Historical Discussion on Ashoka and Storyline - Page 2

Posted: 9 years ago
Khorasan, also written as Khurasan, (Persian: or ) is a historical region lying in the northeast of Persia that has been mentioned in various sources in the past. "In pre-Islamic and early Islamic times, the term "Khurassan" frequently had a much wider denotation, covering also parts of Central Asia and Afghanistan; early Islamic usage often regarded everywhere east of western Persia, sc. Djibal or what was subsequently termed 'Irak 'Adjami, as being included in a vast and ill-defined region of Khurasan, which might even extend to the Indus Valley and Sind." Before Islamization of the region, the inhabitants of Khorasan had mostly practiced Zoroastrianism but at different stages there were also various adherents of Manichaeism, Sun worshippers (Mithraism), Nestorianism, Paganism, Shamanism, Buddhism and a small number of Jews too...Khorasan in its proper sense comprised principally the cities of Mashhad, Nishapur, Sabzevar and Kashmar (now in Iran), Balkh and Herat (now in Afghanistan), Merv, Nisa and Abiward (now in Turkmenistan), Samarqand and Bukhara (now in Uzbekistan). "

"...at certain times Khorasan covered a wider area, which included parts of Transoxiana, Soghdiana, Sistan, and extended to the boundaries of the Indian subcontinent. When the Arabs first arrived to the area south of the Hindu Kush to defeat the Zunbils, they recognized it as Hind (Sind) due to its cultural connection with Greater India. Sources from the 14th to the 16th century report that south of the Hindu Kush (Zamindawar, Baluchistan and Kabulistan) formed a frontier between Khorasan and Hindustan."

Posted: 9 years ago
Well a simple fact is no matter how stellar your star cast is or spectacular a visual treat is; if it isn't backed with logic and facts it cease to amaze. And here the man they are talking about is like the S.I. unit for comparison in history; so they have to be murderously accurate in their portrayal.

First and foremost, one major player is missing out of the drama and that is Amatya Rakshash. He was pretty much present in the growing years of Asoka and along with Chanakya/Kautilya was a silent beneficiary of the Magadh Empire. 


Next, Noor Khorsan. Well there is a mention of a Persian courtesan who stayed with Bindusara as his 'rakshita' or keep. She gave birth to a son who was later assassinated by Asoka. She never was a princess as shown and was NOT Bindusara's wife. Her name isn't mention much but rest assured it can never be Noor Khorsan as this is a pure Islamic name; a religion that was not even in existence 2000 years ago!


Thirdly, Justin. Well I have never come across Helena/Cornelia's son; so this is pretty new to me. But even if he did exist; there is no way that he was older than Bindusara. Chandragupta had stayed a monogamous widower for 16-18 years. So if he indeed had a son with Helena/Cornelia; it could never be that he was older than Bindusara.


And now the major blow. How on earth is it that Shubhadrangi/Dharma is abandoned in a forest? Some believe her to be a rakshita to Bindusara but most historians are of the belief that she was a rani or a low queen, completely neglected and uncared for. She was the only Brahmin woman that Bindusara had married, It was during her pregnancy that a prophecy was made that her first born shall rise like no other and would remain matchless for ages to come. This is what brought her back to notice although her position didn't change much as Charumitra held the politics of the Imperial Palace. 


Another thing that must be made mention of is language. Magadha had three major languages, namely Sanskrit, Pali and Magahi. While I understand neither of them can be used, they should make sure that Sanskrit derivative Hindi is put to use. 

Posted: 9 years ago
Hi😊 nice to see u here...m sure helena was not negative too, but u know, in this show, any resemblance to any historical character is purely fictional😆😆 Id rather, just watch it for great presentation and visual appeal😛
this is what a fellow friend - geetu had shared - from synopsis available by colors - and when we read this, right that time itself its clear that the show is going to be anything but historically accurate😆
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"This is a tale of a boy who is born under odd circumstances amidst the fire with the fate to become one of the greatest emperors of India in the history.

