Opinions? Who is right and who is wrong?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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So I watched the episode again... and initially I was kind of on Abeer's side. I thought he was right to read the diary and get bua to understand Meher's point of view and respect the fact that she didn't take a decision to fall in love lightly. And bechara Abeer, Meher always sees him as wrong. 😆
But on re-watch-- Meher's pain is very valid. 😭 She told him private things in confidence-- for him to expose it on national tv without her permission is a real violation of trust. 😲 He was trying to help her but he did the one thing that she didn't want him to do.

Obviously Meher needs to learn to see things from Abeer's perspective that even if his methods are wrong, his intentions are noble. But I think the bigger change needs to come from Abeer-- he needs to learn to see the bigger picture and not be so impulsive. He has this knee jerk reaction that tends to escalate situations instead of deflating them. I mean, there were ways of getting this information across to bua without making it a big scene on national tv.

I guess going forward-- can Abeer continue to talk about their personal details on the show especially now that everyone knows the story is about them?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I just caught up with the episode and was dying to discuss just this, so seeing your post made me very happy. 😃

I think we all felt a kind of knee-jerk sympathy for Abeer because we knew his heart was in the right place this time, and that his malice has been fading ever since he decided to move in with Meher's family to protect them (what's more, Bua really did need a reality check. I was amazed that she had the audacity to blackmail Meher even more after she heard what she did!). But we forget that this is information that he is willfully hiding from Meher, irritating her at every turn to conceal the fact that he is there because he cares about her and wants to protect her. I think this is a boy-who-cried-wolf situation for Abeer. Most of his actions since he and Meher crossed paths at Groove have been motivated by bitterness against her, especially the way he has been telling their story on his show. So how is Meher to know that this particular act came from a sincere place? When he moved into Meher's house, even his own mother doubted his reasons before he explained clearly because by then he had acted out of sheer vengeance so many times... more than this single act being right or wrong, it's the bad precedent he has set is coming back to bite him in his cute behind.

But what made this episode really beautiful was that it showed exactly how Abeer enriches Meher's life and precisely why she needs him in it. This is what takes this show beyond the cliched opposites-attract love story. Meher, Suman and Devki have grown together in struggle and for so long they had no choice but to be stoic and strong, because if they weren't they'd perish. Not only did they have to be strong, they had to keep each other strong as well and stay united against the world. That probably meant never showing your own weaknesses and not really confronting others'. Bua's weak spot is her pride, because that is what keeps her strong.That's why she lashes out so nastily when her pride is threatened. Meher and Suman know that and they indulge her even when she deals low blows, as she did in this case, because they see a blow to one member as a blow to the unit, and they wouldn't dream of such a risk even though they can afford it now. The fact that Meher, her child, perceived her pain goes against Bua's pride as an independent, self-sufficient provider, which is why Meher kept her determination to work for her Ma and Bua mostly to herself and carried it out silently.

Abeer, as an outsider to this dynamic, has a totally different, way less complex perspective... if Meher cares so much about her Ma and Bua, and has always put them first, shouldn't they know? And so he deals with a very delicate situation in a very indelicate way by blowing up their carefully arranged status quo... which turns out to be just what they needed to love each other even more. Even though this revelation it is a bitter pill to swallow for the three women at first, pills are medicine after all, and we already saw the effects begin.
Edited by Samanalyse - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@samanlyse. Everything you said was amazing... I could spend days talking about this! There is just so much depth here!

I didn't think of bua pride as an independent self-sufficent provider and that Meher was trying to protect it by keeping her determination to herself-- but that is a great point. And I think that fits well with why she taunted Meher right back again about thinking everything as a favour. That idea hurt her a lot and made her feel like maybe she hadn't been a good enough caregiver. But I think she sort of gets that too-- that's why she wanted some time for self reflection.
But this is exactly where I feel a lot of Bua's resentment for Abeer comes from. She considers herself the family's protector and here is this guy that blew up her household by breaking Meher's heart and almost destroying her. Bua is metaphorically the father figure of the family. For the last 8 years Bua has felt like she wasn't able to protect her family from the pain this boy inflicted. She took out her anger on Meher yesterday but I think she is angrier at herself for not being able to guide Meher better to begin with.

