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Living goddesses are worshipped by both Hindus and Buddhists. The girls are selected between the ages of 2 and 4 after going through several tests.

They are required to have perfect skin, hair, eyes and teeth, they shouldn't have scars or wounds, and shouldn't be afraid of the dark.

They always wear red, pin up their hair in topknots and a "third eye" is painted on their forehead.

Devotees touch the girls' feet with their foreheads, the highest sign of respect among Hindus in Nepal.

During religious festivals the girls are wheeled around on a chariot pulled by devotees. Living goddesses usually keep their title until their first menstruation.

The main Kumari lives a sequestered life in a palatial temple in the capital, Katmandu.

She has a few selected playmates and is allowed outside only a few times a year for festivals.

Others like Sajani are allowed to stay at home, attend regular school and take part in festivals.

The government last year announced a monthly pension of $40 for serving and retired Kumaris. Previously, the main Kumari received only a gold coin during an annual festival and the other girls received whatever was offered by devotees.

Nepalese folklore holds that men who marry a former Kumari will die young, and so many girls remain unmarried and face a life of hardship.

Debate: Does this violate the rights of children or should we just view it as ancient tradition and just accept it?

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I think we are touching the religion aspect here mitti..and Im not sure how ppl would handle comments on this post, good or bad.

I dont intend to hurt anyone, but for me, each n every religion or religious practice was introduced for that particular era, obviously with a good intention at that point of time. Buh some of the beliefs, practices ( of ..if I may dare say..almost all religions) have lost the race of going hand in hand with time. What you state above is jus one of those practices which does seem worrying right now but might have made sense then or dont know if its been modified over time...cant say much, I rather not comment on it.

I could pick out many such practices from a lot of religions and paths of belief of god or the force or anything u wanna call it, which might seem really weird for todays age. The point is, can we really afford to change a list of things from different beliefs and practices of religion n try to bring them in sync with today's world? Ideally the answer should be a YES since they seem a little out of place, outdated or maybe violating human rights today. But some people will argue or are worried over contaminating or modifying the actual path set out for them and so wudnt wanna change anything ..N some or most of them will get extremely sensitive and have been known to cause riots and bloodbaths of today. The % of people who wud wanna change certain things is minuscule. We all know, people get extremely sensitive over religion, irrespective of culture, class, education, science, logic or rationale.

The fact that you have this practice STILL being carried on even today (inspite of the ever pestering n powerful & ever butting-into-everything-unnecessarily-at-times people of Human Rights!).....kinda explains it all I think!

Talking about human rights n law, this is an interesting take over the issue😛
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2600303.stm
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Posted: 18 years ago
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you might be right sohn....lets see what the mods decide about the post. i just saw this on cnn and found it interesting so decided to post. 😊
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Posted: 18 years ago
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MJ, reminds me of "devdasi" pratha in hinduism with in India. If I am not mistaken, they were exploited by the priests and some ended up becoming prostitutes also.

I am dead against such rituals as the girls have no say in whether they want to be worshipped (in your example) or chosen one to worship the god (as in devdasi) at the age they are selected for such rituals.

The treatment that is meted out to them by the head priests and temple board is, at times, inhuman as they are exploited to the hilt. It is unfortunate that we are still stuck with such morbid rituals.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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mittijabeli do you have the link? this is very interesting.
Edited by raunaq - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: raunaq

mittijabeli do you have the link? this is very interesting.

MJ if u can provide any link would be helpful too. I found some disturbing info on Devdasi as GD mentioned abv. Here is what I found on Web about Living Godess who was here in US.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2733252.ece

3 July 2007 16:48

'Living goddess' has deity status stripped after US trip

By Michael Savage

Published: 04 July 2007

A 10-year-old Nepalese girl who is one of the country's most important living goddesses is to have her deity status removed after she defied tradition and left her homeland to promote a documentary.

Sajani Shakya angered local religious leaders when she travelled to the United States last month to publicise a British-made film about Nepal's living goddesses. Sajani, who was based at the city of Bhaktapur's Taleju Temple in the Kathmandu valley, was worshipped by Hindus and Buddhists. As one of the kingdom's three highest Kumaris, or living goddesses, she was forbidden from leaving Nepal.

Jai Prasad Regmi, the head of a trust that manages the affairs of the Kumari tradition in Bhaktapur, said that the girl's deity status would be revoked on her return from the US this week. "It is wrong and against the tradition for her to go on a foreign tour without any permission," he said. "This is impure in our tradition. We will search for a new Kumari and install her as the living goddess."

Temple elders have also threatened to deprive Ms Sajani of the modest state pension that all former living goddesses receive when they lose their title on reaching puberty. Her replacement will be chosen from girls aged between two and four from the Buddhist Shakya family.

The girls undergo a rigorous selection procedure. The successful candidate must have the 32 attributes of perfection, which include the shape of her teeth and the pitch of her voice. She must not have any scars or wounds and must have perfect skin, hair and eyes.

It is also a requirement that she not be afraid of the dark. One of the last tests sees the small group of would-be goddesses placed in a dark room where they are surrounded by dancers wearing demonic masks and subjected to eerie noises.

It is believed that as the goddess would not be afraid of such things, the girl who is not scared by the experience should be the one chosen as the new Kumari.

As a final task, she selects her clothing from those worn by the previous living goddess. Living goddesses appear in public only very rarely for religious festivals, spending most of their time blessing devotees who visit their temple.

Once selected, living goddesses always wear red, pin up their hair in topknots and have a "third eye" painted on their forehead. Worshippers visiting them touch the goddess's feet with their foreheads - a symbol of the highest form of respect. But the living goddess tradition has its critics. They say that the practice breaks international and Nepalese laws regarding the rights of children.

The main Kumari, who lives in a palatial temple in Katmandu's Durbar Square, is only allowed outside for a small number of festivals, and she can only mix with playmates selected for her by temple officials.

Many former Kumaris remain unmarried and impoverished after losing their title, as Nepalese folklore holds that men who marry a former Kumari will die young.

The Nepalese government has recently shown a willingness to address the difficult conditions under which the tradition places young girls. Serving and retired Kumaris now receive a monthly pension of $40. Before the changes last year, former Kumaris had to survive on the offerings made to them by their devotees.

Edited by Dabulls23 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Something similar to what is shown in Water? The widows, even the child, are segregated by society, even used as prostitutes. Does that still happen? 😕

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Posted: 18 years ago
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/07/03/nepal.goddess.ap /index.html


here's the link raunaq and DB. its from CNN. DB its about the same goddess thats in your article. so what is to be done about such rituals that are openly practised for the whole world to see?

how do we help these young girls......or can we even help them at all?

should we continue to follow traditions or religious rituals when we know they are not right just for the sake of religion?

Edited by mittijalebi - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: reeps

Something similar to what is shown in Water? The widows, even the child, are segregated by society, even used as prostitutes. Does that still happen? 😕



i think it does, remember at the end of the movie, they showed the facts of how many millions of such widows still exist. i dont remember what exactly it said since i watched this movie last year when it was released but it said something about widows, so i guess it still happens with widows not sure about kids 😕 may be someone else would have the answer to your question.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mittijalebi

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/07/03/nepal.goddess.ap /index.html here's the link raunaq and DB. its from CNN. DB its about the same goddess thats in your article. so what is to be done about suchrituals that are openly practised for the whole world to see?


how do we help these young girls......or can we even help them at all?


should we continue to follow traditions or religious rituals when we know they are not right just for the sake of religion?



thanks for the link

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