Ruq wants Jalal to do a reverse yoga pose to see her painting? - Page 12

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Guys I have just returned to forum and just read some posts which gave the complete gist of what I missed in the last two episodes (Thursday & friday) and I really thank youall for giving me the complete update on the show. Now I am going to write something which you all feel avert even to imagine. Yes I just thoight I will write on Ruqu here as I saw everyone is cursing her for spoiling the epic moment of Jodha and Jalal.😉😉😉 and please don't throw stones at me for doing this.

If we the viewers can feel like this towards Ruqu for coming between Jodal & Jalal and have our blood boiling and BP shooting, what will happen to ruqu on seeing Jodha with her husband and with that close proximity? Whether we like it or not she is his wife and can feel jealous, insecurity witgh every passing minute of their closeness. A girl who had made up her mind to accept or shall i say bear Jodha and be pleasant to her so that she need not have to be kept away from her husband, had to face teh brutal truth t5hat her husband is no longer hers (not even partially) as he went ahead to hold Jodha's hand to take her into his palace. She had seen him doing so much preperation to welcom Jodha and to please him even she had gone ahead to make some adjustment in her approach and had ordered some improvised arranegments in the welcome theame. And she said teh same thing to Maham also that seh will adjust herself to accomodate Jodha so that she doesn't have to lose Jalal completely. Its easy said than done guys. So when she came to Jalal's hojra, she was not expecting Jodha over there and she wanted few moments with her husband (don't forget that even she was deprived of his company like Jodha) and if Jodha has all the right to claim his unaltered attention, so is Ruqu and other wives. We should not forget that Jalal is teh only husband they have and he needs tyo give them their share. When Jodha even before she realized her feelings for Jalal felt vulnerable and could not sleep that night when Jalal went to Ruqu, how do we expect Ruqu to have peace.

So she was dressed to attract her husband nad reached his room thinking he would be free by now after entertaining Jodha, she was presented to witness them in an everlasting hug and that was a big blow to any wife (whether she is classifeid as sofesticated or broadminded or narrow minded) and no wife can enjoy the sight of her husband entertaining his other wife and was obsorbed in her so much that he is oblivious to the external world. The camera focus on her was to show the changed feelings (from accomodative to helpless jealous) and with the so much happening to her in such a short period, her system could not bear the rush of blood and end result, her faint. Guys whether she is selfish or mean or rude, she is his wife and has all the right to expect his attention and seh is also an young girl whos mind is yet to mature.

Let us not forget even jalal was in the same frame of mind few months ago and the change in him is due to his wife Jodha and had Ruqu got such a good friend, may be she would have changed but we can not expect her to learn this tolerance from her husband's other wife.

Jalal knows how Ruqu must be feeling at the moment wheh she saw him with Jodha as even he had gone through that stage wheh he saw Jodha with Sujamal and so he can sympothise with her with that peck on her forehead which didn't go well with the viewers. One more thing whcih would have made Jalal plant a kiss on Ruqu's forehead is that when a person is too happy and could not control his emotions, he will be in a mindset to love all the people around him and that is what has happened to him now.

Originally posted by: deejagi

Jaya I get Rukayya's jealousy. It is just that her jealousy is not FOR LOVE of Jalal. It is ABOUT POWER for Rukayya. Does she not keep saying Jalal pe sirf humara HAQ hai. Everything is about rights and audha and power for Rukayya.

Has she been a good wife to Jalal? If just spending time with him and being a friend yes. Other ways no. If she is jealous of his physical proximity to Jodha - why did Rukayya goad him to marry Ben? Certainly not concerned for Ben!

Rukayya was willing to use any means to separate Jalal from Jodha. That time Jalal did not even love Jodha - the reason Rukayya wanted him away from Jodha was because Jodha influenced Jala's thoughts and made him see things from different POV. So Rukayya felt her control on Jalal was slipping.

How many times Jalal used to ask Rukayya if she felt jealous when he spent time with others she always said no as long as her audha and BEK was safe. Jalal craved for someone to love him just as a man and only Jodha has done that.

Even when Jodha did not love Jalal - she always reacted to the man - Jodha did not want anything from the Shehenshah.