The story begins from an assassination attempt on Maurya King Bindusaar who escapes his death to find rescue in a jungle where a Brahmin girl named Shubhdrangi not only saves his life but wins his heart by her pure soul beautiful mind. Bindusaar names her Dharma. Meanwhile, Bindusaar's stepmother Helena announces his death and plots to make her son Justin the king and provokes the internal rivals to rise and make Magadh burn and weaken. Chankaya plays a pivotal role to find Bindusaar and bring him back to Patliputra before its too late. Helena's plan fails but succeeds to make Chanakya leave Magadh by accusing him to be the reason for Bindusaar's mother death. Chanakya leaves Patliputra with a promise that even if he is away, he will be watching over Magadh. Chanakya is aware of the fact that Magadh's future after Bidusaar lies in dark and unless a better king rises to power, Bindusaar's sons will ruin the Mauryavansh legacy and India will be plunged into chaos and destruction.

While Bindusaar gets busy to bring peace and law and order back in place in Magadha, an attempt to kill Dharma takes place by Bindusaar's one of the wives named Noor and her father Mir Khorasan. Pregnant Dharma escapes her death and delivers a boy amidst the attack, who she names Ashok- which means without pain'. Dharma thinks that its Bindusaar who wanted her and her son killed decides to live in jungle hiding her identity and son Ashok, who is her only reason to survive and live.

Being raised by mother Dharma in jungle in isolation, Ashok grows up as a boy who calls himself as Vanraj the king of jungle'. 14 years later, Chanakya finds Ashok and brings him to Paltiputra with his mother Dharma against her will. Unknown to the fact that why Chanakya has brought Ashok to Patliputra, Ashok is trained by Chanakya, while Dharma endures daily humiliation and abuse from the other queens and treated like a maid. Dharma realizes that Bindusaar still loves her and couldn't have possibly have send soldiers to kill her. She suffers in silence.

Amidst all the conspiracies, Chanakya dies but leaves Ashoka behind who is trained enough to find his way to the throne, which he truly deserves. Ashoka's quest for the truth about his father who left him and his mother to suffer makes him an aggressive and indispensible warrior. Later Ashok finds that his father is no one but the King Bindusaar who he serves. He vows he will not rest until his mother gets the position and respect she deserves.

His struggle begins and Ashoka finally gets his father to acknowledge his mother and give her the throne and stature she deserves. By this time, Ashoka has become an unconquerable warrior in the kingdom through numerous achievements and a threat to other sons of Bindusaar who want to be the king.
Ashoka thrives amidst all the attempts by his brothers and internal and external enemies to pull him down and he emerges as a great warrior and true successor of King Bindusaar.

After Bindusaar's death, Ashoka takes over the throne in order to protect his mother and motherland to preserve the empire and expand it. His biggest threat and challenge is the neighboring nation of Kalinga who wants to dethrone Ashoka and take over the empire for their own political gain. Ashok determines to defeat all his evil enemies and conquer the world once for all. In the midst of all violence and turmoil, Ashoka meets and falls in love with a beautiful young woman Kuruwaki who is a true follower of Buddhism and hates violence.

Ashoka conquers all his enemies in the 24 realms and earns the title Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat. After the victory over his last enemy, Kalinga, Ashok lays down his sword and swears off violence forever to rule peacefully. He has rid the world of evil and created the greatest empire the world has ever seen. That is why he is known as Ashoka the Great!

Slot: Mon-Fri, 9:00 PM - 10:00 PM (IST)
Channel: Colors 

Posted: 9 years ago
this is what a fellow friend - geetu had shared - from the whole synopsis of ashoka available by colors - and when we read this, right that time itself its clear that the show is going to be anything but historically accurate😆 coz frankly everything is upside down in it...

it was pretty evident that they were gona whitewash ashoka like anything, more than anything else Id have been much interested to see the right portrayal of chanda ashoka..🤓 and since CVs have decided to go along with only dramatization rather than history - all I can say is any resemblance to historical characters is purely co-incidental in the show😛

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Synopsis available - 

"This is a tale of a boy who is born under odd circumstances amidst the fire with the fate to become one of the greatest emperors of India in the history.

