5.14 - Will Louis break?

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reshamc

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Posted: 9 years ago

The actual trial started!

The mock trial happened!

Mike won the mock trial, sort of!

Donna broke down! God, did that really happen??!!!

In an episode where so much happened, all I really care about is - Will Louis deflect from the cause?? I refuse to believe he will ever betray Jessica. But we all know he is the weakest mentally. And Gibbs also has Sheila, another of his pressing points. When things get difficult, his mind always concentrates on what all can go wrong. And in this case, his whole life can go to waste.

I am not so sure he will take the immunity. But he sure as hell is going to give some serious thought into it. Which is bad! And if Harvey gets to know, it will be SO MUCH WORSE!

PS. I still can't get over how easily Gibbs threw Donna off her game😲😲 How?? How can one single list of names get to her? Hope they explain what really happened with that paper. I still cannot believe how much it affected her.

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blacklambo

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Posted: 9 years ago

Doubt Louis will deflect from the cause even though it seemingly appears he might.

He told Shiela that she doesn't know Mike like he does (Shiela abruptly ended her phone convo with Louis from Argentina. Will she show up back in the US court?).
He told Jessica in an earlier episode that working with Mike taught him that you don't have to be a Harvard graduate to be a good lawyer.
Louis told Donna that he was letting her go & work for Harvey coz Jessica didn't think he was a team player. Would love for him to meet Anita Gibbs to show his interest but turn that very thing against her in court 😉. If she is accusing him of witness tampering, he can do the same now.
In the episode, when Jessica asked him to plead Fifth, he preferred that she as the head of PSL state in court that Mike went to Harvard. Jessica said exactly the same to Anita Gibbs not 5 minutes later in his & Harvey's presence.
Can he stand up to the dream team of Mike-Harvey or with them, especially after Harvey ripped Trevor's testimony to shreds?

Louis is always emotionally charged until reasoning sets in 😉.

Very much loved Harvey going blazing guns against Trevor by making him admit that he was jealous of Mike in court.

Liked the fact that Mike, in spite of being at odds with Harvey, did not go to Lola Jensen coz Harvey said so.

Also liked Jimmy having a change of heart & testifying for the Defense. Not to mention Harold appearing again & offering to do the same.

Liked the role reversal between Donna & Rachel. For once Rachel was holding Donna's hand when needed most.

Anita Gibbs might be on the right side of law but her tactics appear far from being on the right side of law. Maybe she feels pressured as all her aces are turning into duds. Harvey did his part in this episode. Now it's over to Mike in the next.

reshamc - dunno if I am able to make sense in answering ur ? abt Donna being rattled by a list of names. Donna has been shown to be perceptive and figured the path of ?ing Anita Gibbs was going down. Sooner or later if that line of ?ing continued, Donna would have been asked outright & having had a close brush with breaking laws in the past seasons, she caved in. Placed in a position of choosing her poison, she chose lesser of the 2 evils.

From a drama point of view, the writers wanted to show Rachel in a positive light & this was one opportunity to showcase that aspect.

Also, not seeing the mock trial as a win for Mike.

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-Nymeria-

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Posted: 9 years ago

This episode was MUCH better than last week's! The mock trial and actual trial were both great.

First, the mock trial -- I was pleasantly surprised by Mike's approach at the beginning. It was great because some of the arguments Harvey made were what I thought Gibbs would bring forward and Mike totally squashed them. Even Jessica was impressed. Of course Harvey came back with a bang and that was necessary, Mike should have seen that coming.

Like @blacklambo said, I'm glad Mike DIDN'T go behind Harvey's back and do what he told him not to, especially considering that's how Gibbs found out about Sheila (and Trevor?). Also, I loved Benjamin! 😆

Then there was the Harvey/Rachel scene. You can see Rachel was talking of her dream wedding (modifying it to make it a small ceremony) and then what followed was simply BRUTAL. A throwback to the "Do you love Harvey Specter scene?" in Season 2. As much as I dislike Rachel, I hope they show a scene of Harvey apologizing to Rachel sometime (even though she understands why he did it).

Speaking of, Rachel was better this week. Stronger, from putting a stop to Harvey vs Mike to being there for Donna later (when it's usually the other way round).

Harold was cute! I was afraid for a second that he'd been sent by Gibbs, but it turned out to be just a harmless, cute scene.

Trevor -- $^%$&. Ok, I get that his life was on the line, but he also asked Mike to turn on Harvey -- Umm... did you forget that Harvey actually SAVED your life once? And he only did it for Mike. I loved Mike's response -- Unlike you, I'm loyal to my friends. And I loved Harvey tearing him on the stands.