Jodha did not come between Jalal and Rukayya because Rukayya never made a place for herself where Jalal felt loved and cherished. She used to make him wait for her, enjoy that power over him.

If Rukayya is young then isn't Jodha? When she underwent all that she did in Agra? Wasn't Jodha also pampered and protected and cherished in Amer? Why is Jodha's respect any less then Rukayya's? Did Rukayya ever give any respect to Jodha from day one in Agra? When Jodha was no threat to Rukayya?

These are some posts included in my Sunday favorites. I think even the writers might have forgotten this. You wanted to read old Sunday favorites threads and so I dug them up yesterday - in the process read some fabulous posts about Rukayya. I am copying them here for you, I hope the writers do not mind.😃

By RadhikaS0
If Ruq really wanted to be a loving wife, nothing could have stopped her. She is strong and can stand upto Jalal. And he indulges her, so he would have accepted her love if she had offered it. If Jodha could surmount his hatred and desire for revenge and her hatred to bring their relationship to this point, surely Ruq had it easier. Jalal was already her friend and trusted her. Where there is a will, there is a way. But Ruq was more enamoured of royal trappings and took Jalal for granted, as she had no competition. A person's true value is known only in the face of competition, not when there is monopoly. Jodha has succeeded like the proverbial tortoise who moves steadily ahead while the lazy hare keeps sleeping when it should have been making its moves

ClearBlueSky has written this in Skanda's thread about Rukayya

"Never take a person's dignity: it is worth everything to them, and nothing to you." Didn't we see her robbing their dignities when she was giving handouts to the other women in the harem? Everyone in the harem is at her disposition and at her mercy. "You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who can do nothing for them ( a quote by Ben Franklin). " Despite of reading many sympathetic posts about Ruq, after the harem handout scene, I never could learn to like Ruq.


These beautiful lines are shared by Ksithhi
"Ruq always calls Jalal as 'Jalal', but always treats him and expects him to be a Shehenshah to her. And expects him to treat her like a Khaas Begum. Jodha always calls Jalal 'Shehenshah', but always treats him and expects him to be Jalal to her. And expects him to treat her like wife."

By Peepu
Jalal is lining up his team, most important was his dialogue of soch ko taulna..to ruquaiah...I also loved the way he brought the part of jodha where she wanted him to be popular with people. so he wants to keep that begum close to him who brings to world to him not with whom who takes him away from the world.

So he is systematically alienating himself from rukaiyah and has realised that she cannot complete him the way jodha does mentally, emotionally and also as a chief queen.

So he has thrown open the doors of both his heart and mind to jodha. He doesn't want to be ruled but wants his soulmate to complete him.

The last line in Peepu's post I turned red - that is all that Rukayya wants she wants to Rule and control Jalal. Same thing MA also wants.

Rukayya's jealousy is for control and she has never given any respect to Jodha - even when Jodha was no threat to her and Jalal hated her. I am sure if during the Ben track if even once Rukayya had said to Jalal do not insult Jodha publicly she is your Begum - Jalal would have respected her.

Rukayya and the hojara change, Rukayya and the tent scene where she asked just recovering from poison Jodha to sleep out like a bandi - this is what Rukayya is. So no respect for her from me cos she never gives respect to anybody.

Do you think Rukayya even respects Jalal? If she did she would not have hid Adham in haram from Jalal, would not have taken MA side against HB in BK matter. Rukayya later told MA she did it for her own benefit so even Jalal's feelings do not count much for Rukayya.

If Rukayya is fighting for Jalal's attention now that is because she is like a spoilt child who threw away a toy and when she was other cherishing it now she wants to claim ownership of it. She wants the power that comes with proximity to Jalal. The painting Rukayya gifted? It was not for Jalal - it was for everybody else to SEE - so she put it where everybody coming to meet Jalal will see it! She wants to show her proximity to Jalal cos that is where she feels her audha comes from.

She does not even want to do it by showing care or affection or love for Jalal, she wants to lie and cheat her way to it.

Why would anybody like this Rukayya? If Rukayya had shown affection and some small amount of respect for Hoshiyaar also she would earn some respect. Rukayya only cares about what she wants and if in the process Jalal gets hurt she won't care so why would I feel sympathy for her!

PS : I think the fainting thing was fake mostly. She conveniently did it by toppling over a big vase to make noise!