I really want to find out how Bua initially treated Abeer-- I think initially she would've been hesitant but Abeer would've won her over. But when Abeer broke Meher's heart, that was that. She has been angry with herself that she made a mistake and as a result loses control over herself when it comes to Abeer. Its like she is overcompensating for her own insecurities about whether she was good enough to fit into the shoes of the man of the house. Abeer is like a reminder, that she wasn't good enough to protect her family. I think she is afraid that Meher is going to fall for him again and get hurt.

Admittedly, I have a bit of a soft spot for bua despite her sharp tongue because what she did to look after her brother's family is really commendable. She may pass judgments on Abeer which is frustrating because we all know the real Abeer-- but I think Bua has the right to feel protective over her family.

I have to admit my first impression to Meher's reaction was that she knew what Abeer was trying to do. I think even she knows he wasn't deliberately trying to cause a problem but like you said he doesn't understand their carefully constructed dynamic the way she does, so he blew it all up. And that was something she NEVER wanted! I think that for Meher this is classic Abeer-- and probably her biggest complaint in their marriage. -- he reacts impulsively without understanding the depth of the situation. He doesn't think about the domino effect his actions cause and she ends up having to clean up the mess. And maybe Abeer's actions here have brought her closer to her family but I don't know if Meher can see it that objectively. I don't think Meher would ever want to be closer to her family at the expense of bua's pride. Its Meher's call as to what price she was willing to pay to be closer to her family. I think that's what made Meher so angry-- he took away her choice in the matter.

I think Meher has always known that Abeer doesn't mean bad... but Meher seems to have always lived life in a very controlled way. Bottling up her emotions and focussing on her goals. She didn't want to take risks. Abeer brought chaos into her carefully planned life. He made her life messy and confusing but at the same time wonderful. But unfortunately the messy bits caught up with them and at that point Meher wouldn't have been able to risk her family's happiness. I just had a thought-- maybe Abeer thought Meher took the money to settle her family? Maybe that's why it was so easy for him to believe she had her eye on the alimony money.

But yeah Meher needs Abeer to allow herself the luxury of being happy.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@malikakas: Me too, the dynamic between the three women and the household they have built together is undoubtedly my single most favourite thing about show! It's not everyday you get to see a beautiful, unconventional and complex set of relationships like this one on Indian TV!
I think you have covered everything so beautifully, and I would only add this. I am not so sure as you that Meher knows the truth behind Abeer's intentions this time. Otherwise, why would she bring up the fact that she didn't react to his previous behaviour, especially his big reveals about their relationship on the show? I think Meher came into the situation knowing that Abeer would irritate her, constantly try to one up her and try to break her stoic silence to prove that he still has power over her. That is precisely what she joined Groove for: to prove to herself that she could now withstand his worst and move past it. But this whole process was undergirded by a sense of trust, that there were certain lines Abeer wouldn't cross. She tolerated his accusations that she was a heartless opportunist who jumped at the chance to hoodwink him, but her weak point is her family and she felt like he impulsively trespassed onto that sacred territory for what ever reason he has been doing all of this, a reason that she still can't or won't fathom because it is too complicated. Sure, her gut tells her that Abeer means well but bitter experience has apparently proven her gut wrong in the past so she doesn't trust it anymore.

As for Bua, Abeer mentioned to Nissar yesterday that he bhelo-fied a lot of papads to hear Meher's "yes" all thanks to Bua. So I think you're right... she probably disapproved of Abeer and the idea of Meher falling in love and marrying so young but Abeer won her over, possibly during that 3-day period when he sat outside their house. Then when he left, all her doubts were proved right. I have a soft-spot for Bua too, and I think she is a fascinating character. On the one hand she feels superior to Meher and Suman because she has always put a lock on her heart and acted from her brain. On the other hand, because she never followed her heart (that we know of) she has isolated herself from a lot of experiences which make life beautiful and which make you stronger. You can't really brag about surviving the war if you never stepped onto the battlefield... and as Pat Benetar wisely tells us, "love is a battlefield" 😆

Bua is the strongest in the household intellectually but the weakest emotionally because she has never allowed herself the beautiful and terrible chaos that love brings. Even with her own family she is not expressive about her affection, choosing instead to manifest it through scolding and strictness (which are nothing but her deep concern). Abeer is that chaos manifest... all impulsive and unbridled love which is why Bua is so disapproving, but a dose of him is just what she needs to be able to actually express her love and pride in Meher. It's the kind of chaos this family needs after so many years of tense control. What Abeer did reading Meher's diary in such a public way was wrong, no doubt, but if you look at the bigger picture, it shows just how much he brought and can bring to her life and that was the highlight for me.

