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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: harshu27

btw thnx real pen for removing d info u did a grt favor on us...๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ


Correction Harshu di, he/she did a favor on himself/herself! Got saved from more bashing...this already meant nothing to us na...๐Ÿ˜†


But good you removed it real pen, nobody is interested in such rumors here. ๐Ÿ˜Š
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: -AkDha.Lover-


Correction Harshu di, he/she did a favor on himself/herself! Got saved from more bashing...this already meant nothing to us na...๐Ÿ˜†


But good you removed it real pen, nobody is interested in such rumors here. ๐Ÿ˜Š

ya sorry shagun it dint clik me as i was partying coz she removed d info...๐Ÿ˜† ya she had to face more bashings as none r interested on her fake info...
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: realpen1542

I wrote this aricle with the good aim that history should not be distorted.The article is written based on historical books of 15 and 16th century.This article is not written to hurt anybody's feeling.But since many of you are getting hurt because of this article,I will remove it.

DEFINETLY I WROTE THIS ARTICLE WITH WHAT I READ IN HISTORICAL BOOKS

GOD IS THERE AND GREAT.




Finally ๐Ÿ˜†
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: ishq4

Abul fzl never mention death of daniyal's mother..he mentioned one of akbar child mother death as i said apart from muz 3 daughter's .he do had two elder daughter born by other begum.so abul fzl mentioned there death..u thought we are fool sitting here & u can twist the facts according to u to prove Ur point & can serve us..recently some days on Instagram one popular page sarcastic_laughter with large followers. do posted taj mahel pic with these quotes:

People know taj mahel as symbol of love but here are few lessor known facts.
1. Mumtaz was shajahan's fourth wife out of 7
2.Shahjahan killed mumtaz's husband to marry her.
3.mumtaz died during her 14th deleivery
4.After her death shahjahan married mumtaz's sister.whom he had an affair when mumtaz was alive
caption was: where the hell is love?taj mahel:symbol of love?
so better real pen u do not teach us cz new generation is smart they beleive what epic love is on the basis of facts..let them decide as they already did
last year i visited sikri & will like to tell u agra is known for FS & TAJ..Fatepur sikri9 is 13 km away from agra its very popular there more then taj cz fatepour sikri is a different city which is located at hills...& fatepur & sikri both are different .fatepur not located under govt it had darga & buland darwaza & sikripeople from far away just visit sikri to see jodhsa/muz palace..its the center of attraction there unlike fatepur which is not clean due to dargah commom agra people keep sitting there.fatepur just had darwaza..from far fatepur sikri gives feel like a canvasโค๏ธwell fatepur sikri is just all about jodha akbar... & joidha was the most talked one there.there are so many love tales about jodha akbar...akbar made balcony on her palace that he can take a glimpse of her when she was sleeping..agra fort also belongs to jodha akbar love tales & jodha/muz palace..
shajahan made taj mahel only just to get famous & that to when mumtaz got died..marne ke baad to kadar pta chaltoi hi h..but true love woh h joh jite ji apna love prove kre..which akbar did hr jghe palace bnwake..& to be frank i dont like taj mahel & so as many people cz it had nothing just a grave...& its so hot there & it had nothing more people get easily bore there..if some one who visted FS & taj mahel will choose sikri only my aunt also liked sikri & so as my brother all get bored when they visited taj mahel i asked my kid bro friends too.do they like taj?they were literally bashing taj mahel ๐Ÿคฃthat pure per jala diye & hein vahan kuch nh๐Ÿ˜†..on twitter also people says that jodhaakbar fatepur sikri outshines shajahan's taj mahel...& there love not only existed on agra on other places too its much more then this .be it allahbaad fort where muz zenana palace is there which akbar made specially for his favorite rajput sultana marium uz zamani.she was kanha bhagt so he made her palace in such a way that she din't had to visit outside to take a bath .yamuna water flows on her palace itself๐Ÿ˜‰& these are not my words..but on allahbat fort chronicles itself.& there so many palaces of muz located every where on lahore & some else where...so please poor u kitni bh theory bna lo history toh u can't change๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†