Originally posted by: deejagi

Jaya I get Rukayya's jealousy. It is just that her jealousy is not FOR LOVE of Jalal. It is ABOUT POWER for Rukayya. Does she not keep saying Jalal pe sirf humara HAQ hai. Everything is about rights and audha and power for Rukayya.

Has she been a good wife to Jalal? If just spending time with him and being a friend yes. Other ways no. If she is jealous of his physical proximity to Jodha - why did Rukayya goad him to marry Ben? Certainly not concerned for Ben!

Rukayya was willing to use any means to separate Jalal from Jodha. That time Jalal did not even love Jodha - the reason Rukayya wanted him away from Jodha was because Jodha influenced Jala's thoughts and made him see things from different POV. So Rukayya felt her control on Jalal was slipping.

How many times Jalal used to ask Rukayya if she felt jealous when he spent time with others she always said no as long as her audha and BEK was safe. Jalal craved for someone to love him just as a man and only Jodha has done that.

Even when Jodha did not love Jalal - she always reacted to the man - Jodha did not want anything from the Shehenshah.

Jodha did not come between Jalal and Rukayya because Rukayya never made a place for herself where Jalal felt loved and cherished. She used to make him wait for her, enjoy that power over him.

If Rukayya is young then isn't Jodha? When she underwent all that she did in Agra? Wasn't Jodha also pampered and protected and cherished in Amer? Why is Jodha's respect any less then Rukayya's? Did Rukayya ever give any respect to Jodha from day one in Agra? When Jodha was no threat to Rukayya?

These are some posts included in my Sunday favorites. I think even the writers might have forgotten this. You wanted to read old Sunday favorites threads and so I dug them up yesterday - in the process read some fabulous posts about Rukayya. I am copying them here for you, I hope the writers do not mind.😃

By RadhikaS0
If Ruq really wanted to be a loving wife, nothing could have stopped her. She is strong and can stand upto Jalal. And he indulges her, so he would have accepted her love if she had offered it. If Jodha could surmount his hatred and desire for revenge and her hatred to bring their relationship to this point, surely Ruq had it easier. Jalal was already her friend and trusted her. Where there is a will, there is a way. But Ruq was more enamoured of royal trappings and took Jalal for granted, as she had no competition. A person's true value is known only in the face of competition, not when there is monopoly. Jodha has succeeded like the proverbial tortoise who moves steadily ahead while the lazy hare keeps sleeping when it should have been making its moves

ClearBlueSky has written this in Skanda's thread about Rukayya

"Never take a person's dignity: it is worth everything to them, and nothing to you." Didn't we see her robbing their dignities when she was giving handouts to the other women in the harem? Everyone in the harem is at her disposition and at her mercy. "You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who can do nothing for them ( a quote by Ben Franklin). " Despite of reading many sympathetic posts about Ruq, after the harem handout scene, I never could learn to like Ruq.


These beautiful lines are shared by Ksithhi
"Ruq always calls Jalal as 'Jalal', but always treats him and expects him to be a Shehenshah to her. And expects him to treat her like a Khaas Begum. Jodha always calls Jalal 'Shehenshah', but always treats him and expects him to be Jalal to her. And expects him to treat her like wife."

By Peepu
Jalal is lining up his team, most important was his dialogue of soch ko taulna..to ruquaiah...I also loved the way he brought the part of jodha where she wanted him to be popular with people. so he wants to keep that begum close to him who brings to world to him not with whom who takes him away from the world.

So he is systematically alienating himself from rukaiyah and has realised that she cannot complete him the way jodha does mentally, emotionally and also as a chief queen.

So he has thrown open the doors of both his heart and mind to jodha. He doesn't want to be ruled but wants his soulmate to complete him.

The last line in Peepu's post I turned red - that is all that Rukayya wants she wants to Rule and control Jalal. Same thing MA also wants.

Rukayya's jealousy is for control and she has never given any respect to Jodha - even when Jodha was no threat to her and Jalal hated her. I am sure if during the Ben track if even once Rukayya had said to Jalal do not insult Jodha publicly she is your Begum - Jalal would have respected her.

Rukayya and the hojara change, Rukayya and the tent scene where she asked just recovering from poison Jodha to sleep out like a bandi - this is what Rukayya is. So no respect for her from me cos she never gives respect to anybody.