And now I'm greedy to see the other side of the coin... Meher vs. Kuber! 😲

You can really see why their age came in the way of them having a successful relationship. Meher has the maturity to handle Bua now, when Abeer busts open their lives with the best intentions, but did she then? And similarly, did Meher possibly behave insensitively with regards to the Abeer-Kuber tension with only the best intentions, that Abeer misunderstood? Only time will tell...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I have been waiting for someone to make a post like this! I really like the way you put both of the characters into perspective and pointed out their flaws. I do believe strongly that their flaws is what makes them fit together even more perfectly. Abeer does have a rather vigorous impulsive reaction to everything related to Maher. He wants to be her savior but at the same time his strong urge almost always causes him the opposite outcome.

OK, I gotta go but i shall return cause i got loads to say.

but a very intriguing post, indeed.😃
Edited by ..Zainab.. - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Samanalyse-- I know so far the show has done such an amazing job with the relationships. They are all so unique and complex. You don't usually see this level of depth in hindi serials-- even American shows can be fairly shallow.
I agree that Meher knew she was playing with fire by taking that job. I don't know if she had that sense of trust that Abeer wouldn't cross lines-- like she said earlier that in his "ego, and stubbornness" he can do anything. Even in the first episode that Abeer came to her house-- she told her Bua that Abeer is going to talk a lot of crap and lies about them that people will believe but she wasn't going to run away.

But I think something has kind of changed between them while they've been living together. Repeatedly Meher has been telling him that he doesn't have the right to protect her, or worry about her happiness etc. She knows what Abeer has been doing, but she doesn't want him to take that role in her life anymore. The reason why I felt that Meher understood what Abeer was doing here was because she point blank told him: he doesn't have the right to act the part of her husband. That its not his place to decide what she chooses to hide from her family and its not his place anymore to interfere in her family dynamics. She would rather take thousands of Bua's taunts than allow Bua to feel bad about herself.

What ticked her off here wasn't so much that he revealed something personal--- but that her bua got hurt. It was an acute violation of trust because she told her husband something in confidence that she never wanted revealed to her family. (BTW-- can I just tell how much I love that Meher told him things that she couldn't tell anyone else. It speaks to volumes of what Abeer was to her and what their relationship was).

I was actually wondering if Bua had some sort of heartbreak herself. I feel like she has been really hurt in the past herself. She keeps up this stern attitude because she is afraid of coming across weak because for so many years she had to be strong for the family. She is still stuck in survival mode. Meher was saying that there were things that happened in the last 8 years that she didn't want Abeer to know about-- maybe the repercussions were more than just on the emotional front for the family? Abeer's dad could've found a way to destroy their livelihood or something? So Abeer represents that tough time for her family and that's why she is so harsh with him?

Ooh Meher and Kuber😆-- I think we have seen snippets of it when Kuber taunted Madvhi that she was speaking Meher's language. It sounds like Meher tried to encourage Kuber to be more open with Abeer-- explain things nicely and encouraging him instead of always taunting him. And yeah I see Meher trying to explain to Abeer that his dad isn't always wrong and Abeer being made to feel like she always thinks he is wrong. Kuber's own prejudices against Meher probably hindered things too.

From what I see so far it really was immaturity on both ends but its also circumstance. Meher is in a position now where she can give her family the life she wanted for them. College Meher had a sense of restlessness and anxiety-- Abeer helped alleviate that but her goal never shifted. And at some point unintentionally he likely became a hindrance to that goal. But now she has a sense of peace-- she is just in a better place to enjoy her life. To live life the way Abeer wanted her to all those years ago.
Edited by malikakas - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..Zainab..

RES!

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I have been waiting for someone to make a post like this! I really like the way you put both of the characters into perspective and pointed out their flaws. I do believe strongly that their flaws is what makes them fit together even more perfectly. Abeer does have a rather vigorous impulsive reaction to everything related to Maher. He wants to be her savior but at the same time his strong urge almost always causes him the opposite outcome.

OK, I gotta go but i shall return cause i got loads to say.

but a very intriguing post, indeed.😃


I can't wait to hear the rest of your thoughts! I love both Meher and Abeer. Normally in shows I am usually drawn to one character more than another but here they are both my babies! I love the fact that its an equal relationship. Its not that one person is always right and the other wrong. From their own perspectives they are both right and they both wrong at the same time. And they complete each other-- filling in the gaps that the other person lacks.

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