The story begins from an assassination attempt on Maurya King Bindusaar who escapes his death to find rescue in a jungle where a Brahmin girl named Shubhdrangi not only saves his life but wins his heart by her pure soul beautiful mind. Bindusaar names her Dharma. Meanwhile, Bindusaar's stepmother Helena announces his death and plots to make her son Justin the king and provokes the internal rivals to rise and make Magadh burn and weaken. Chankaya plays a pivotal role to find Bindusaar and bring him back to Patliputra before its too late. Helena's plan fails but succeeds to make Chanakya leave Magadh by accusing him to be the reason for Bindusaar's mother death. Chanakya leaves Patliputra with a promise that even if he is away, he will be watching over Magadh. Chanakya is aware of the fact that Magadh's future after Bidusaar lies in dark and unless a better king rises to power, Bindusaar's sons will ruin the Mauryavansh legacy and India will be plunged into chaos and destruction.

While Bindusaar gets busy to bring peace and law and order back in place in Magadha, an attempt to kill Dharma takes place by Bindusaar's one of the wives named Noor and her father Mir Khorasan. Pregnant Dharma escapes her death and delivers a boy amidst the attack, who she names Ashok- which means without pain'. Dharma thinks that its Bindusaar who wanted her and her son killed decides to live in jungle hiding her identity and son Ashok, who is her only reason to survive and live.

Being raised by mother Dharma in jungle in isolation, Ashok grows up as a boy who calls himself as Vanraj the king of jungle'. 14 years later, Chanakya finds Ashok and brings him to Paltiputra with his mother Dharma against her will. Unknown to the fact that why Chanakya has brought Ashok to Patliputra, Ashok is trained by Chanakya, while Dharma endures daily humiliation and abuse from the other queens and treated like a maid. Dharma realizes that Bindusaar still loves her and couldn't have possibly have send soldiers to kill her. She suffers in silence.

Amidst all the conspiracies, Chanakya dies but leaves Ashoka behind who is trained enough to find his way to the throne, which he truly deserves. Ashoka's quest for the truth about his father who left him and his mother to suffer makes him an aggressive and indispensible warrior. Later Ashok finds that his father is no one but the King Bindusaar who he serves. He vows he will not rest until his mother gets the position and respect she deserves.

His struggle begins and Ashoka finally gets his father to acknowledge his mother and give her the throne and stature she deserves. By this time, Ashoka has become an unconquerable warrior in the kingdom through numerous achievements and a threat to other sons of Bindusaar who want to be the king.
Ashoka thrives amidst all the attempts by his brothers and internal and external enemies to pull him down and he emerges as a great warrior and true successor of King Bindusaar.

After Bindusaar's death, Ashoka takes over the throne in order to protect his mother and motherland to preserve the empire and expand it. His biggest threat and challenge is the neighboring nation of Kalinga who wants to dethrone Ashoka and take over the empire for their own political gain. Ashok determines to defeat all his evil enemies and conquer the world once for all. In the midst of all violence and turmoil, Ashoka meets and falls in love with a beautiful young woman Kuruwaki who is a true follower of Buddhism and hates violence.

Ashoka conquers all his enemies in the 24 realms and earns the title Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat. After the victory over his last enemy, Kalinga, Ashok lays down his sword and swears off violence forever to rule peacefully. He has rid the world of evil and created the greatest empire the world has ever seen. That is why he is known as Ashoka the Great!

