Is this what Salim deserves?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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9 years salim did not have a family
A father to hold his hand when scared and guide him
A mother to comfort him in pain
A brother to play with
A sister to laugh with
A friend to console him
After 9 years he returned home and
His father killed his best friend for 9 years(as per him) but he forgave
His parents arranged marriage to Man Bai without asking him and announced publicly
His mother Jodha told him she will cut all relations with him if he refuses proposal(in shaitanpura) although she suspects Salim and anarkali love each other
His father announced him as walihaad but made Murad shah I Shah(he told later that is not true but still that was public humiliation is it not- full Mughal empire now thinks he was unfit to be shah I shah as per Akbar because he is a hindu begum son a najayaaz as per Shah of Persia and Akbar indirectly endorsed this view by saying Murad is my muslim wife son so I am making him Shah I Shah). Imagine if something like that happens with a child that someone said this guy is a najayaz because he is born to non religion queen and father changes decision is it not humiliating in eyes of public?
Salim slapped Murad in fit of rage and Akbar called DEK to give him punishment. Instead Akbar could have shouted and slapped him in private in front of anarkali and Murad(if that satisfy Murad) and spread the word around(tit for tat) that would be less humiliating and justice. Salim not slapped Murad in front of DEk so why punish him in DEK? And Akbar was talking to him as if Salim had murdered someone innocent knowingly in DEK all glaring and angry?
Salim may have many faults he hate his parents, speak rudely etc but why?
Because he has never seen or experienced love and care and affection from them for 9-10 years. Battle field is brutal and ruthless in order to survive you become hard hearted and also start hating family for abandoning your childhood in war field when you should be playing hide and seek with siblings and friends and going to school etc
Does Salim deserve a DEK punishment of all things?
It seems Salim family consider him a robot - he has to just do what they want? no pain no fear no anguish no anger etc to be expressed just robot obeying parents order, Shahenshah order, Shah I shah order etc. I feel more like Salim is employed at agra fort by Mughal family not a family member, he was walihaad for so long, now he is a prince etc
If Murad was angry at Salim he should have slapped Salim back baat katam brothers do fight right and forget not pull things to high court, supreme court for slapping etc
I do not understand this Shah I shah matter at all- when Salim was small and designated to be walihaad he and murad would have fights and roll in mud etc then no DEK called by Akbar for Murad, now Salim slapped Murad and he called DEK why?
Salim said he had no problem if Murad is next king - he just do not want Murad ordering him around to come to him etc any elder brother do not care if younger brother President of USA, first relation is that of younger brother to him.
Akbar is king but he respects Hamida and does not order her around because a mother, father and elder brother, elder sister comes first and deserve respect. Even if younger brother may be King of world but he is younger and that relation comes first is it not?
When Hamida slapped Akbar he kept quiet no because she is elder, when she cold he listens quietly is it not. So Murad may be Shah I shah but he is younger to Salim so should he not go around and pressure Salim to do work etc.
Any elder brother or sister will feel the way Salim felt - he said he do not have mood to work and shall not work so let it be go and complaint to Akbar he shall handle. Why argue saying this is important work do it now only etc?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

9 years salim did not have a family

A father to hold his hand when scared and guide him
A mother to comfort him in pain
A brother to play with
A sister to laugh with
A friend to console him
After 9 years he returned home and
His father killed his best friend for 9 years(as per him) but he forgave
His parents arranged marriage to Man Bai without asking him and announced publicly
His mother Jodha told him she will cut all relations with him if he refuses proposal(in shaitanpura) although she suspects Salim and anarkali love each other
His father announced him as walihaad but made Murad shah I Shah(he told later that is not true but still that was public humiliation is it not- full Mughal empire now thinks he was unfit to be shah I shah as per Akbar because he is a hindu begum son a najayaaz as per Shah of Persia and Akbar indirectly endorsed this view by saying Murad is my muslim wife son so I am making him Shah I Shah). Imagine if something like that happens with a child that someone said this guy is a najayaz because he is born to non religion queen and father changes decision is it not humiliating in eyes of public?
Salim slapped Murad in fit of rage and Akbar called DEK to give him punishment. Instead Akbar could have shouted and slapped him in private in front of anarkali and Murad(if that satisfy Murad) and spread the word around(tit for tat) that would be less humiliating and justice. Salim not slapped Murad in front of DEk so why punish him in DEK? And Akbar was talking to him as if Salim had murdered someone innocent knowingly in DEK all glaring and angry?
Salim may have many faults he hate his parents, speak rudely etc but why?
Because he has never seen or experienced love and care and affection from them for 9-10 years. Battle field is brutal and ruthless in order to survive you become hard hearted and also start hating family for abandoning your childhood in war field when you should be playing hide and seek with siblings and friends and going to school etc
Does Salim deserve a DEK punishment of all things?



