them . However at that time, Ayodhya vaasi never trusted Sita which lead to her death. Ayodhya ppl didn't beleive agni pareeksha proof also.

Of Ram knew everything. He was Vishnu's avtaar. He was a God.

@luv_khwaish

Vishnu n Laxmi took incarnation as Ram n Sita to purify this earth. Wherever they went that place became pure.

While other poets gave importance to only Ram in their version, Valmiki gave equal importance to both Ram n Sita. The word "Rama" in Ramayan means both Ram n Sita. "Ramaa" is the other name of Sita. Thus by "Ramayana" Valmiki meant journey of "Ram n Sita".

Some writer s termed Sita as maya(illusion) whereas Valmiki described Sita as self-same Ram or very self of Ram. He has showed that Ram–Sita worthy of each other in every respect.

Ram too birth as human he didn't knew what will happen in future. It is according to Tulsidas that Ram knew everything. That's why u'll find mention of Chhaya Sita in it. But in Valmiki Ramayan Ram didn't know abt his future. Vishnu took birth as Ram. Vishnu in Ram avtar was a human not God

Through Sita Valmiki has shown the strength of women. One who bravely faced Raavan in Ashok Vaatika was Real Sita n not a illusion(Maya). In Valmiki Ramayan both Ram Sita had equal importance while in Ramcharit Mana only Ram is given importance n Sita is shown as someone inferior to him who has no key role to play in the story. Chaya Sita concept is a mere myth. Sita doesn't need protection from Agnideva to protect herself. She's much greater then him. By her Satitva she even cooled down fire.

If Ram was one who knew everything about his future then there is nothing inspiring in Ram's life. If Ram was one who knew everything about his future then Ram can't be our ideal because Gods can be worshipped but not followed. God can't be our ideal. A human being has capacity to follow a human being only not God. Only a human can be ideal of human and Ram was a human n not one who knew everything about future. Dharma imposes many duties on human being. Lord Vishnu took birth as human being with human limitations n showed us an ideal human life. He didn't took those great n unselfish decision because he knew every about future. He happily accepted exile, fought with evils, wage war with Ravan not because he knew everything but because he wanted to follow dharma. Ram-Sita showed that human beings have capacity follow dharma and dharma does not impose any impossible duty on human.
Valmiki has shown Ram as human. Ram suffered all pains for Dharma. He showed that avoiding hardship can't be a excuse for violating Dharma. He didn't suffer all these pains because he knew everything. The way Ram lamented for dasrath in his death no way suggest that he knew everything. He cried for Sita like a madman. He recollected her every moment. He wept like a orphan collapsing on earth on Jataayu's death. Meghnath was suceesful in casting spell on him. In Chapter 107 of Yuddha Kanda Ram get confused by the war plan of Raavan , then Agastya chants Aditya Hridayam before him to boost energy in him. All these n many other things no way suggest that he knew everything. U haven't read Valmiki Ramayana the best n the most authentic versions of Ramayana that's why ur saying that Ram knew everything.

Don't criticize Ram for Sita's second exile. Cause of her sorrow n Ram's sorrow were Raavan n people of Ayodhya. This topic has been previously discussed. See previous pages. No need to raise same topic again n again.