Slot: Mon-Fri, 9:00 PM - 10:00 PM (IST)
Channel: Colors 


Posted: 9 years ago
Rofl...oh really Putija?hahahaa...evn u ll find me amusing too
Hiral that means they gonna follow movie ashoka...lol...love romance n exaggeration
Posted: 9 years ago
Originally posted by BabbaR_SheR


Rofl...oh really Putija?hahahaa...evn u ll find me amusing too
Hiral that means they gonna follow movie ashoka...lol...love romance n exaggeration
u bet😛😆 the karubaki angle literally makes me cringe! someone who is well versed with odissi history told me that ashoka and karubaki marriage did happen, and she aint fictional, but it was out of force and no great lovestory!🥱🥱

whatever happened to devi - looks like they wont be showing her either?😕😕
Posted: 9 years ago

All Facts and Truth about Ashoka and his family-

         Indeed Helena did exist though this name is hypothetically given and we don't know the actual name of the Greek princess who married Chandragupta. It's a pure fact that Selecus married his daughter to Chandragupta but Greeks due to shame and fear of anger of Greek People did not write about her name in Greek Chronicles. Indian Chronicles are of no use. They did not mention even the rebellions against Alexander which happened in North-West. Only Greek sources mention it. So those who are arguing Selecus had never any daughter called Helen is ahmm...yeah true but it doesn't mean he did not marry his daughter to chandu. It's that they did not mention her name in their sources. Perhaps we could find more about her if INDICA of Megasthenes was not destroyed. Megasthenes felt very proud of himself for having visited Sandrocottus that's our own Chandragupta Maurya.

         No one know who Durdhara was. She  may or may not have been Dhanananda's daughter. It is possible she was a princess of Vahik Pradesh as she was his Empress Consort and Chandragupta first conquered North Western Provinces. So it can be possible that he married Durdhara there. Who knows? No one.

         Ashoka was not a favorite son of Bindusara but he knew that Ashoka was competent. His empire remained intact due to brilliancy of his competent son. Sushima was crown prince but incompetency never gains anything. Ashoka won fair and square. Nothing is wrong in love and war.

         Ashoka's favorite queen- Well we can't say surely that if she was Devi or Karuwaki. Buddhist chronicles glorify Devi like goddess herself. They say she was his favorite queen. It can be possible but we should notice that Devi was a Buddhist and chronicles may have been biased in mentioning her. Still again we can't say she was not his favorite queen. Karuwaki is mentioned in his edict so scholars believed she was favorite and her son tivala was crown prince.  Devi is called Mahadevi and Karuwaki is called Dwitiya Devi means karuwaki's position was secondary to Devi both in rank and status.  So lets leave the matter and think both of them as favorite.

         Ashoka was very high tempered man and he struggled with it throughout his life. He wanted to be a good king and he tried his best for it. That's another matter that is pacifism led to weakening of  Mauryan Empire.

         Ashoka married many times and had many concubines. Karuwaki was a concubine in beginning. She was brought from Kalinga.

         Justin if existed would have been younger than Ashoka. I m saying maybe. Bindusara was 16 or 17 when Helen married Chandragupta so justin would have been very small when Bindusara was coronated. We have no evidence of any Justin in history. In fact even if Chandragupta had a son with Helen why would he name his son Justin when his father is Indian. That's nonsense. Selecus never interfered in Chandragupta's succession question. He did not care at all. Ha...He had many important things to do than doing Kitchen Politics. Lol...

         PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE WIKIPEDIA. THAT'S A RUBBISH SOURCE TO KNOW TRUE HISTORY.

Posted: 9 years ago
Originally posted by Hiral_Halwa


Hi😊 nice to see u here...m sure helena was not negative too, but u know, in this show, any resemblance to any historical character is purely fictional😆😆 Id rather, just watch it for great presentation and visual appeal😛
this is what a fellow friend - geetu had shared - from synopsis available by colors - and when we read this, right that time itself its clear that the show is going to be anything but historically accurate😆
+++++++++++++++++++++

"This is a tale of a boy who is born under odd circumstances amidst the fire with the fate to become one of the greatest emperors of India in the history.