PLS REMEMBER THAT POINTS MDE BY YOU SEEM ODD AND WIERD DUE TO CVS SO CALLED CREATIVITY


I THINK WE HAVE FORGOTTEN HERE THAT SALIM IS NOT AN ORDINARY CHILD - HE IS THE HEIR OF THE MUGHAL DYNASTY


MOST PRINCES AND EVEN SOME PRINCESSES GO THROUGH SUCH HARDSHIPS IN LIFE.


EVEN IN TODAY'S DAY AND AGE IF YOU TAKE THE LIVES OF SCIONS OF HUGE EMPIRES, THEIR PROGRESS IS CLOSELY MONITORED AD CONTROLLED BY ELDERS


JUST BECAUSE WE WERE SHOWN THE SCENES SO MELODRAMATICALLY, WE FEEL BAD


OTHERWISE MOST PRINCES SPEND THEIR LIFE ON THE BATTLEFIELDS. HEIRS NEVER HAVE A NORMAL CHILDHOOD WITH HIDE AND SEEK AND BALL. THEIR LIVES ARE ALL ABOUT TRAINING AND PRACTICE


AND SALIM HAD KHAN E KHANA AND MAAN SINGH - BOTH WERE HIS FRIENDS AND BROTHERS


DIDNT MAAN SINGH LEAVE HIS FAMILY AND HOME AT A YOUNG AGE AND FOLLOW JODHA TO AGRA. INITIALLY HIS STAY WAS ALSO NOT COMFORTABLE, BUT GRADUALLY HE BECAME A GREAT WARRIO AND A GOOD STATESMAN, AND THE RIGHT HAND OF SHAHENSHAH


REGARDING FARHAN'S DEATH, JALAL WAS CRYING HOARSE THAT HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITHTHE MURDER, BUT DID SALIM LISTEN OR EVEN TRY TO INVESTIGATE?

MOHABBAT KA CHOGA PEHAN KAR RONE LAGA


YES REGARDING MAAN BAI SALIM RELATION THER WASA MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT AGAIN, DI SALIM EVEN TRY AND FIND OUT ANYTHING. HE COULD HAVE SPOKEN TO JODHA BEFORE THE ENGAGEMENT -

BUT HE HAD TO DROWN HIS SORROWS IN A BROTHEL


AND YES JODHA WAS HARSH WITH HIM WHEN SHE SAW HIM IN THE BROTHEL. WHICH MOTHER WILL TAKE THAT? SPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS AN ENGAGEMENT THE NEXT DAY?


REGARDING SHAHE SHAH TITLE, DID HE EVEN ONCE CLARIFY WITH JALAL ABOUT WHY THIS WAS DONE? AGREE THAT JALAL SHOULD HAVE TOLD HIM AND MURAD BEFORE, BUT AGR NAHI BATAYA TO ISKA MATLAB YE THODI HAI KI SAARI GALTIYAAN JALAL KI HAIN?


NO HE WAS BUSY FINDING SOLACE IN ANAR'S MOHABBAT


MURAAD WAS FEELING BAD THE DAY HE GOT THE CROWN AND HE DID SAY HE WAS GOING TO RETURN IT


GIVE THE GUY A BREAK. I AM SURE IT WAS JUST AS SHOCKING FOR HIM TO BE SUDDENLY PLACED IN THAT POSITION. HE HELD IMMENSE RESPECT FOR SALIM ( WHICH FRANKLY, IS MIRACULOUS) SALIM DEF DOES NOT DESERVE ANY RESPECT



IN YEST EPI JALAL CLEARLY EXPLAINED TO JODHA THAT HIS DECISION IN RESPONSE TO SHAH E IRAN'S MESSAGE WAS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN. HE TOOK TIME, PLANNED STUFF AND EXECUTED IT PERFECTLY


IF SALIM HAD NOT DONE THAT DRAMA WITH MURAD, JALAL WOULD HAVE MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF HIS BEING SHAH E SHAH IN DEK. AND I AM SURE HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN A FITTING EXPLANATION, LIKE THE ONE HE GAVE TO JODHA


SALIM IS THE PERSN WHO THINKS WRONGLY ABOUT HIS PARENTS


SALIM IS THE PERSON WHO THINKS HIS MOTHER HATES HIM AND RUKS THE AFEEMER LOVES HIM MORE


SALIM IS THE PRSON WHO BELIEVES THAT AFEEM, ALCOHOL AN ANARKALI WILL SOLVE ALL HIS PROBLEMS


IN THE QADIR EPISODE DEF SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED THE SITUATION AND REASON TO HIM. THAT HE WAS GETTING PUNISHED, NOT FOR HITTING THE ARROW ACCIDENTLY, BUT FOR RUNNING AWAY AND HIDING THE FACTS


AND EVEN NOW IN MOST HOMES PARENTS TAKE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THEIR KIDS. WHAT ABOUT THEN? IN THE 16 CENTURY WHICH PARENT WOULD ASK HIS SON OR EVEN CLARIFY ANYTHING TO HIS SON? SPECIALLY WHEN HE IS THE SHAHENSHAH?


