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Posted: 11 years ago

(CNN) -- As investigators search for clues to what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the answer to one question may prove key: Why did the transponder in the Boeing 777-200ER stop transmitting information?

The fact that it happened at all is astonishing to John Nance, a broadcast aviation analyst and veteran pilot. "It is hard to conceive of a situation in which a triple seven would lose all ability to have its transponder on and the crew would not find some way to communicate," he told CNN.

A senior Malaysian air force official said Tuesday that the plane traveled hundreds of miles in the opposite direction from its original destination, and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared from radar screens.

Suggestions that the plane veered off course and that its transponder was not working raise questions about a hijacking, but a catastrophic power failure or other problem might also explain the anomalies, analysts said.



Turned off intentionally

Kit Darby, a longtime pilot, said Tuesday it was not clear whether the transponder was turned off intentionally. A power failure would have turned off the main transponder and its backup, and the plane could have flown for more than an hour with such a power failure, the president of Aviation Information Resources told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

But Nance expressed doubt that that could have been the case. The electrical system aboard the plane is so robust and the transponder draws so little power that it would be one of the last pieces of equipment to go dark, even after a catastrophic event like an engine explosion or a breach of the cabin and rapid decompression, he said.

"I'm in a head-scratching mode," Nance said. "The most likely probability is that a human hand turned that off. Then you get into the logic tree of who and why and there aren't that many channels in that tree."

He added, "This is beginning to look very, very much like a hijacking."

A former Federal Aviation Administration safety inspector agreed. David Soucie, author of "Why Planes Crash," cited the redundant electrical, charging, battery and communications systems on Boeing 777s. Much had to go wrong for the aircraft to lose its transponder and then to veer off course, he said, adding that it stands to reason "that someone forced those pilots to take control of the aircraft and take it off course."

Turning off a transponder requires a deliberative process, said Peter Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board. "If someone did that in the cockpit, they were doing it to disguise the route of the plane," he told CNN. "There might still be mechanical explanations on what was going on, but those mechanical explanations are narrowing quickly."

Questions and answers

'Patchy' radar

Alastair Rosenschein suggested that a pressurization problem may have been to blame. If the plane lost pressure and the pilots failed to don their masks within a few seconds, "they would become unconscious," the aviation consultant and former British Airways Boeing 747 pilot told CNN. "The aircraft would continue on the last heading.If that happened, the plane may have crashed in the middle of the Indian Ocean, nowhere near where the search is going on, he noted.

How does he explain the loss of the transponder signal?

"It is possible that, even with the transponder putting out a signal, the radar controllers didn't notice it, pay attention to it or receive it," he speculated. That would be rare, he acknowledged, but so too is the disappearance of a jetliner.

And radar is "pretty patchy" around there, he said.

The transponder broke

The mechanics of the device may have been at fault, said Kirk Fryar, president of Sarasota Avionics, which sells the devices. "They're not supposed to break, but they do break," he told CNN. "Sometimes the transponder itself could be off frequency, not sending the right pulse."

The boxes are located in the cockpit, within reach of the pilot, copilot or both, he said. Each is equipped with an on, standby or off mode.

And there is often more than one. "Boeing would have at least two transponders," he said. "What happens is sometimes you're flying along and, say, your transponder breaks and reports the wrong code or wrong altitude, air traffic control will go, 'You need to turn it off because we're getting erroneous readings,'" he said.

And, if one were to break, the pilot or copilot would have to flip a switch to replace it, something that a pilot stressed during an emergency might not do.

An antenna malfunction may also have been to blame, but that would be unlikely on a Boeing, which undergoes routine maintenance checks, Fryar said.


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

The terror angle that got rejected in the beginning now seems probable actually. But why isn't there anything on that front? (barring Chinese rumours of Uyghur militants being behind it)



I get the hunch that all this talk about plane being in the ocean is just a diversion. Im reading a lot of stuff online on other social media outlets and some users IN MALAYSIA, are claiming they have insider information that everything on the news is fake (the fact that they release some kind of news and then retract it) and that the plane has been hijacked and is in negotiations. Again, not sure if its true but just sharing another conspiracy theory.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan



I get the hunch that all this talk about plane being in the ocean is just a diversion. Im reading a lot of stuff online on other social media outlets and some users IN MALAYSIA, are claiming they have insider information that everything on the news is fake (the fact that they release some kind of news and then retract it) and that the plane has been hijacked and is in negotiations. Again, not sure if its true but just sharing another conspiracy theory.



Possible. Otherwise the other things just don't add up. Ground control not reporting, Indian Naval radar not catching anything, Malayasian Govt.'s suspicious behaviour et al. Plus there's no reason why the pilots would switch off the transponders on their own.
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Posted: 11 years ago
But then, why would terrorists want to keep this under wraps? 😕 And where can such a huge thing be hidden?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

]Possible. Otherwise the other things just don't add up. Ground control not reporting, Indian Naval radar not catching anything, Malayasian Govt.'s suspicious behaviour et al. Plus there's no reason why the pilots would switch off the transponders on their own.



Exactly, not to mention the "shady" quote of the Malaysian officials show said "there are some things we cannot tell you". That's just freaky.And didn't someone say the that Minister has flown away to an undisclosed location.

I also saw on CNN yday, One of the anchors stated that KL/Malaysia is known to house members of Al-Qaeda_, they usually send injured terrorists there to recover and I think a few people have been caught planning or whatever in KL. So it DOES Have the tie and relationship to terrorist groups. Here is an example of one of the meetings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_al-Qaeda_Summit

Its been said that 9/11 was actually planned in Kuala Lumpur. Scary!

Another weird thing I noticed, everyone focused on those 2 stolen passport guys on the plane. One of them was confirmed to be running away from Iran to seek residence in Germany. But what about the 2nd guy? How come no information has been given about him and his travel plans?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan



I get the hunch that all this talk about plane being in the ocean is just a diversion. Im reading a lot of stuff online on other social media outlets and some users IN MALAYSIA, are claiming they have insider information that everything on the news is fake (the fact that they release some kind of news and then retract it) and that the plane has been hijacked and is in negotiations. Again, not sure if its true but just sharing another conspiracy theory.

what could the hijackers possibly want? they're sooo busted when and if they get caught. I truly feel for the families 7 days now and STILL no confirmation 😒
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ponymo

Turning off the transponder is apparently as simple as turn off a bulb.. from an Avionics forum...

I read wrong info on transponders... Anyways why would a pilot switch off the transponder deliberately. They won't do it deliberately & it's not possible in cabin decompression conditions!

Alastair Rosenschein suggested that a pressurization problem may have been to blame. If the plane lost pressure and the pilots failed to don their masks within a few seconds, "they would become unconscious," the aviation consultant and former British Airways Boeing 747 pilot told CNN.
Edited by SG200 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SG200


I read wrong info on transponders... Anyways why would a pilot switch off the transponder deliberately. They won't do it deliberately & it's not possible in cabin depressurisation conditions!

Alastair Rosenschein suggested that a pressurization problem may have been to blame. If the plane lost pressure and the pilots failed to don their masks within a few seconds, "they would become unconscious," the aviation consultant and former British Airways Boeing 747 pilot told CNN.



Would losing pressure cause them to be switched off automatically?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz



Would losing pressure cause them to be switched off automatically?


Quoting from the CNN article posted above-

But Nance expressed doubt that that could have been the case. The electrical system aboard the plane is so robust and the transponder draws so little power that it would be one of the last pieces of equipment to go dark, even after a catastrophic event like an engine explosion or a breach of the cabin and rapid decompression, he said.


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Posted: 11 years ago
So, in all, hijacking seems the only probable answer.

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