Do you think Rukayya even respects Jalal? If she did she would not have hid Adham in haram from Jalal, would not have taken MA side against HB in BK matter. Rukayya later told MA she did it for her own benefit so even Jalal's feelings do not count much for Rukayya.

If Rukayya is fighting for Jalal's attention now that is because she is like a spoilt child who threw away a toy and when she was other cherishing it now she wants to claim ownership of it. She wants the power that comes with proximity to Jalal. The painting Rukayya gifted? It was not for Jalal - it was for everybody else to SEE - so she put it where everybody coming to meet Jalal will see it! She wants to show her proximity to Jalal cos that is where she feels her audha comes from.

She does not even want to do it by showing care or affection or love for Jalal, she wants to lie and cheat her way to it.

Why would anybody like this Rukayya? If Rukayya had shown affection and some small amount of respect for Hoshiyaar also she would earn some respect. Rukayya only cares about what she wants and if in the process Jalal gets hurt she won't care so why would I feel sympathy for her!

PS : I think the fainting thing was fake mostly. She conveniently did it by toppling over a big vase to make noise!

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Reply to Kaana in bold blue. 😊

Mansi, I am also reminded of Jalal's self talk before going to Amer, when he said how Ruquiyya always used to take away things from him.

But this is something, he will never give away. As Kshiti also beautifully said, he has now felt that love. That is why, for once or the only time, he went by his own decisions (right from wedding) and not even realead anything to MA or Ruqaiyya. This is something, he cannot compromise and he knows for sure is something that he has been longing for all along.

And guys, I would like to know your thoughts on the below:

1. I somehow felt that the element of I could not be away from you or I have caused you so much pain seem to be missing in these two conversations respectively (Jodha never said or meant anything this direction?).

I don't think Jodha can say I could not bear to be away from you to Jalal yet cos they are both in hesitant mode. Even Jalal said that there is so much I want to say to you but I cannot so I say that to your painting. It is just understood by both of them that they love each other. Jodha told that to Jalal indirectly by saying she feels he is the best human being and Jalal told that to her by his various actions lie taking care of Tulsi paudha. They are yet to become comfortable with each other again to open up what is in their heart.

2. What is the pran that Jodha was mentioning? Did she do any pran anytime for his change of heart for riyya or for that matter for him to see his own heart? As far as I remember she only did a pran to get Jalal's heart.

Confused about this! However I think this might be about telling him to rule over the hearts of his awam not by sword.

3. Jodha's apology blaming herself - how much and where all exactly is she wrong in this?

When Jalal apologized various times it was with different feeling every time. This is what I had written about each of his apology and frame of mind then.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4023880&PID=106496493&#p106496493

Jodha was the aggrieved party because 1. she did not know till the night he threw her out that he knew about her meetings with Sujamal 2. Jalal threw her out etc. and so her hurt was deep rooted. When her hurt went away and she forgave that is when she started to see HER part in the MU.

That is what she told Jalal - that if she had confided in him, trusted him then the MU might not have happened.

4. Jodha's statement that I had forgiven you sometime back, but could not forgive myself. Also, did we get any sign of this statement before?

Jodha said this to Bharmal first that she wants to correct her mistake and she wants to go back to Jalal. Once she decided she could not wait even a night in Amer.

I think when a person apologizes with real feelings then they tend to take all the blame upon themselves. Jalal also accused Jodha in Amer that she was also part of causing the MU. However, when he asked her to whip him he took all te blame.

Similarly Jodha is very sincere in her apology and blaming herself because she failed to see his reaction stemmed from the fact of how he saw everything with that colored view. So she also has taken blame for her part in the MU and she told this to Jalal truthfully. So once she forgave Jalal she started to see her own faults in the MU. Jalal was not in Amer then for her to talk about this.

Jalal accused Jodha of she also being part of MU just when he left Amer. Maybe that is when she started to think of her own acts. If the CVs treated Jodha character with as much love as they do some others and gave her as many self talks then we would not be in this confused state!

