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Justitia

@Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

#211

Originally posted by: smrth
Amazing,spoilers! Of the twisted versions, this one takes the cake. Who gets best whitewash here? Is it Yudhishthir? Who has no fault in losing or staking everything and everybody's safety? For he was most reluctantly compelled here!...But wait. he has an 'elder' brother. It is he, who would be crowned most innocent, virtuous and tragically gallant. In this version, he does no wrong. He is honourably bound and he shuts his eyes down tight, as soon as Dury orders Vastraharan!...Inwardly quivering, ' Swami Duryodhan, aap ye Kya kar rahe he!!'
Moral of this fable, Glorious elders. They are born 'right'...🤢

Extended spoilers are even more brilliant -

One of the rules for the dice game - People (as in, "humans") are "permitted" to be staked as well ("...whatever or whoever...") 🤢

So, technically, as per ⭐️Bharat, Yudi is not at fault if he stakes his bros 'cos he is only following the rules of the game...😕

And Drau's question will be valid only AFTER he loses himself...

But, as per ⭐️Bharat, the vastraharan has ALREADY been planned beforehand. So...exactly who is at fault here?

Edited by shani88 - 11 years ago

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smrth

@smrth

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Posted: 11 years ago

#212

Originally posted by: shani88

Extended spoilers are even more brilliant -
One of the rules for the dice game - People (as in, "humans") are "permitted" to be staked as well ("...whatever or whoever...") 🤢
So, technically, as per ⭐️Bharat, Yudi is not at fault if he stakes his bros and Drau 'cos he is only following the rules of the game...😕

Oh pleas don't question. One is Son of Sun. Another is Son of Dharma. Others are born to serve...

Dharmaputra is 'stainless steel' by definition.

As for Suryaputra, after Vastraharan, he should gleam so white, we may safely question, why partial God achieved his slaughter? What a murderer- that cheating Arjuna. Adharm. ghor Adharm.

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smrth

@smrth

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Posted: 11 years ago

#213

A trivial display of his ethical honesty.

"Yudhishthira, however, O bull of the Bharata race, hearing of Duryodhana's intentions, sent a trusted messenger unto Draupadi, directing that although she was attired in one piece of cloth with her navel itself exposed, in consequence of her season having come, she should come before her father-in-law weeping bitterly. And that intelligent messenger, O king, having gone to Draupadi's abode with speed, informed her of the intentions of Yudhishthira..."

Oh sorry it is from that stupid original version. Must be later 'interpolation'.Never mind.🤢

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Ashwini_D

@Ashwini_D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#214

Originally posted by: gossipgirl21

Inherently, Yudi was a better human being than K and D-D and their other brother (and before the K fans jump at me; THIS is MY opinion). He had a greater right on throne than Duri did; it is said that Shakuni cheated through the game. Yudi is always filled with shame and guilt throughout his exile. It is said that Yudi used these years to clean up his fate. Travelling to holy spots and listening to sacred stories is said to apaprently reduce karmic debt.

Anyways, to each their own.

If we sat down to make a table of who was right and wrong; inevitable the scales would be higher on the pandavas side.

Can you please share which version of the MB says this? I'm not trying to contradict you, but was genuinely curious about this. Although Shakuni being a fraud is the general consensus, i did not find any evidence in KMG which supports this. Instead, it appears as if Shakuni was better skilled at dice than Yudisthira and hence won.

Edited by ashwi_d - 11 years ago

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Aish

@AishwaryaRathod

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Posted: 11 years ago

#215

Originally posted by: ashwi_d

Can you please share which version of the MB says this? I'm not trying to contradict you, but was genuinely curious about this. Although Shakuni being a fraud is the general consensus, i did not find any evidence in KMG which supports this. Instead, it appears as if Shakuni was better skilled at dice than Yudisthira and hence won.

I am not sure if this thread allows me to state my sources because it uses only the KMG version which is written in Shakespearean prose and thus quite difficult to read.

However since you have asked I will tell you --mods I am answering a question and so should not be held responsible for mentioning other versions

My sources

1, The Critical Edition of the MB used at the Oxford Centre of Hindu Studies

2, Mahabharat: a modern rendering Vol 1 by Ramesh Menon

3. Arjuna, the saga of a Pandav warrior prince

4. the encyclopedia of Indian Literature volume 2

5, The illustrated encyclopaedia of Hinduism

These are the books we had to read when I took my Hinduism studies class one summer at Oxford and they all said either Shakuni's dice were loaded or he cheated.

Edited by gossipgirl21 - 11 years ago

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#216

@Gossipgirl:What does critical edition of MB or Mahabharat a modern rendering say about shakuni cheating?How did shakuni cheat?Even i want to know this .Becuase i think even as per the epic once krishna ji says that shakuni had cheated but i dont know how he cheated

I know the most famous story is that shakuni used the dice made of his father's bones who would always do what shakuni says but i dont think this is part of the epic.What do the above translations say?

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#217

So this is what krishna ji says regarding shakuni and dice game.This is before Arjuna kills karna when krishna ji is addressing karna

"Sanjaya said, 'Then Vasudeva, stationed on the car, addressed Karna, saying, "By good luck it is, O son of Radha, that thou rememberest virtue! It is generally seen that they that are mean, when they sink into distress, rail at Providence but never at their own misdeeds. Thyself and Suyodhana and Duhshasana and Shakuni, the son of Subala, had caused Draupadi, clad in a single piece of raiment, to be brought into the midst of the assembly. On that occasion, O Karna, this virtue of thine did not manifest itself. When at the assembly Shakuni, an adept in dice, vanquished Kunti's son Yudhishthira who was unacquainted with it, whither had this virtue of thine gone?

Is this why it is said that shakuni had cheated becuase yudi was unaware of how good shakuni was at dice game and hence allowed shakuni to play on Dury's behalf ?

Edited by Sabhayata - 11 years ago

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#218

Originally posted by: smrth

As for Suryaputra, after Vastraharan, he should gleam so white, we may safely question, why partial God achieved his slaughter? What a murderer- that cheating Arjuna. Adharm. ghor Adharm.

Actually this last part i do agree with

If they dont show Karna's participation in Draupadi's disgrace it will be difficult to explain his death at the end.It will seem like Arjuna and Krishna ji were being unfair whereas actually it was Karna facing consequences of his mistake's

But in anyways i am sure CV's will find a way to distort that track as well.I have full faith😆

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Srishti

@srishtisingh

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Posted: 11 years ago

#219

ok one thing I always wondered how everytime shakuni got the dices to do what he wanted meaning how he always won?.I mean dice is game of probability right how come it was always in his favour? I really don't know but the way they showed in brc it was a bit like ludo dices.in ludo we don't always get our desired no. until we cheat a bit
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Nandini

@NandiniRaizadaa

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Posted: 11 years ago

#220

Originally posted by: mnx12
When Pooja said, cheer haran kabhi hua nahi tha, means unlimited sarees made it look like she was always covered. Her eyes were closed praying to Krishna all the while. For her it was him helping in her time of need. So she is right from her pov.

I agree she was not really disrobed . Krishna protected her

But it's the saddest part of Mahabharat

Edited by Nandiniraizaada - 11 years ago