Historical Discussion on Ashoka and Storyline

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Posted: 6 years ago
Hi Guys!

I see members are making posts regarding historical accuracy/inaccuracies in the drama Chakravtin Ashoka Samrat.  So for ease of reading and so that the discussion is not all scattered everywhere in the forum, henceforth its a sincere request that all historical discussion should be posted in this thread only, and discussion on the episodes itself can be conducted in the mainforum.

Henceforth, all discussion on historical facts and historical information that is posted on the main forum will either be closed or moved here.

Regards

Artemisia
Edited by Artemisia - 6 years ago
Posted: 6 years ago

Helen, the queen of Chandragupta was not a negative character in true History. Though sources are very meager to know about her here are the facts:

  • Bindusara was already 16 when chandu married Helen.
  • Chandragupta used to send gifts to Selecus and maintained very good and humble relations after the treaty. This also suggest she may had been Mahishi means favorite queen. Mahishi at first was used for first queen but later it was also used for favorite queen.
  • Bindusara after his coronation maintained warm relations with Antiochus soter, successor of Selecus and used to send friendly letters to him.
  • We find no evidence of any ploy to kill Bindusara in history. His coronation was very peaceful and if there was any ploy he had killed them because he was called AMITRAGHAT means Slayer of foes and Ajatshatru means with no enemies. This should not be confused with KING ajatshatru who was son of bimbisara.

 

Posted: 6 years ago

Birth of Bindusara and Chanakya's Death


Bindusara was the son of Chandragupta Maurya (founder of the Maurya Empire) and Queen Durdhara. According to a Jain work Rajavalikatha his original name was Simhasena. During his reign the Maurya Empire saw significant expansion southwards.

Statue of Bindusara

There is a mystery over the birth of Bindusara. As the tale goes after Chandragupta Maurya became king of Magadha after defeating Nandas, his chief advisor was Chanakya. Now Chanakya feared that there would be assassination plots hatched against Chandragupta by other power hungry kings. To protect Chandragupta, Chanakya wanted to make him immune from poisoning. He added small amounts of poison in Chandragupta's food everyday so that he would get used to it. But Chandragupta was unaware of the poison he consumed every day. One day while dining the Emperor shared his food with Queen Durdhara. She was just seven days away from delivery. The pregnant Queen who did not have poison as her staple diet started collapsing with some shrieks. Chanakya was passing by and he heard the screams. When he came inside the dining hall he found the Queen collapsing. He understood the importance of saving the child within her womb. So first of all he slit the Queen's head so that the poison could not penetrate into her body and harm the child. Then he cut open her belly and took out the baby prince. But it seemed that one drop of poison had penetrated through and it touched the forehead of baby Bindusara. This caused a blue mark on his forehead. Thus the prince was saved.

Queen Durdhara was the mother of Bindusara

Though many scholars denounce this as a tale but references of such an event are found in many Jain works. It was a remarkable feat when we consider its timeline i.e. 320 BC.

Chanakya who knew a lot about Ayurveda helped in performing first birth by surgery

As Bindusara reached a fitting age to ascend the throne, Chandragupta in lieu of a famine took up a begging bowl and walked away to Deccan. But Chanakya remained minister and advisor to Bindusara. This was not liked by Bindusara's minister Subandhu. Subandhu revealed to Bindusara that Chanakya had murdered the king's mother. Hearing this Bindusara was enraged. Chanakya on the other hand gave all his possessions and wealth to poor, orphans and widows. He sat on a dung and prepared to die from fasting without any water or food. When the nurses revealed the real story to Bindusara he apologised to Chanakya.

Bindusara was angry with Subhandhu who mislead him. The king asked him to seek forgiveness from Chanakya. Though Subandhu still hated Chanakya but he agreed. When he visited Chanakya's fastinbg spot he slipped a burning charcoal ember inside the heap of dung. With wind as its aid the fire caught and killed the man who masterminded the Mauryan Empire.


Posted: 6 years ago
Thanks a lot for sharing this..
Posted: 6 years ago
Thanks for making this thread

The makers of this show have supposedly done a lot of research. I wish they would reveal their sources in the credits. I've been reading two books on Ashoka and none have references to what they showed today

My biggest gripe is the characters from Khorasan. Khorasan from what I've searched was the general name given to the Persian area (modern day Iran and neighbors) but the religion practiced at that time was Zoroastrianism and not Islam. Islam wasn't even born in the BC era when Ashoka was king. How do we explain the reference to Islamic culture in this show? Noor Khorasan and her father have very Islamic names and costumes. Also, they speak Urdu- a language that didn't exist (at least in india) at that time

I hope the makers are reading this post and can clarify my doubts. I'd have a hard time watching this show if the historical inaccuracies are so glaring
Posted: 6 years ago
Hi all,

Sharing some Links here >>


1. About the Family of Ashoka...  - His wives , sons, grandsons, etc...


  Click Here to Read



2.

I found some thing interesting on Chanakya..
So, decided to share it here.. :))

-> Chanakya's "Novel" Method 2 Test Character of Ministers
Click Here to Read

^^^ A master politician, indeed.  :-P


3.


Historicals these days, seem to apply a lot of dramatization. Ashoka is not far behind. While Bindusara knew about the identity of Ashoka since the birth as his son, the show is portraying the opposite. Dharma was made a Chief Queen before birth of Ashoka, but here Dharma is shown as an ill-treated woman.

Here is an interesting read about the story of REAL Ashoka , Dharma and Bindusara. It contains scans from the Sanskrit texts, and the probable translation.
Click HERE to READ


4.

I am back with a new post. The topic this time is quite different from the usual debate about Emperor Asoka. This post aims to critically examine the veracity of the information contained in ancient texts about Asoka, including Buddhist, Tibetan and Sanskrit texts.

Here is the Link to the Post:

Mauryan Emperor Asoka Killed 99 brothers to get the Throne | Fact or Myth ? And other Questions | A Debate

According to these texts, Asoka slew 99 of his brothers to occupy the throne of Magadha. This post analyses the circumstances in which Asoka ascended the throne of Magadha and whether he was truly guilty of fratricide on a mass scale.


The post is not only limited to the above topic. This post also aims to answer various questions like:-

- Did Asoka kill Susima? If yes, then why and how ?

- Was Asoka extremely ruthless and highly ambitious in his early youth ?

- Who did Bindusara want to succeed him to the throne - Asoka or Susima ?

- Who was Rani Dharma? Was she a commoner or a royal princess ?


I have made use of as many traditions and accounts as possible whose names are present in the post itself. English, Sanskrit, Pali, German, etc. scans from those texts are present along with them.


Will Keep Updating this Post for links..



Edited by history_geek - 5 years ago
Posted: 6 years ago
Originally posted by zaara610


Thanks a lot for sharing this..
 
Welcome Wink
Posted: 6 years ago
I read dis b4 n forgot.. TFS! Big smile

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