What was Sita's and Laxman's words...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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The purpose of this post is to share what I read
As there has been lots of discussions around
what Sita spoke,what Laxman spoke(Valmiki Ramyan) just before haran
Sita was rude, Laxman never insulted women
No Laxmnan was rude too,Sita was even more rude in the epic
So much confusion after reading the posts and arguments of different members
Today On the day of Sita haran in SKR
Again arguments and discussion on whether Sita could commit suicide
She was strong,so what if she was strong
Doesn't the thought of killing onself comes as a flash when faced with problem
what was there in the Valmiki Ramayan

Yesterday and Today happened to read few replies of
SKR writer to few questions posed at him
Just to post a few


Utkarsh Naithani @utkarshnaithani

@siyarambhakt Please see Aranya Kand 45th Sarg Shlok 29to33. And since you were asking me to Read Valmiki again, I'm sure u have access :)


Utkarsh Naithani @utkarshnaithani

@mayadanthe @UNSFP @ItsDvya She isn't like that from the beginning. Do refer to Valmiki Ramayan. He showed Seeta even attempting suicide.

Utkarsh Naithani @utkarshnaithani

@mayadanthe @UNSFP @ItsDvya She's about to use her own hair like rope and hang herself. It's a journey... Discovering your Strength :)


Since I am no expert in Valmiki Ramyan

I tried reading what he has mentioned and found the below

U can share the opinions on the same

Note:No bashing of SKR team or actors

This post is not about distortions,Just sharing knowledge and opinions

So it will be useful for me and others who aren't much knowledged about Valmiki Ramyan

Kindly let me know if anything needed to be corrected as I said I am no expert

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Sita:

On identifying the grievous voice that is identifiable with her husband's voice, Seetha spoke to Lakshmana, "you go at once, and check up on Raghava.'
"I have heard the loud yelling voice of highly fretful Rama whereby my heart, or my very entity, is not abiding in its place, and it will be apt of you to protect such a brother of yours who is screaming in the forest.
"He might have come under the subjugation of demons as with a bull coming under the seize of lions, hence, you hurry up so as to near such a brother of yours who is seeking protection." So said Seetha toi Lakshmana.

Although she spoke a lot to him in this way, Lakshmana on his part has not moved out remembering his brother's order to stay guard to Seetha, and hence that Janaki, the daughter of Janaka, who is already agitated for Rama further spoke to him in the paradox of his not going out of hermitage

Sita:
"You are like a foe of your brother in friend's mien, Soumitri, as you are not making a move towards a brother even if he is in an emergency
"Because of me you wish Rama to be completely destroyed, and only because of your cupidity for me you are not following up on Raghava. It is definite
(The 'real' woman in Seetha is coming out. From now on, she goes on talking unhesitatingly, unilaterally and even abusively because her mind is fuddled with the thought 'some damage is being done to her husband.')
" 'Raghava in direst strait' is the most liked thing to you, thus I deem, as you have no heart for that brother, and as you complacently stay behind even when that great-resplendent Rama is unseen
"After which helmsman you have come here that Rama is undergoing an uncertainty of life-and-death, as such I indeed wonder what business you have here now in staying with me at this hermitage?" Seetha spoke so to Lakshmana.

Lakshmana spoke to Seetha, the princess from Videha kingdom, who is talking deluged under tears and anguish in that way, as she is fretful like a she-deer.

Laxman:
"Oh, Vaidehi, your husband is an impossible one for vincibility by serpents, asura-s, gandharva-s, gods, fiends, demons, no doubt about it.
"Oh, auspicious one, unmarked is some combatant who can counterattack Rama from among gods, humans, gandharva-s, birds, ogres, kinnaraa-s, beasts, or oh, lady, even from horrendous demons, as Rama vies with Indra in any given war.
"It is inapt of you to talk that way as Rama is inextirpable in a given war, and as for me, I do not venture to abandon you in this forest in the absence of Raghava.
"Let the most forceful Crowns with all their military forces, or, all of the gods together with their heads, why they, let all the three worlds put together come mutinously, whether jointly or severally, Rama's prowess is irrestrainable.
"Hence, let your heart be diverted and anxiety divested, as your husband will be returning soon on killing that extraordinary deer.
"Evidently it is not the voice of Rama, nor that of any other god, but someone mimicked that voice for chicanery, and that must be the illusory voice of that demon Maareecha, similar in effect to the magical city of gandharva-s usually created by magicians in general.
"And you are an entrustment, oh, best lady Vaidehi, as the great-souled Rama has entrusted you in my security, as such I do not dare to leave you off now. [
"Oh, gracious lady, we have become the adversaries of these night-walkers insofar as the elimination of Khara and others, and concerning the eradication of Janasthaana.
"The demons are the swaggerers in violence in great forests and they will be employing various voices. Therefore Vaidehi, just do not bother about it." Thus Lakshmana advised Seetha.

