Originally posted by: heartbleed
So according to who have read the original Mahabharata here,
Karna was amost a devil and monster. He was a sexual molester and child trafficker.
and
Panchali was almost a goddess. She was an innocent, pure and poor soul who did not utter any bad word against anyone.
Nice.
i don't see anyone here yet calling Panchali a goddess. We simply refuted the nonsense from TV shows. if you have ANY version - not fan fiction or adaptation - which proves 1) andhe ka putr 2) blood bath 3) curses on Kurus, please do post the citation with link.
Here go the citations for Karna.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01130.htm
"When that terrible poison intended for thedestruction of Bhima failed of its effect, Duryodhana. Karna and Sakuni,without giving up their wicked design had recourse to numerous othercontrivances for accomplishing the death of the Pandavas. And though everyone of these contrivances was fully known to the Pandavas, yet in accordancewith the advice of Vidura they suppressed their indignation.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01144.htm
"Vaisampayana said, 'Then the son of Suvala(Sakuni), king Duryodhana, Duhsasana and Kama, in consultation with oneanother, formed an evil conspiracy. With the sanction of Dhritarashtra, theking of the Kurus, they resolved to burn to death Kunti and her (five) sons.
CE, Vol 2, 286 (61)
On hearing these words, a great roar arose from all those who were in the sabha.They approved of Vikarna and censured Soubala. When the noise died down, Radheya, whowas almost senseless with anger, gripped his lustrous arms212 and uttered these words, “Ihave witnessed many distortions in Vikarna. Like fire destroys the block from which it hasbeen kindled, his destruction will come from the fire he has created. Though urged byKrishna, those who are assembled here have not uttered a word. I consider that Drupada’sdaughter has been won in accordance with dharma, and so do they. O son of Dhritarashtra!Out of childishness, you alone are being torn to bits. Though but a child, you speak in thissabha what should be spoken by elders. O Duryodhana’s younger brother! You do not knowthe reality of what dharma is. Like one with limited intelligence, you proclaim that Krishna
has not been won, when she has been won. O Dhritarashtra’s son! How can you think thatKrishna has not been won? In this sabha, the eldest Pandava staked everything he possessed.O bull among the Bharata lineage! Droupadi is included in all his possessions. When Krishnahas been won in accordance with dharma, how can you think she has not been won?Droupadi was mentioned in the speech and the Pandava approved. According to what reasondo you then think that she has not been won? If you think that bringing her into the sabhawhen she is clad in only a single garment is against dharma, listen to the words I have to sayin response. O descendant of the Kuru lineage!213 It has been ordained by the gods that awoman should only have one husband. However, she submits to many and it is thereforecertain that she is a courtesan. It is my view that there is nothing surprising in her beingbrought into the sabha in a single garment, or even if she is naked. In accordance withdharma, Soubala has won all the riches the Pandavas possessed, including her andthemselves. O Duhshasana! This Vikarna is only a child, though he speaks words of wisdom.Strip away the garments from the Pandavas and Droupadi.”
CE, Vol 2, 288(63)
Karna said, “There are three who can own no property—a slave, a student and a woman. Ofortunate one! You are the wife of a slave and have nothing of your own. You have no lordand are like the property of slaves. Enter226 and serve us. That is the task for you in thishousehold. O Princess! All the sons of Dhritarashtra are now your masters and not the sons ofPritha. O beautiful one! Choose another one for your husband, one who will not make you aslave through gambling. Remember the eternal rule among slaves. Sexual acts with one’smasters are never censured. Nakula, Bhimasena, Yudhishthira, Sahadeva and Arjuna havebeen won over. O Yajnaseni! Enter as a slave. The ones who have been won over can no
longer be your husbands. Valour and virility are of no use to Partha227 now. In the middle ofthe sabha, he has gambled away the daughter of Drupada, the king of Panchala.”’
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08038.htm
If that does not satisfy the person that discovers Arjunato me, I will make him a more valuable gift, that, indeed, which he himselfwill solicit. Sons, wives and articles of pleasure and enjoyment that Ihave, these all I shall give him if he desires them.
This was not hyperbole. This was an outright offer.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08040.htm
Evidenceof Karna's casteism and misgyny. It'sabout 6 or 7 pages long.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08045.htm
Shalya said, "The abandonment of the afflicted andthe sale of wives and children are, O Karna, prevalent amongst the Angas whoseking thou art
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05029.htm
Duryodhana is a big tree of evil passions; Karna is itstrunk; Sakuni is its branches; Dussasana forms its abundant blossoms
p. 51
and fruits; (while) the wise king Dhritarashtra is itstoots.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08091.htm
Then Vasudeva, stationed on the car, addressed Karna,saying, "By good luck it is, O son of Radha, that thou rememberest virtue!It is generally seen that they that are mean, when they sink into distress,rail at Providence but never at their own misdeeds. Thyself and Suyodhanaand Duhshasana and Shakuni, the son of Subala, had caused Draupadi, clad in asingle piece of raiment, to be brought into the midst of the assembly. On thatoccasion, O Karna, this virtue of thine did not manifest itself. When atthe assembly Shakuni, an adept in dice, vanquished Kunti's son Yudhishthira whowas unacquainted with it, whither had this virtue of thine gone? When the Kuruking (Duryodhana), acting under thy counsels, treated Bhimasena in that waywith the aid of snakes and poisoned food, whither had this virtue of thine thengone? When the period of exile into the woods was over as also the thirteenthyear, thou didst not make over to the Pandavas their kingdom. Whither had thisvirtue of thine then gone? Thou didst set fire to the house of lac atVaranavata for burning to death the sleeping Pandavas. Whither then, O son ofRadha, had this virtue of thine gone? Thou laughedest at Krishna while shestood in the midst of the assembly, scantily dressed because in her season andobedient to Duhshasana's will, whither, then, O Karna, had this virtue of thinegone? When from the apartment reserved for the females innocent Krishna wasdragged, thou didst not interfere. Whither, O son of Radha, had this virtue ofthine gone? Thyself addressing the princess Draupadi, that lady whose tread isas dignified as that of the elephant, in these words, viz., 'The Pandavas, OKrishna, are lost. They have sunk into eternal hell. Do thou choose anotherhusband!' thou lookedest on the scene with delight. Whither then, O Karna, hadthis virtue of thine gone? Covetous of kingdom and relying on the ruler ofthe Gandharvas, thou summonedest the Pandavas (to a match of dice). Whitherthen had this virtue of thine gone? When many mighty car-warriors, encompassingthe boy Abhimanyu in battle, slew him, whither had this virtue of thine thengone? If this virtue that thou now invokest was nowhere on those occasions,what is the use then of parching thy palate now, by uttering that word? Thouart now for the practice of virtue, O Suta, but thou shalt not escape withlife. Like Nala who was defeated by Pushkara with the aid of dice but whoregained his kingdom by prowess, the Pandavas, who are free from cupidity, willrecover their kingdom by the prowess of their arms, aided with all theirfriends. Having slain in battle their powerful foes, they, with the Somakas,will recover their kingdom. The Dhartarashtras will meet with destruction atthe hands of those lions among men (viz., the sons of Pandu), that are alwaysprotected by virtue!'"
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