UFOs: To Believe or Not to Believe - Page 2

When it comes to unidentified flying objects, unidentified aerial phenomena or unidentified anomalous phenomena, most reported incidents turn out to be hoaxes and/or explainable.

However, the tic-tac sighting that took place in 2004 is highly legitimate and highly credible. It involved a U.S. Navy Aegis cruiser, seven Hornet and Super Hornet strike fighter jets, and at least one pair of objects, which as of today, are still unidentified.

First, I will reproduce the event summary of that incident that took place on Nov' 2004 below. Most people may not fully understand the summary except those parts in plain English, but it's OK :)

110/100, 303/305, 401

FAST EAGLES 110/100 UPON TAKE OFF WERE VECTORED BY PRINCETON AND BANGER (1410L) TO INTERCEPT UNID CONTACT AT 160@40NM (N3050.8 W11746.9) (NIMITZ N3129.3 W11752.8). PRINCETON INFORMED FAST EAGLES THAT THE CONTACT WAS MOVING AT 100 KTS @ 25KFT ASL.

FAST EAGLES (110/100) COULD NOT FIND UNID AIRBORNE CONTACT AT LOCATION GIVEN BY PRINCETON. WHILE SEARCHING FOR UNID AIR CONTACT, FAST EAGLES SPOTTED LARGE UNID OBJECT IN WATER AT 1430L. PILOTS SAW STEAM/ SMOKE/CHURNING AROUND OBJECT. PILOT DESCRIBES OBJECT INITIALLY AS RESEMBLING A DOWNED AIRLINER, ALSO STATED THAT IT WAS MUCH LARGER THAN A SUBMARINE.

WHILE DESCENDING FROM 24K FT TO GAIN A BETTER VIEW OF THE UNID CONTACT IN THE WATER, FAST EAGLE 110 SIGHTED AN AIRBORNE CONTACT WHICH APPEARED TO BE CAPSULE SHAPED (WINGLESS, MOBILE, WHITE, OBLONG PILL SHAPED, 25-30 FEET IN LENGTH, NO VISIBLE MARKINGS AND NO GLASS) 5NM WEST FROM POSITION OF UNID OBJECT IN WATER.

CAPSULE (ALT 4K FT AT COURSE 300) PASSED UNDER FAST EAGLE 110 (ALT 16KFT). FAST EAGLE 110 BEGAN TURN TO ACQUIRE CAPSULE. WHILE 110 WAS DESCENDING AND TURNING, CAPSULE BEGAN CLIMBING AND TURNED INSIDE OF FAST EAGLE’S TURN RADIUS. PILOT ESTIMATED THAT CAPSULE ACHIEVED 600-700 KTS. FAST EAGLE 110 COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH THE RATE OF TURN AND THE GAIN OF ALTITUDE BY THE CAPSULE. 110 LOST VISUAL ID OF CAPSULE IN HAZE. LAST VISUAL CONTACT HAD CAPSULE AT 14KFT HEADING DUE EAST.

NEITHER FAST EAGLES 110 OR 100 COULD ACHIEVE RADAR LOCK OR ANY OTHER MEANS OF POSITIVE ID. FAST EAGLE 100 WAS FLYING HIGH COVER AND SAW THE ENGAGEMENT BY FAST EAGLE 110. FAST EAGLE 100 CONFIRMS 110 VISUAL ID; 100 LOST CONTACT IN HAZE AS WELL.

CPA OF ACFT 110 FROM CONTACT 4000-5000 FT.

More on the event and the explanations surrounding the event here: [popularmechanics.com/military/a14456936/that-time-the-us-navy-had-a-close-encounter-with-a-ufo/]

A summary of the above summary basically says that there were two unidentified objects. The first was a large underwater object that was much larger than a submarine. The second was a wingless white capsule shaped like an oblong pill. It was 24-30 feet long and had no visible markings or glass. It also did not emit hot jet exhaust typical of ordinary aircraft. This is the "tic-tac" that is a cause for concern.