As for Seetha, she became furious on hearing Lakshmana's words of advice, and while her eyes are becoming bloodshot she spoke these rude sentences to that veracious Lakshmana.

Sita:
"You are haranguing all these sermons only on noticing hardship to Rama. It is unsurprising that the pitiless ones and rivals of your kind, who always behave in a cloak-and dagger way, will tend to commit deadly sins, Lakshmana, and it is not uncommon.
"You are verily maleficent for you have singly and covertly followed Rama, who started to forests all alone, or instigated by Bharata, only because of me.
(The covert operation of Lakshmana as instantly surmised by Seetha is that, 'when one half-brother Bharata can snatch the kingdom from Rama, you, the other half-brother, can snatch away his wife, hence you have come with covert intentions, on your own, leaving all your kinsfolk. Or, Bharata wanted me too along with the kingdom, so he might have instigated you to fetch me for him, after Rama's death, thus he covertly sent 'you' alone.')
"Whether this is an intrigue of yours or that of Bharata it is unachievable, Saumitri. How can I long for another commoner when I have put my faith only in the lotus-blue-complexioned and lotus-bright-eyed husband of mine, Rama?
"If that comes to that, I will just discard my life in your presence, Soumitri do not mistake it. I do not eke out an existence on this earth even for a moment without Rama." Thus Seetha threatened Lakshmana

When that self-mortified Lakshmana is addressed in this way with hair-raising and acerbic words by Seetha, he spoke to her suppliantly adjoining his palm-fold.

Laxman:(This part in bold red is what the writer mentions I guess)
"I do not venture to reply you Maithili, as you are like a deity to me. Women using words that are in a class by themselves is not at all surprising. This sort of bringing stilted words into play is the nature of women and it is obvious in the world.
"Women by their nature are unbound by the etiquette of decency, whimsical, cantankerous and they tend to become the artificers of vicissitudes, and oh, Vaidehi, the daughter of Janaka, indeed unbearable are this kind of words that are much the same as burnt iron arrows thrust in between my two ears.
"Let all of the forest-itinerants indeed listen as to how you are addressing me with bitter words, though I am reasoning with you conscientiously, and let them become my corroborators for the sake of justice.
"Fie upon you, you are acrimoniously tempered owing to your faminality, and by which impulsive reason you mistrust me who am presently abiding in my brother's order, may God damn you for that crotchety.
"I am going there where Rama is, oh, lady with best visage, you be blest, and oh, broad-eyed one, let all of the forest deities protect you.
"Gauging by those dangerous forebodings that are now bidding fair, can I to see you again along with Rama on my return, or not? That I do not know." Thus Lakshmana spoke to Seetha

(Lakshmana is repeatedly addressing Seetha as 'a broad-eyed-lady,' suggesting that 'though you have broad-eyes, but your mental perception is not that broad' 'as your eyes are belying your faculties.' 'And as 'the daughter of Janaka,' that is the 'daughter of a judicious person, yet unable to discriminate.' And as Vaidehi that is, one 'coming from Videha province.' Videha also means 'without body.' You are some supernatural, yet that demon beguiled you,' so on.

Lakshmana said Seetha 'be lost in desolation...' in the first instance and further said that she 'be blest...' and seeks the help of pastoral divinities to protect Seetha in his absence. This appears self-contradictory on the part of Lakshmana. But it is held correct, for he uttered derogatory words in the first instance as a vexed person and then, on knowing what that is suddenly uttered by him, he is correcting himself in saying that 'she be blest...' He wished her to prosper as she belongs to Rama. Whatever belongs to Rama that cannot be ridiculed, especially his mother-like elder sister-in-law.)

When Lakshmana spoke to that wailful daughter of Janaka, she on her part spoke this curt sentence to him, while tears whelmed her to a fault.

Sita:"I drink deadly poison, or I enter a flaring fire, but I will never touch another man other than Raghava.

(With regard to touching another man, some texts say the word kadaapi 'never' and some padaa api 'by foot, even.' 'I do not touch any other man even with my foot.' This signifies 'marriage.' In marriages there is a custom for the newly weds, like handshake and pressing toes of one another, in order to acclimatise one with the other's body touch. Here, if this paadaa api is taken as that custom in marriages. Thus she says that 'in the process of marriages such foot-pressing of bride and bridegroom occurs, hence I do not wish to undergo such situations.' As such, this is not mere touching someone with her foot.

These intimidations of Seetha that she will commit suicide by consuming poison, hanging, plunging in river, self-immolation etc., are not new to Seetha or to any woman, under these irksome situations. She is giving many alternatives for suicide and the last one is self-immolation. If she is not going to die by hanging herself, or by consuming poison, or by drowning in river, then the question of self-immolation comes up. But she lists all of them in her anguish for Rama. With the same impetuosity she jumps into fire in the episode of agni praveshanam after war, when Rama belittles her. There also, she orders the very same Lakshmana to arrange pyre for her, disregarding her own accusations made at Lakshmana, at this situation.)