Originally posted by: neeshaa16

Originally posted by: deejagi

Jaya I get Rukayya's jealousy. It is just that her jealousy is not FOR LOVE of Jalal. It is ABOUT POWER for Rukayya. Does she not keep saying Jalal pe sirf humara HAQ hai. Everything is about rights and audha and power for Rukayya.

Has she been a good wife to Jalal? If just spending time with him and being a friend yes. Other ways no. If she is jealous of his physical proximity to Jodha - why did Rukayya goad him to marry Ben? Certainly not concerned for Ben!

Rukayya was willing to use any means to separate Jalal from Jodha. That time Jalal did not even love Jodha - the reason Rukayya wanted him away from Jodha was because Jodha influenced Jala's thoughts and made him see things from different POV. So Rukayya felt her control on Jalal was slipping.

How many times Jalal used to ask Rukayya if she felt jealous when he spent time with others she always said no as long as her audha and BEK was safe. Jalal craved for someone to love him just as a man and only Jodha has done that.

Even when Jodha did not love Jalal - she always reacted to the man - Jodha did not want anything from the Shehenshah.

Jodha did not come between Jalal and Rukayya because Rukayya never made a place for herself where Jalal felt loved and cherished. She used to make him wait for her, enjoy that power over him.

If Rukayya is young then isn't Jodha? When she underwent all that she did in Agra? Wasn't Jodha also pampered and protected and cherished in Amer? Why is Jodha's respect any less then Rukayya's? Did Rukayya ever give any respect to Jodha from day one in Agra? When Jodha was no threat to Rukayya?

These are some posts included in my Sunday favorites. I think even the writers might have forgotten this. You wanted to read old Sunday favorites threads and so I dug them up yesterday - in the process read some fabulous posts about Rukayya. I am copying them here for you, I hope the writers do not mind.😃

By RadhikaS0
If Ruq really wanted to be a loving wife, nothing could have stopped her. She is strong and can stand upto Jalal. And he indulges her, so he would have accepted her love if she had offered it. If Jodha could surmount his hatred and desire for revenge and her hatred to bring their relationship to this point, surely Ruq had it easier. Jalal was already her friend and trusted her. Where there is a will, there is a way. But Ruq was more enamoured of royal trappings and took Jalal for granted, as she had no competition. A person's true value is known only in the face of competition, not when there is monopoly. Jodha has succeeded like the proverbial tortoise who moves steadily ahead while the lazy hare keeps sleeping when it should have been making its moves

ClearBlueSky has written this in Skanda's thread about Rukayya

"Never take a person's dignity: it is worth everything to them, and nothing to you." Didn't we see her robbing their dignities when she was giving handouts to the other women in the harem? Everyone in the harem is at her disposition and at her mercy. "You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who can do nothing for them ( a quote by Ben Franklin). " Despite of reading many sympathetic posts about Ruq, after the harem handout scene, I never could learn to like Ruq.


These beautiful lines are shared by Ksithhi
"Ruq always calls Jalal as 'Jalal', but always treats him and expects him to be a Shehenshah to her. And expects him to treat her like a Khaas Begum. Jodha always calls Jalal 'Shehenshah', but always treats him and expects him to be Jalal to her. And expects him to treat her like wife."

By Peepu
Jalal is lining up his team, most important was his dialogue of soch ko taulna..to ruquaiah...I also loved the way he brought the part of jodha where she wanted him to be popular with people. so he wants to keep that begum close to him who brings to world to him not with whom who takes him away from the world.

So he is systematically alienating himself from rukaiyah and has realised that she cannot complete him the way jodha does mentally, emotionally and also as a chief queen.

So he has thrown open the doors of both his heart and mind to jodha. He doesn't want to be ruled but wants his soulmate to complete him.

The last line in Peepu's post I turned red - that is all that Rukayya wants she wants to Rule and control Jalal. Same thing MA also wants.

Rukayya's jealousy is for control and she has never given any respect to Jodha - even when Jodha was no threat to her and Jalal hated her. I am sure if during the Ben track if even once Rukayya had said to Jalal do not insult Jodha publicly she is your Begum - Jalal would have respected her.

Rukayya and the hojara change, Rukayya and the tent scene where she asked just recovering from poison Jodha to sleep out like a bandi - this is what Rukayya is. So no respect for her from me cos she never gives respect to anybody.