The USS Princeton (aircraft carrier) was able to track the capsule via its SPY-1B radar system, but the fighters were not able to get a radar lock on the object. The capsule was not only more maneuverable than the Hornets but also much faster —for it to have reached the CAP point ahead of the Navy fighters it would have had to have flown in excess of 2,400 miles an hour.

One possibility offered as an explanation for the UAP was that the Super Hornet pilots, the Super Hornet’s electro-optical sensors and radars, and the USS Princeton’s radars all misinterpreted natural phenomena or malfunctioned at the same time.

Another possibility could be that the objects are actually operated by an arm of the U.S. government.  But, if the unidentified craft belonged to US, why they were operating dangerously close to US fighters was not answered. Per NY Times reports a pilot stated that an object appearing to be a sphere encased in a cube almost caused a mid-air collision.

The capsule couldn't possibly have been manned since it would exert G-forces beyond a human can withstand even if the human in question were fitted with a g-suit. To the uninitiated, changes in speed (acceleration or deceleration) are expressed in multiples of gravitational acceleration, or 'G'. Untrained individuals can withstand up to 6G. Fighter pilots can manage up to about 9G for a second or two. Beyond that, you would need special g-suit that restricts blood from leaving the upper body and brain. But no material can withstand such speeds of acceleration or deceleration exhibited by the tic-tac UAP.

Originally posted by: la_Reine

There was also news once that there is a planet/solar system found with humans like us but is way more advanced than Earth. However, if that was true, wouldn't they have communicated with us by now?

That's not true, we are yet to find any planet with any kind of life. In fact, we have not yet found any planet or moon that could be suitable for life. 

About communication, Space is vast and empty. Even light takes years and years to reach from one space to another. There needs to be really advanced tech for not only sending but also receiving any such communication. We as a Civilization are really in the early stages of technological advancement. JWST is just getting started. Scientists hope to find life sustaining planet through it 

Thanks for that link, will try it later. I was so excited when this news came out. But overall, people treated it with skepticism. The same way they are treating this UAP hearing. I saw interview of one of the Pilots involved, he said the radars of the US Navy were able to detect these objects. And,one of his colleagues told him about seeing them but he couldn't record. So, this guy decided to Lookout and try to record. Earlier, I couldn't understand the talks about the G force involved, but watching Top Gun made me understand what it means.😆

Curious thing is, the stories about UAPs mostly come out from Western nation. The rest of the World doesn't talk about it as much.

If you watch Ancient Apocalypse, it is speculated Humans had advanced tech earlier. Lot of cultures have stories about some being coming to them and teaching them different things. Some people speculate these beings to be Alien.

Originally posted by: devashree_h

If you watch Ancient Apocalypse, it is speculated Humans had advanced tech earlier. Lot of cultures have stories about some being coming to them and teaching them different things. Some people speculate these beings to be Alien.

Our 21st century human brain may be incapable of comprehending their technologies. Scientists believe that the human brain evolves over time. In other words, the human brain instills all our forefathers' knowledge, which is contained in its DNA. Thus, it is nearly impossible to comprehend objects that are millions of light years away using materialistic means. Whereas Rishis and great saints, through spiritual methods, travel in time without limitations, obtain knowledge, and enlighten mankind.

When you read the Mahabharat, you might be skeptical about the use of high-tech weapons.  How can individuals who ride horses, elephants, and other primitive resources wield modern weapons? On the one hand, the Mahabharata mentions rudimentary methods such as bows and arrows, chariots, elephants, forts, and so on.  However, it discusses high-tech weapons, Pushpak viman, fighters who can withstand unusual weapons, and so on. What exactly happened? When we investigate the origins of numerous events in the Mahabharata, we can see evidence of a tremendous Alien presence. These Aliens' technology may be millions of light years ahead of ours.  

Most of the weapons mentioned were high-tech, and with no traces of them manufactured on this planet, the only possibility of obtaining them is from aliens. I believe,  Advanced Weapons, launchers and armored vehicles were received from Aliens [ such as  Vaayu, Agni, Sun, Varun, Yama(elements) Shiva, Indra, and Brahma, and were used along with mundane bows, arrows, and chariots in the Mahabharat.