Seetha on declaring to Lakshmana in this way, she who is anguished and weeping bitterly, then started to smite her belly with both of her palms in a heightened agony.

Observing the agonised aspect of Seetha that cheerless Saumitri started to cheer her up by repeatedly informing that her husband Rama will come soon. Even then Seetha has not spoken in the least to the brother of her husband, and maintained a silence of antipathy.
But then, holding Seetha in usual reverence that self-respectful Lakshmana briefly came to her fore making a reverential palm-fold that briefly, and then he proceeded to the proximity of Rama, while repeatedly looking back at that lonely lady in the thick of forest.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Mano I have not read valmiki ramayana but after reading the text below and i found the words used for siya and women rude and harsh.

I like skr ram version. I also love how skr is showing siya as strong. In my opinion siya was strong. She is ram 's strength.



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thanks for the post deary 😳🤗

btw i had really no idea about any version .. SKR was the reason I got interest nd asked even dad to buy book for me .. thats wat our team achieved 😆

but i m glad to get to knw about this nd i can say I liked wat SKR showed

I though few epis Siya nd laku was harsh in those arguments now after seeing this i dont knw wat to say .. but in SKR lakshman rekha I really lyked they potrayal .. 😊

now i would say i m happy that we didnt got this .. well our team toh didnt say they followe valmiki only ..😉

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Mano🤗 I forgot to say thank you for the post
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Originally posted by: Thushi

thanks for the post deary 😳🤗


btw i had really no idea about any version .. SKR was the reason I got interest nd asked even dad to buy book for me .. thats wat our team achieved 😆

but i m glad to get to knw about this nd i can say I liked wat SKR showed

I though few epis Siya nd laku was harsh in those arguments now after seeing this i dont knw wat to say .. but in SKR lakshman rekha I really lyked they potrayal .. 😊

now i would say i m happy that we didnt got this .. well our team toh didnt say they followe valmiki only ..😉


So sweet thushi that you asked your dad to buy the book 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Neither sitas intention was to insult lakshman nor lakshmans intention was to insult womankind. Better we should read full valmiki Ramayana to understand its significance. Sita and lakshman were not gray shaded. I don't know what this skr writer wants to convey.
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Though i have never read Valmiki Ramayan, my mom told me that Valmiki's sita was really a very strong woman and Ram was very human not as divine as Tulsidas Ramayan..
SKR never said they r following Valmiki or Tulsidas or Kambhan Ramayam but they have extracted the best out of all and presented the best to us.. Also it has beautifully managed to fight against present day evils by making their Ram speak up about those issues.. And i can proudly say that SKR's Ram is the best written Ram ever on indian tv.. (Not talking about Lord Ram here but different versions of Ram shown on tv)

I read somewhere in the forum that in Valmiki Ramayan Ram bad mouths about his parents and Sita said to Ram " i didnt know that my father has married me off to a woman " ...
SKR's version of Sita and Ram are far better than this.


Even i was not that fond of Sita Lakshman track.. but when i read this i know wat skr writers tried to do.. If Lakshman was really like this and Sita too was really like the way written here, our makers gave us equivalent arguments much b4 the actual Haran taking place... Various parallels for Haran nd Lakshman Rekha were drawn.. They showed SiLa arguing in a similar way written here..
But wen the time for real events came, they had grown.. They were much more calm sply Sita has been shown so calm and Lakshman's rude words towards womankind have been chopped off as he has already grown from that state ...

Basically SKR gave a character growth for SiLa and their equation keeping Ram as a god like human who observes and analyses everything b4 taking action or speaking anything nd there's nothing wrong in it..

TFS Mano 😃


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thanks a lot for sharing this!!!
In fact,I liked SKR's version of Lakshman-Sita argument before the haran more than their other arguments that they had before...

And to be honest,considering the original text,it felt a bit weird Sita accusing Lakshman in that manner considering they had already spent 13 years together,I mean in those 13 years,she got the opportunity to understand Lakshman as much as Ram
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Originally posted by: sd16

Neither sitas intention was to insult lakshman nor lakshmans intention was to insult womankind. Better we should read full valmiki Ramayana to understand its significance. Sita and lakshman were not gray shaded. I don't know what this skr writer wants to convey.


It's not about SKR writers
It is about what was written in Valmiki Ramayan
was the above not part of Valmiki Ramyan?
If u think the intention of the above part in
Valmiki Ramyan was different
U can explain what actually Sita and Laxman meant by this,
instead of bringing SKR writers in random
That would help us more
As I said this post is not about distortion
Edited by -Mano- - 9 years ago

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