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Posted: 1 months ago

Please help me with this - 


1 Where is it mentioned that Panchal was candidate for emperor? 


2 Did division of half the kingdom to Drona have any effect on Panchal's power? 


3 Indraprastha Army fought from Pandava's side, I read Karna got Anga back after Yudhistira lost his Kingdom to Duryodhana, Panchal must have accepted Yudhistira as emperor, when Yudhistira lost his Kingdom, how did Panchal fight from Pandava's side?


I actually have no knowledge on how emperor worked and what power did they have on other kingdom, please help, Thanks

Posted: 1 months ago

The prominence of Kuru Panchal dynasties is mentioned over and over in MBh. It is not a single citation. 


If you are looking for one single citation, the Karna Shalya conversation would be it.


Since swayamvar happened after half of Panchal was lost, and the Kaurava side was still worried, I'm assuming it means Panchal didn't lose much of the power.


Indraprasth army fought from SUYODHANA'S side. The only armies Pandavas had belonged to in-laws, mostly Panchalas. 


I've recently learned that Rajasuya doesn't necessarily mean the winning king had absolutely authority over vassals. So yeah, Panchal was free to fight for whomever.


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Edited to add: Indrajit Bandyopadhyay's articles on the politics of Aryavarta are awesome. He fails when he ventures into psychoanalysis of characters, because the biases are very evident, but the politics-focused articles are very informative.

Edited by HearMeRoar - 1 months ago
Posted: 1 months ago

Originally posted by HearMeRoar


The prominence of Kuru Panchal dynasties is mentioned over and over in MBh. It is not a single citation. 


If you are looking for one single citation, the Karna Shalya conversation would be it.


Since swayamvar happened after half of Panchal was lost, and the Kaurava side was still worried, I'm assuming it means Panchal didn't lose much of the power.


Indraprasth army fought from SUYODHANA'S side. The only armies Pandavas had belonged to in-laws, mostly Panchalas. 


I've recently learned that Rajasuya doesn't necessarily mean the winning king had absolutely authority over vassals. So yeah, Panchal was free to fight for whomever.


------


Edited to add: Indrajit Bandyopadhyay's articles on the politics of Aryavarta are awesome. He fails when he ventures into psychoanalysis of characters, because the biases are very evident, but the politics-focused articles are very informative.


Thank You 

I want to read more on Panchal, is there any literature on Panchal? 

Edited by NoraSM - 1 months ago
Posted: 1 months ago

Originally posted by NoraSM


Please help me with this - 


1 Where is it mentioned that Panchal was candidate for emperor? 


2 Did division of half the kingdom to Drona have any effect on Panchal's power? 


3 Indraprastha Army fought from Pandava's side, I read Karna got Anga back after Yudhistira lost his Kingdom to Duryodhana, Panchal must have accepted Yudhistira as emperor, when Yudhistira lost his Kingdom, how did Panchal fight from Pandava's side?


I actually have no knowledge on how emperor worked and what power did they have on other kingdom, please help, Thanks


#2 - one thing I don't then get is that if Drona became the ruler of Ahicchatra (the other half of Drupad's kingdom), why did he still feel beholden to Hastinapur?  His transaction w/ them was complete - he had taught their princes, and gotten his gurudakshina.


#3 - no, the Indraprastha army did not fight on the Pandava side.  There was no Indraprastha army - it became a part of the Hastinapur army during those 13 years.  The Pandavas had no army of their own, just the armies of their allies - Panchala, Srinjaya, Kekaya, Matsya, et al.


Karna never lost Anga in the first place: his defeat by Bhima meant that he had to pay tribute, and recognize Yudhisthir as his overlord.  In other words, had Yudhisthir ever gone to war w/ anybody, Karna would have had to support him militarily.  That obligation was gone once Yudhisthir lost Indraprastha.


Anyway, marriage was one exemption that kingdoms had to not go by their allegiances.  The Kauravas didn't expect Panchala, Chedi, Magadha or any other kingdom to support them.  In the case of Madra, Shalya wasn't exactly obligated to support the Pandavas, which is why they successfully hijacked him into switching sides

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