The British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking said he is almost certain that alien life exists in other parts of the universe, "To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational. The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like". He believes alien life not only certainly exists on planets but perhaps even in other places, like within stars or even floating in outer space. He has also warned that a few of these species might be intelligent and threaten Earth.

Devi❤️, according to one theory, the Devas and the Asuras are Aliens who belong to outer worlds and were always in dispute with each other in their respective planets. The Deva's are authorized to take care of the administration (probably) of this galaxy or a dimension of space. The Asuras who are rebels against the authority of Devas habitually try to capture the Deva's core planet "Devaloka".  But Devas defeat them at times by their own power or seek the help of the universal superpowers or scientifically infinitely advanced trinities like "Brahma", "Vishnu" and "Shiva". These infinite superpowers take Avatars and contain the Asuras! 

The human body is probably the best instrument to live in earthly conditions, but genetically modifying their DNA to withstand powerful weapons. The Aliens took birth in different human bodies by way of natural and artificial means! From Mahabharath we could understand that the Aliens not only provided weapons but also participated in the war. Their biological structure was also strong enough to withstand powerful weapons, while ordinary humans died in millions. The Aliens used high technologies such as human cloning, in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, embryonic stem cells, sperm preservation, etc. to establish their footprints in Earth??!! 

I do want to add an interesting thought about the "Mayan calendar.".  The ancient Mayans (present-day Mexico) were supposed to be in contact with the Aliens.  The ancient Mayans (present-day Mexico) were said to have had contact with Aliens. "Luis Augusto Garcia Rosado," the tourism minister for the Mexican state of Campeche, has stated that new evidence of "contact between the Mayans and extraterrestrials has emerged, supported by translations of certain codices, which the government has kept secure in underground vaults for some time." He also mentioned "3,000-year-old landing pads in the jungle." All of this is relevant because the Mayan calendar begins on August 11, 3114 BC, which happens to be the same year as the birth of Yudhishtra and two years before the birth of Krishna.  Is this a hint of something extraordinary or just a coincidence? Difficult to decide for me😊

I don't believe our Gods are Aliens. They are different altogether.  Aliens would be creations, just like us.

Regarding MB war, high tech weapons- Shastras & Astras were used. But they were achieved by the user over a period of time, to be used only when required. How did the user got them? By doing penance for a particular time period. One who gave them were not Aliens. They were, are Supreme entities of our Brahmand. They used to get pleased by worshiper's penance, firm request & grant a boon, in form of a Shastra or Astra.

How did they use them during the war? By meditating to concerned Deity, using a mantra, they were able to call the Astras. They knew how to manifest them. Once the purpose is served, user should know how to send it back. Otherwise the Astra, will continue destroying other humans, animals etc.

In History, there is an incident of Maa Tulja Bhawani,  giving a Sward to Shivaji, known as Bhawani talwar now. Was Maa Bhawani an Alien?

No. She is a Supreme Entity, with an amazingly powerful energy field & Source of the energy Herself.

She resides in the realm, capable of bearing Her energy field, called as Her Loka. 

Do people have such knowledge today? Answer is, yes. This knowledge is kept secretive. is given to spiritually developed people, who may use it only for higher purpose. 

Regarding Aliens, they must be roaming around to see if they can make any friends, alliance with people of Earth. 😆

The concept of UFOs, UAPs, has wast scope. Just give it to a marketing team to explore the scope. World will be full of Alien theme products, movies, comics etc. 😆

Above para is my sincere contribution to this thread. 😆 Rest is just a thought on Viswasruti's posts. 😊

Thanks devashree_h.

Whether those that we call Gods, are actually not aliens, but have better technology and tools from another planet. or a way beyond our perception, the beings of the higher sphere,  higher realm entities beyond our comprehension!

Our current understanding of the universe is a small island in a vast ocean of ignorance, [ not used in a derogatory sense], i.e., what we still don't know. 

 It would be stunning to learn all at once about the discoveries of an alien culture that has been doing scientific and technical research for billions of years, as opposed to our few centuries. This principle was formalised in the third of Arthur C. Clarke's three laws: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." In other words, individuals of such a civilisation would look to us as a close match to God!! 