The story begins from an assassination attempt on Maurya King Bindusaar who escapes his death to find rescue in a jungle where a Brahmin girl named Shubhdrangi not only saves his life but wins his heart by her pure soul beautiful mind. Bindusaar names her Dharma. Meanwhile, Bindusaar's stepmother Helena announces his death and plots to make her son Justin the king and provokes the internal rivals to rise and make Magadh burn and weaken. Chankaya plays a pivotal role to find Bindusaar and bring him back to Patliputra before its too late. Helena's plan fails but succeeds to make Chanakya leave Magadh by accusing him to be the reason for Bindusaar's mother death. Chanakya leaves Patliputra with a promise that even if he is away, he will be watching over Magadh. Chanakya is aware of the fact that Magadh's future after Bidusaar lies in dark and unless a better king rises to power, Bindusaar's sons will ruin the Mauryavansh legacy and India will be plunged into chaos and destruction.

While Bindusaar gets busy to bring peace and law and order back in place in Magadha, an attempt to kill Dharma takes place by Bindusaar's one of the wives named Noor and her father Mir Khorasan. Pregnant Dharma escapes her death and delivers a boy amidst the attack, who she names Ashok- which means without pain'. Dharma thinks that its Bindusaar who wanted her and her son killed decides to live in jungle hiding her identity and son Ashok, who is her only reason to survive and live.

Being raised by mother Dharma in jungle in isolation, Ashok grows up as a boy who calls himself as Vanraj the king of jungle'. 14 years later, Chanakya finds Ashok and brings him to Paltiputra with his mother Dharma against her will. Unknown to the fact that why Chanakya has brought Ashok to Patliputra, Ashok is trained by Chanakya, while Dharma endures daily humiliation and abuse from the other queens and treated like a maid. Dharma realizes that Bindusaar still loves her and couldn't have possibly have send soldiers to kill her. She suffers in silence.

Amidst all the conspiracies, Chanakya dies but leaves Ashoka behind who is trained enough to find his way to the throne, which he truly deserves. Ashoka's quest for the truth about his father who left him and his mother to suffer makes him an aggressive and indispensible warrior. Later Ashok finds that his father is no one but the King Bindusaar who he serves. He vows he will not rest until his mother gets the position and respect she deserves.

His struggle begins and Ashoka finally gets his father to acknowledge his mother and give her the throne and stature she deserves. By this time, Ashoka has become an unconquerable warrior in the kingdom through numerous achievements and a threat to other sons of Bindusaar who want to be the king.
Ashoka thrives amidst all the attempts by his brothers and internal and external enemies to pull him down and he emerges as a great warrior and true successor of King Bindusaar.

After Bindusaar's death, Ashoka takes over the throne in order to protect his mother and motherland to preserve the empire and expand it. His biggest threat and challenge is the neighboring nation of Kalinga who wants to dethrone Ashoka and take over the empire for their own political gain. Ashok determines to defeat all his evil enemies and conquer the world once for all. In the midst of all violence and turmoil, Ashoka meets and falls in love with a beautiful young woman Kuruwaki who is a true follower of Buddhism and hates violence.

Ashoka conquers all his enemies in the 24 realms and earns the title Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat. After the victory over his last enemy, Kalinga, Ashok lays down his sword and swears off violence forever to rule peacefully. He has rid the world of evil and created the greatest empire the world has ever seen. That is why he is known as Ashoka the Great!

Slot: Mon-Fri, 9:00 PM - 10:00 PM (IST)
Channel: Colors 

OH my god, they gave the whole storyline in the beginning. Are they mad? And this is pure nonsense. I think its 20% history and 80% fiction.
Posted: 9 years ago
Yeah karuvaki was there...she was follower of buddhism n believed in peace..somehow they got married n after that she was fully indulged in spreading buddhism with asoka...she was second wife of asoka...but dun if love happened before marriage or after..or evn if it evr happened or not..rofl
But yeah kaurvaki is not fictional at all
Posted: 9 years ago
Really hiral..the way the have started the show
Bindusar with dharma..that love angle..they gonna show js asika n kaurvaki...wonder...devi wud b thinking in the heavens...oh lord...if i took birth on earth or some other planet..rofl

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