I AM STILL OKAY WITH THE FACT THAT YOU BLAME THE CVS FOR THE SHIT THAT THEY ARE THRUSTING ON US


BUT I THINK IT IS WRONG FOR US TO BLAME JODHA AND JALAL FOR ALL OF SALIM'S MISTAKE


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Unfortunately, the world sees only what you display.
Pretensions sell.

Nobody has a gyan drishti or are occlumens enough to know what you think and feel. People judge you by what you say, how you behave.

It is here that Salim is at a big loss. He thinks well and reacts awfully. He inwardly loves his mom and dad but is mostly offensive in his language and behaviour.

If overlooking Salim for Shah-i-Shah position was a public humiliation to Salim, what was it to Jalal when he refused the Waliahad title publicly?

Jalal did come to speak to him. Murad too did. Jodha too did. But why did he not try to understand their pov too?

After he came back to palace after his punishment when 9 yrs old, Jodha tried her best to placate him. But he thought that it was all pretense just because Ruqaiyya told him so. He believed his Ruqaiyya ammijaan's words for a month and easily forgot all the love that Jodha showered on him for 9 yrs? Fine he was too young to handle manipulation. But now he is grown up. Can't he analyse or try to understand his parents better?

Kids do get angry with their parents when first sent to hostel. But in due course they do understand. And don't carry the resentment all their lives. But Salim did.

In Bela and Farhan's death it was obvious that Bela's dad was the culprit. Yet he chose to disbelieve his dad and insult him in front of all.

Salim agreed to marry ManBai as he was then angry with Anarkali. But now that his mus are cleared, shouldn't he talk about his thoughts to someone? His daadi if he is not comfortable with his mom and dad? He knows that his wedding is arranged with politics in mind too, plus he has also understood that his parents fixed his wedding as they thought that he liked MB. (Jodha told him about the maang tika matter).

If lack of beauty or money is a disadvantage, then lack of good communication is also a disadvantage. Salim inspite of good intentions, is always blunt and over-emotional that makes him face other's displeasure while the likes of MA inspite of all her evil simply glosses it up. Salim is paying the price for his snobbishness. I don't say that sugary sweet talk and evil thoughts is good while good thoughts and rude behaviour is bad. Of course not. But the former sells instantly while the latter takes time to win. That is why MA won her battles and lost her war and died in misery and Salim faced Jalal's anger but became the next king.

But you have to pay the price for rudeness - anger from the other party, which is unavoidable.


But how is that he can clear his misunderstandings with anarkali but not his own mom?


Edited by Sandhya.A - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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lavi and sandhya bang on!


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Posted: 10 years ago
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i agree with u prem
he does deserve all this
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Over all AKBAR Ishq Kare toh Ishq
SALIM Kare toh Gunah

I am surprised where that jodha Akbar gone who was liberal minded ,who respect someone love

Just came across to this jodha suspect love of Salim n Anarkali n still forcing him to marry man bai

Ridiculous...


Poor SALIM from each corner of his family he didn't get pure love
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SHADESOFNATURE

Over all AKBAR Ishq Kare toh Ishq

SALIM Kare toh Gunah

I am surprised where that jodha Akbar gone who was liberal minded ,who respect someone love

Just came across to this jodha suspect love of Salim n Anarkali n still forcing him to marry man bai

Ridiculous...


Poor SALIM from each corner of his family he didn't get pure love


Correction jodha does not know that salim loves anarkali. She saw them. She was wondering what was the matter. She never forced salim to marry maanbai. She wanted to suprise salim. Salim chose to go drown his sorrows in a brothel that's his fault
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i am repeating myself here i have no sympathies for JA's salim's character! till date i have not understood him who he is other than his over reactions to every moving thing on earth and what love are we talking about...he hated anar in childhood then all of a sudden fell in love in jawani and then hated her again and then blamed himself for her rakasa avatar and then in love again apparently and giving all respect to her dead father and what has he done for his own parents?..still akbar is playing the game to make him the next emperor and making sure jodha does not change her dharam and still he is at fault? its murad who will suffer at the end not salim!!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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hi view prem if u hv time pl watch from episodes 362 to 402 and 436 to new coin fun episode then u may under stand jl jo are at fault or notand also sa nature too. pl dont misunderstand me. thank u

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