Donna - Well, I don't know. Gibbs pretty much told Jessica she's going to put everyone the stand. When that scene happened, I thought they were going to prep everyone (at least the main ones). And then... they didn't? I mean the first few questions weren't that hard-hitting. Why did you let him in? Louis asked her the same question in S3 -- and she said something about how he was late and he talked himself in blah, blah..

I get the part after that. She got scared and took the Fifth, but they could've written this part better.

To answer your question:

Louis - I don't think he'll turn on them. All said and done, he's part of the team and hopefully, they've developed his character enough to NOT make him do something stupid everytime. Yes, he's scared, but Gibbs also wasn't supposed to contact him. Maybe they'll use it against her, maybe Louis fakes it to get more info...

Like @blacklambo said, this time, he's got Jessica WITH him, I don't think he'll break.

Sheila's definitely got more scenes this season. That abrupt end of the phone call -- suspicious.

Jimmy part was fine (but "I'm not lying for my aunt" -- *facepalm*). Mike representing himself? I'm not sure.

Another thing -- Trevor must have told Gibbs everything about Mike, being expelled from college, etc. Why didn't Gibbs just get that old Dean to come and say that he expelled Mike and wrote to Harvard about it? Wouldn't that basically close the case?

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: blacklambo

reshamc - dunno if I am able to make sense in answering ur ? abt Donna being rattled by a list of names. Donna has been shown to be perceptive and figured the path of ?ing Anita Gibbs was going down. Sooner or later if that line of ?ing continued, Donna would have been asked outright & having had a close brush with breaking laws in the past seasons, she caved in. Placed in a position of choosing her poison, she chose lesser of the 2 evils.
From a drama point of view, the writers wanted to show Rachel in a positive light & this was one opportunity to showcase that aspect.

Also, not seeing the mock trial as a win for Mike.

@bold - I hadn't thought of that. But if that's true, it's quite sad that they can't think of a way to portray both of them as strong women without hurting the other's character. I mean, Harvey's uncertain/undecided love life (I think it's pretty clear the writer themselves haven't decided who Harvey should end up with or if he should be single) has hurt Donna's character a lot -- where she's become someone who's life revolves around Harvey. This was the first time they even mentioned Donna leaving him for Louis -- I thought they'd forgotten all about it with the way she was giving him relationship advice last week.

As for Rachel -- it's pretty obvious how badly her character's been written -- especially since S4. This week was an improvement for her, and I hope it continues.

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SoreThumb

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Posted: 9 years ago

two things first:

1) I liked Rachel more than Mike in this epi 😲

2) Donna broke down so fast

How annoying was Mike...he kept on and on about how he will represent himself coz it was his life on line..Well its not just your life on line mike..everyone from Harvey to Lois to Jessica's professional life is too,,and the personal life has been shot to hell in part due to the lie..so they are thinking for the best of the case too..Have the writers decided they are going to make atleast one of the two Mike or Rachel be selfish/foolish in the episodes..

Rachel surprisingly was the sensible one today..doesn't happen often..so good for her

but then if they made her sensible, they kind of did injustice to Donna

I am surprised they didnt work on the testimony each one was going to give..even if it was at a short notice..Given Donna's involvement in Mike's "interview" wouldnt they have ironed out that detail too..even at such a short notice..As much as I have liked this season (my fav after season1), it has done an injustice to Donna..the first half barely had her thought process of why she was behaving the way she was (and now that seems to have been swept under the carpet..what with them not even alluding to the 'I love you' and all that happened due to it and suddenly bringing Scottie back in) and the post break episodes barely having her doing anything substantial

When Donna told Rachel that she had an experience being humiliated, I thought she would tell oof the time Lois had Donna on stand in the mock trial coz that was public and not of how Harvey treated her when she left him for Lois coz that was personal behavior..I am surprised at the writers choice of analogy

Despite these hiccups, the episode was much better than the last one..Mock trials have always been interesting and so was this despite Harvey's brutal interrogation of Rachel..IMO Mike was the one who lost sight of the goal first and just wanted to win at any cost and Harvey followed soon..

though i believe the right decision was made, Harvey representing Mike..even if for wrong reasons (Rachel convinced Mike smartly there)..As good as Mike is..he loses sight of the goal and hold of emotions faster than Harvey ( who has years of experience at this game)

Anita Gibbs is good at her job..her tactics are underhanded..more than Harvey and Mike's have been in past ( and they have played underhanded games when situations demand)..but as much as I root for Harvey and Mike, i don't completely fault her for her intentions of nailing a fraud (unless there is a personal vendetta involved)..the actress is good

PS: Frostman hasn't come to know Harvey hasn't resigned yet?