Do you think Rukayya even respects Jalal? If she did she would not have hid Adham in haram from Jalal, would not have taken MA side against HB in BK matter. Rukayya later told MA she did it for her own benefit so even Jalal's feelings do not count much for Rukayya.

If Rukayya is fighting for Jalal's attention now that is because she is like a spoilt child who threw away a toy and when she was other cherishing it now she wants to claim ownership of it. She wants the power that comes with proximity to Jalal. The painting Rukayya gifted? It was not for Jalal - it was for everybody else to SEE - so she put it where everybody coming to meet Jalal will see it! She wants to show her proximity to Jalal cos that is where she feels her audha comes from.

She does not even want to do it by showing care or affection or love for Jalal, she wants to lie and cheat her way to it.

Why would anybody like this Rukayya? If Rukayya had shown affection and some small amount of respect for Hoshiyaar also she would earn some respect. Rukayya only cares about what she wants and if in the process Jalal gets hurt she won't care so why would I feel sympathy for her!

PS : I think the fainting thing was fake mostly. She conveniently did it by toppling over a big vase to make noise!

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Originally posted by: Kaana

Maddy thanksfor reposting all these beautiful quotes. I completely agree with all but have my own soft corner for Ruqu as she had been pampered by Jalal & Hamida and now both have turned their attention towards Jodha. So like any neglected child, ruqu is acting and showing her "attention seeking syndrome". Like Jalal (so far he had been claiming that he doesn't have an heart) even she has not realized she has an heart and it beats for Jalal. she had been taught that any wife has to rule over her husband to sustain her position and in polygamy if she succumbs, she will be thrown out of the place instantly by others and to keep her hold on her position, she was commanding over all including Jalal ad even he didn't had problems with it. Now things have changed. She is experiencing the soil below her feet is vibrating and can give away any moment. So she is not caring to check whether it is due to her breaking heart or her political position. She is acting impulsivley to shun Jodha away, so that she can reinstall her position thinking that Jalal will return back to her like always.

The child who had tasted the undiverted ection of all the family for years will feel the threat in the new child when thewhole family dart towards the small child and make fuss on its safety or praise the beauty of its face or smile. The first thing the child will do is ti hurt teh small kid physically while eldesr are not around and if that is failed, it will act sick (I have got a psychologists word on this) or undergo the physical pain due to stress, jyust to draw the attention of its beloveds. If that truick doesn't work, it will inrectyly attack the small kid while others are around but will not notice...

I think ruqu is at this stage now and if someone notice her and acknoledge her feelings, she might change otehrwise she will try to damage Jodha and might feel that if I can't have Jalal, let it be the same case with Jodha. I will not allow Jodha to have him while he is parting with me.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Maddy thanksfor reposting all these beautiful quotes. I completely agree with all but have my own soft corner for Ruqu as she had been pampered by Jalal & Hamida and now both have turned their attention towards Jodha. So like any neglected child, ruqu is acting and showing her "attention seeking syndrome". Like Jalal (so far he had been claiming that he doesn't have an heart) even she has not realized she has an heart and it beats for Jalal. she had been taught that any wife has to rule over her husband to sustain her position and in polygamy if she succumbs, she will be thrown out of the place instantly by others and to keep her hold on her position, she was commanding over all including Jalal ad even he didn't had problems with it. Now things have changed. She is experiencing the soil below her feet is vibrating and can give away any moment. So she is not caring to check whether it is due to her breaking heart or her political position. She is acting impulsivley to shun Jodha away, so that she can reinstall her position thinking that Jalal will return back to her like always.

The child who had tasted the undiverted ection of all the family for years will feel the threat in the new child when thewhole family dart towards the small child and make fuss on its safety or praise the beauty of its face or smile. The first thing the child will do is ti hurt teh small kid physically while eldesr are not around and if that is failed, it will act sick (I have got a psychologists word on this) or undergo the physical pain due to stress, jyust to draw the attention of its beloveds. If that truick doesn't work, it will inrectyly attack the small kid while others are around but will not notice...

I think ruqu is at this stage now and if someone notice her and acknoledge her feelings, she might change otehrwise she will try to damage Jodha and might feel that if I can't have Jalal, let it be the same case with Jodha. I will not allow Jodha to have him while he is parting with me.