Is there something we might be missing here and now? When looking around us, the most mysterious phenomenon we encounter routinely is the sophistication of complex life. 

Some scientists pondered if an alien culture seeded life on Earth through a procedure known as "directed panspermia." ( Panspermia is the hypothesis, first proposed in the 5th century BCE by the Greek philosopher Anaxagoras,  that life exists throughout the Universe, distributed by space dust, meteoroids, asteroids, comets, and planetoids, as well as by spacecraft carrying unintended contamination by microorganisms! )

Devi and Mina ❤️, Now a basic question that arises is, were these technologically advanced states in ancient periods, such as during the period of Mahabharata, the result of human effort alone? Or was it some alien technology?

Answering this question will be difficult. If we assume that these technologies were the result of human effort alone, then we should explain why we lost them subsequently. Is there any memory or record in our ancient texts where it explains that we lost the ability to use a celestial-weapon (divya-astras), by invoking a voice-signature (Mantra) due to a certain cause? Was it Kurukshetra war that lead to the fall of ancient Indian technology and science to medieval levels? Kurukshetra War was indeed a colossal war that had cut into ancient Indian society, creating deep wounds difficult to heal. It had caused terrible loss of people and wealth. But from the Mahabharata we learn that it was not an end. Life continued and new kings emerged. So I am unable to conclude that we lost all our technology and science in the Kurukshetra war, even if it were a nuclear war, as many researchers think. Similarly, I find it difficult to conclude that the technology mentioned in Mahabharata and other ancient texts were purely the result of human effort alone, that was lost due to some human-created catastrophe like the Kurukshetra war.

On the contrary we have many references in Mahabharata and ancient Indian texts, where the source of technology is mentioned as 'non-human' means Divine. The source of technological wonders such as the celestial-weapons (Divya-Astras), flying-vehicles (Vimanas), flying-cities, space-cities, rapidly emerging cities (cities built in a few days) were all attributed to Devas and Asuras, especially to the architects among them viz. Viswakarma and Maya. It is a popular theory among many researchers that Devas and Asuras were aliens from other planets. This is in conflict with another view that they were all humans. So where does the truth lie?

If possible, please read this book. Heavens on Earth. Is faith in intelligent extraterrestrial life simply another manifestation of our religious impulse? Heavens on Earth is the Scientific Search for the Afterlife, Immortality, and Utopia >> Michael Shermer's new book.

In a series of four studies titled 'We Are Not Alone: The Meaning Motive, Religiosity, and Belief in Extraterrestrial Intelligence,' psychologist Clay Routledge and his colleagues discovered that participants who report low religiosity have a higher belief in intelligent extraterrestrial life existing elsewhere in the universe. This propensity piques the curiosity of science writer and skeptic Michael Shermer, who claims that "religions have no more evidence for God than scientists have for extraterrestrials." 

But, whether the scientists agree or not, but I believe in God and have felt His presence nearer to me. 

These two beliefs are as devoid of evidence as one other, yet both satisfy the all-too-human urge to be comforted by the concept of another world, whether it takes the form of moral and benevolent sky gods or technologically advanced aliens.  

Edited by Viswasruti - 9 months ago

Originally posted by: devashree_h

That's not true, we are yet to find any planet with any kind of life. In fact, we have not yet found any planet or moon that could be suitable for life. 

About communication, Space is vast and empty. Even light takes years and years to reach from one space to another. There needs to be really advanced tech for not only sending but also receiving any such communication. We as a Civilization are really in the early stages of technological advancement. JWST is just getting started. Scientists hope to find life sustaining planet through it 

My cousin told me that there was an account on Twitter which predicted COVID before it actually happened, and so far all their predictions came true. It even predicted that by 2030 we would be able to communicate with dead people. Then that account disappeared.😕 I do find these things hard to believe but I'm always fascinated with these stories.😆

Originally posted by: devashree_h

I don't believe our Gods are Aliens. They are different altogether.  Aliens would be creations, just like us.

How would this theory explain the differing religions then? Do all these aliens follow a different religion?😆