Anita Gibbs just went against the restraining order..will it matter

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SoreThumb

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Posted: 9 years ago

quick questions:

in the mock trial, Mike said Rachel wont testify coz she is his wife..but isnt spousal privilege only for events after marriage and not for beforehand knowledge and conversations?

I think i skipped a few scenes in the last episode..when did Donna give relationship advise to Harvey..was it in relation to Scottie?

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blacklambo

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Nickel8

@bold - I hadn't thought of that. But if that's true, it's quite sad that they can't think of a way to portray both of them as strong women without hurting the other's character. I mean, Harvey's uncertain/undecided love life (I think it's pretty clear the writer themselves haven't decided who Harvey should end up with or if he should be single) has hurt Donna's character a lot -- where she's become someone who's life revolves around Harvey. This was the first time they even mentioned Donna leaving him for Louis -- I thought they'd forgotten all about it with the way she was giving him relationship advice last week.

As for Rachel -- it's pretty obvious how badly her character's been written -- especially since S4. This week was an improvement for her, and I hope it continues.

Donna faltering in the court makes her look human to me just like Harvey was earlier in the season. It happens to the very best at times. Donna has always been on a pedestal for certain aspects and they just made her appear rattled. As per the promo for next episode, she refuses to give jury names to Harvey, probably preventing him from doing something that is harmful (though will have to wait till the next episode airs to check it's validity 😉). Rachel as Donna's best friend was the closest one who could comfort her.

To me the character that is badly written is Anita Gibbs. Is she having everyone followed since she appears at the right place at the right time all the time? Very creepy! Her proof is the recent pictures taken???? She holds all the aces for the case, yet she is being made to retreat. There was no rebuttal from her to even salvage some parts of Trevor's testimony after Harvey was done. She let Jimmy go easily to my surprise and said the Prosecution rests! Prosecutors with killer instincts don't let go so easily, do they?

Originally posted by: Nickel8

Another thing -- Trevor must have told Gibbs everything about Mike, being expelled from college, etc. Why didn't Gibbs just get that old Dean to come and say that he expelled Mike and wrote to Harvard about it? Wouldn't that basically close the case?

AK said in an iv that some characters from past seasons that viewers expect will appear and some will not. I guess the Dean is one of the missing people that AG has not been able to trace.

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blacklambo

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: SoreThumb
two things first:

1) I liked Rachel more than Mike in this epi 😲

2) Donna broke down so fast

How annoying was Mike...he kept on and on about how he will represent himself coz it was his life on line..Well its not just your life on line mike..everyone from Harvey to Lois to Jessica's professional life is too,,and the personal life has been shot to hell in part due to the lie..so they are thinking for the best of the case too..Have the writers decided they are going to make atleast one of the two Mike or Rachel be selfish/foolish in the episodes..

Rachel surprisingly was the sensible one today..doesn't happen often..so good for her

Mike's cockiness is what might be the savior of PSL. Harvey at the end wanted Mike to figure out a way to let him change his lawyer mid-way and start representing himself. This way, Mike won't be called to testify (that is, face AG's cross ?ing) and he can also showcase to the jury that he is a lawyer. IMO, good strategy.

but then if they made her sensible, they kind of did injustice to Donna

I am surprised they didnt work on the testimony each one was going to give..even if it was at a short notice..Given Donna's involvement in Mike's "interview" wouldnt they have ironed out that detail too..even at such a short notice..As much as I have liked this season (my fav after season1), it has done an injustice to Donna..the first half barely had her thought process of why she was behaving the way she was (and now that seems to have been swept under the carpet..what with them not even alluding to the 'I love you' and all that happened due to it and suddenly bringing Scottie back in) and the post break episodes barely having her doing anything substantial

When Donna told Rachel that she had an experience being humiliated, I thought she would tell oof the time Lois had Donna on stand in the mock trial coz that was public and not of how Harvey treated her when she left him for Lois coz that was personal behavior..I am surprised at the writers choice of analogy

The reason Louis calling to Donna during an earlier mock trial in a prior season was not brought up coz the subject of discussion here was Harvey. If Rachel was humiliated by Harvey, so was Donna earlier in the season by the very same person. Donna is the one to point out to Rachel that Harvey is a great lawyer maybe coz of his ability not to see the person (don't feel it applies to Mike though). Rachel understood her point, was able to overcome her hurt and convinced Mike later to let Harvey represent him.

PS: Frostman hasn't come to know Harvey hasn't resigned yet?

Doesn't seem like it coz both Soloff & Hardman have been silenced by Mike atm.

Anita Gibbs just went against the restraining order..will it matter

Spousal privilege is for after marriage and that reasoning is what they eliminated by having the mock trial. It was determined that the fake marriage wasn't going to hold up in court.

