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Posted: 11 years ago
That's my reading of Haranaharana Parva as well. I once discussed this at length in this thread we had in DBSK - +* Pandava parivar *+

The thought process went like this: when Arjun broke Draupadi-Yudisthir's privacy, the 2 may well have been in the process of procreating Prativindya. After that, it was unclear whether Arjun was exiled for 12 months or 12 years. I went on the assumption that he was exiled for at least 12 months, but had the option of staying away longer, depending on what he was doing. His travels to Naga lok & Manipura would have taken say a year or more, and then, after a one night stand w/ Uloopi, he'd have married Chitrangada and waited until Babruvahana was 1 year old b4 leaving. Again, it would have been a few months b4 he'd be in Dwarka.

Here, I tend to combine what's in Shrimad Bhagvatam and what's in Mahabharata. It's well known that Arjun introduced Krishna to his 4th wife Kalindi, and later helped him bring Satya home. Both Arjun & Bhima attended the swayamvara of Lakshmanaa, Krishna's 8th wife, and competed there. It's also known that Arjun taught advanced warfare to Pradhyumna & Satyaki, and maybe some of Krishna's other sons who were old enough at the time - maybe the sons of Rukmini, Jambavati & Satyabhama.

Following all this, Arjun would have had his tryst w/ Subhadra, which would have ended w/ him & Subhadra entering Indraprastha accompanied by all the Yadavas - Krishna, Balarama, Pradhyumna, Satyaki, et al.

Now, in this time frame, it's reasonable to assume that since both Y & B had priorities ahead of A as far as Draupadi went, it's more likely than not that Draupadi would not only have given birth to Pradhyumna, but would also have at least been pregnant w/, if not given birth to Satsoma. I think it unlikely that she'd have moved on to Nakul or Sahadev b4 she served Arjun. Which is why, I think she alternated b/w Yudisthir & Bhima until Arjun's return. Chances also are that while she was w/ Bhima his first year, Yudisthir married Devika, and while she was w/ Yudisthir his second year, Bhima married Valandhara. None of the 'not bringing their wives to Indraprastha' business.

Now, as far as Abhimanyu went, he was just 3 years old when the Pandavas left into exile, so my theory is that once Arjun returned to Indraprastha, Draupadi immediately got him, and Subhadra didn't have Abhimanyu until near the end. Draupadi would have then become pregnant w/ Shrutakarman, and later moved on to Nakul & Sahadev. Later, Nakul & Sahadev would have married the daughters of Jarasandha & Sishupala. I'd imagine that a few years would pass b/w Rajasuya yagna and the game of dice. Towards the end of that period, Abhimanyu, Nirmitra and Sahadev's son from Jarasandha's wife would have been born.

So the upaPandavas would have been around and young, but not as young as Abhimanyu.

Exit question: why is the term 'Upapandavas' reserved for Draupadi's sons alone, and not cover Yaudeha, Sarvaga, Abhimanyu, Nirmitra, Suhotra at least? Even Iravana & Ghatotkacha ought to be included - their being out of Indraprastha is one thing, but that doesn't make them non-Pandavas.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.


Exit question: why is the term 'Upapandavas' reserved for Draupadi's sons alone, and not cover Yaudeha, Sarvaga, Abhimanyu, Nirmitra, Suhotra at least? Even Iravana & Ghatotkacha ought to be included - their being out of Indraprastha is one thing, but that doesn't make them non-Pandavas.

An "exclusive" thing for Draupadi with the Pandavas alone, perhaps...I mean, SHE was the only one who was married to all five of them.

But, is that term really given in KMG? In Haranaharana Parva, when the sons of Draupadi are first introduced, there is NO mention of the term 'Upapandavas'.

KMG describes the sons of Draupadi as follows -
"The auspicious Panchali also, from her five husbands, obtained five sons all of whom were heroes of the foremost rank and immovable in battle like the hills. Prativindhya by Yudhishthira, Sutasoma by Vrikodara, Srutakarman by Arjuna, Satanika by Nakula, and Srutasena by Sahadeva,--these were the five heroes and great warriors that Panchali brought forth, like Aditi bringing forth the Adityas. And the Brahmanas, from their foreknowledge, said unto Yudhishthira that as the son of his would be capable of bearing like the Vindhya mountains the weapons of the foe, he should be called Prativindhya. And because the child that Draupadi bore to Bhimasena was born after Bhima had performed a thousand Soma sacrifices, he came to be called Sutasoma. And because Arjuna's son was born upon his return from exile during which he had achieved many celebrated feats, that child came to be called Srutakarman. While Nakula named his son Satanika after a royal sage of that name, in the illustrious race of Kuru. Again the son that Draupadi bore to Sahadeva was born under the constellation called Vahni-daivata (Krittika), therefore was he called after the generalissimo of the celestial host, Srutasena (Kartikeya). The sons of Draupadi were born, each at the interval of one year, and all of them became renowned and much attached to one another. And, O monarch, all their rites of infancy and childhood, such as Chudakarana and Upanayana (first shave of the head and investiture with the sacred threads) were performed by Dhaumya according to the ordinance. All of them, of excellent behaviour and vows, after having studied the Vedas, acquired from Arjuna a knowledge of all the weapons, celestial and human. And, O tiger among kings, the Pandavas, having obtained sons all of whom were equal unto the children of the celestials and endued with broad chests, and all of whom became great warriors, were filled with joy."

I see no mention of the term 'Upapandavas' here'. So, how did that term come about?
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Posted: 11 years ago
Yeah, UpaPandavas would mean grandsons of Pandu, and in that respect, all the Pandava sons - except Babruvahana - would have qualified.

Yeah, I didn't think Vyasa ever used that term 'Upapandavas'
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Posted: 11 years ago
One more thing - watching the Bong version of the serial, yesterday I noticed Arjun tell Indra that he was a devotee of Indra's damaat & his own jiju Skanda.

When did that happen? Arjun was only a devotee of Krishna, and none other
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

One more thing - watching the Bong version of the serial, yesterday I noticed Arjun tell Indra that he was a devotee of Indra's damaat & his own jiju Skanda.

When did that happen? Arjun was only a devotee of Krishna, and none other

When I watched the epi, I was surprised to know that as well - I inferred it as maybe Arjuna was trying to butter up Indra or something!! 😃

Or was Arjuna REALLY the devotee of Kartikeya? Any versions of MB which state this?
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Posted: 11 years ago
Vrishi - how do you like the Bong version? I find the dubbing really weird. ===
They had the bhakt of Kartikeya in Hindi too... I was like say what? 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
i thaught that arjun was shivbhakt, or krishnabhakt too.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Arjun was just Shivbhakt during his tapasya of Shiva, otherwise, it was just Krishna.

Anjana, you follow Bengali? I think the translators have put in the least amount of effort that they could, leaving the bulk of the Hindi words unchanged 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
Vrish - yeah... I watch the bong from time to time... it is rather disconcerting due to the horrid dubbing of some of the characters. They haven't put in any effort at all. They put in no effort to try n match the dubbing voice to the characters and the music they don't even bother.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Was Abhimanyu really 16 years old during the Kurukshetra.. I see this almost everywhere but where does that come from?

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