I can't remember if Donna gave relationship advice to Harvey but did support him for Scottie.

My question - this episode was directed by PJA. How many in total has he directed? Is GM directing the next one?

3 more things I liked in the episode -

Liked Jimmy's testimony for mentioning second chances and Mike having integrity.

Awww...Benjamin also came thru for Mike.

Louis questioned the authority that Jessica needed to assert & she did not shy back. Jessica remains a force to reckon with.

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Posted: 9 years ago

Great post!!

Im so excited wiht the way Suits is going. The way things are moving is GRIPPING. i have not yet ONCE thought of skipping and episode or a scene.

THis past episode.. i felt HORRIBLE for Louis. I always felt he got the short end of the stick in everything .. and even now with the sheila situation.. things just SUCK. he cant betray his firm, he cant leave Sheila, he cant do anything and is ultimately helpless. So helpless that he may actually consider taking the bait with this new lawyer lady. CONSIDER is my word.

I dont think he will do it. I think Louis has made a lot of mistakes in anger and without thinking.. but this time.. i think he will come through. After al it was him that said to jessica that we ALL GO DOWN together with perjuring ourselves. I love that moment.

I felt for donna tonight.. she things she is so strong and invincible and today she defeated and cracked but shes a human being. EVERYONE talks a lot.. they all talk a lot but when it comes to BEING in that box and in that moment thinking.. if i lie and get caught i can go to jail.. who knows what anyone else would do.

i felt for rachell... but not really cause she did cheat.

Im not a mike rachel shipper at all if anyone cant tell 😆 idk they bother me.. so i wont speak about them.

Im exxcited to see mike going to fight his own case.. thats the way to win and now that harvey thinks so... itll be so interesting to see how!

Loved how jimmy perjured himself today for mike. thats true friendship. and harold ffering to due it himself.. and that tech guy trusting him.. MIKE won people over by just being mike and i hope he can do the same with the jury.

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-Nymeria-

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Posted: 9 years ago

#10

I'd said before that mock trials always end up revealing a lot about the characters -- and this time was no exception.

@blacklambo - I feel more than Gibbs, it's the case that hasn't been thought out well. Like you said, she's had everyone at PSL followed, so she's got all the photos to prove stuff (and she's getting funded for all that?!), but she couldn't find the Dean? She didn't badger Jimmy much.

Also, the way she's going after PSL (cutting deals with everyone -- a shady businessman (Donna's dad), a former drug dealer (Trevor)) -- it's almost as if she has a personal vendetta against PSL. I hope they don't go the cliche way of finding something dirty on Gibbs that will make her drop charges against Mike. That would be a cop-out.

@SoreThumb - I get what you are saying about Donna- the thing is if they'd made the questions somewhat more hard-hitting -- where she would HAVE to choose between perjury and pleading the Fifth, I'd understand. But the initial questions weren't so hard. Donna's breaking down wasn't VERY unexpected. For all her sassy behaviour, she never breaks the law -- she stopped that from happening with Harvey in the DA's office, she was terrified at the end of S4 when she thought she might go to jail -- so she wouldn't lie outright like Jessica might have. They should've just made the questions harder to dodge.

As for the relationship advice -- what I meant was her talking to him about Scottie. After everything that's happened between them since S4, you'd think there'd be SOME change in the way they worked together, but it's like they were back in S2. This Donna/Rachel scene at least showed that they haven't forgotten about it.

More than Donna, it was Rachel who surprised me -- considering how she'd been behaving in the previous episodes -- I DID NOT expect her to be so understanding/mature about what Harvey did in the mock trial, and about Donna later. Donna and Rachel said last week that they'd remain friends no matter what the other did, and I was so glad to see them keeping that promise.

As for Mike and Harvey. They both had valid points and while Harvey was the right person to grill Trevor, I also agreed with what Mike said about showing the jury his lawyer-ing abilities. The only problem was that what started as "finding the better person to handle the case" soon became an "ego contest" (and Jessica, Donna, and Rachel could all see that). Harvey and Mike work best when they work as a team, and now that they're on the same page again, they should be great. :)

I'm almost 90% sure Louis won't betray PSL. :)

Also, some of the photos from 5x15 have come out. https://www.reddit.com/r/suits/comments/46h5kw/promo_photos_515_ticktock/

Anyone know who the last lady is? I'm guessing one of the pro bono cases on which Mike worked. The new promo shows Gibbs saying "I almost want to let him go myself, except he's a liar." So that makes me think they're going to use a lot of emotions to paint Mike as a likeable, trust-worthy lawyer.

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