U cnt do same thing for which u opposed or bashed others for same thing...
We all gv left rite center to tm of this thred just coz she or he trying to proove ja love fake on basis of fack manipulated net blogs n article so hw cn u said SM love is fake just coz fake information spread by some social media post or article n blog...
Plz its my humble request to u n other members just to proove ur points n shw ur love towards real akdha dnt defame other historical facts n figures history is nt abt wht some articles n blog trying to teach peoplen whole india's or whole worlds liking nt decided by Twitter n fb...

P.S. sorry if hurt anyone n plz dnt start bashing me after this...
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Posted: 7 years ago
Article delete kardia.. mene to padha bhi nahi tha abhi๐Ÿ˜•
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Posted: 7 years ago
Very interesting to listen to the foolish talks,a bunch who dont know history at all.First try to talk in English.I dont know hindi
First everybody purchase Akbarnama atleast third volume and read fully.
It is better you read entire Akbarnama,please do it.Again I repeat
 Daniyals mother death is there

Very  suprising how you can be like this in a hidden well.
ATLEAST one of you try to come out of the well
Visit my site whenever possible
again i will give you the extract from Akbarnama about Daniyal's mothers death

PLEASE.PLEASE GO THROUGH AKBARNAMA.

here is the extract,atleast read this if you understand.

I dont have a hindi version.
["On the 15th Q" Nr Ullah was sent to make inquiries into the tenures (sayrghl)* of the province of Agra, and an order was given that new land should be given to the necessitous. On the 26th H.M. mounted on horseback and gathered delight in Bgh Dilwez. He spent the night with pleasure in the Deer-house. At the end of that day the great lady of the family of chastity, the mother of Prince Suln Daniel, died. Next day an old servant of the harem of fortune died. H.M. after making his supplications to God adopted resignation, and begged forgiveness for them. On the 28th he returned to his palace. On this day the wife of the Prince Royal, who was the daughter of the ruler of Khndes, died."

Please read the above lines in black.
Buy from anywhere Akbarnama and read you will see this line
Edited by realpen1542 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: sharmacatty

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="2">Article delete kardia.. mene to padha bhi nahi tha abhi๐Ÿ˜•</font>



Even I want to read the article. Please post it again.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: futus



Even I want to read the article. Please post it again.

nothing interesting priya and payal...d member did post some fake info to prove dat jodha and akbar love story is fake after all bashed her she removed d content but still u can find d info still above she has posted it 
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: harshu27

nothing interesting priya and payal...d member did post some fake info to prove dat jodha and akbar love story is fake after all bashed her she removed d content but still u can find d info still above she has posted it 


oh ohk...
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Posted: 7 years ago
The whole chapter of Akbarnama in which Daniyal's moyher's death was given

In this chapter only Daniyal's mothers death is given

CHAPTER CXXVIII.
LETTER*
OF THE SHAHINSHH TO 'ABDULLAH K. UZBEG THE KING OF TRN.

Boundless thanksgivings are due to the Initiator who, by the marvels of His eternal power, has by so many glorious sciences, that is, the categories of His Wisdom, brought forth the varied universe from the privy-chamber of secrecy to the Court of manifestation, and has subdued, disciplined, and soothed the tribes of mankind and bestowed on them unity* of sentiment; at one time, by spiritual rulers, that is, the holy spirits of prophets and of our great apostles"upon whom be peace"and at another, has by the dread power of temporal monarchs, who are the princely pillars of the courts of His Majesty, given them the adornment of external unity. Therefore, let worlds of blessings be given to the spirits of the caravan-leaders on the highway of purpose who have conveyed spiritual travellers and worldly pilgrims from the desert of misery and the wilderness of contrariety to the metropolis of right direction and friendship, and have then departed to the privy-chamber of eternity. And may universes of sublime aids and celestial succours attend those great men who preserve the present time from the disturbance of strife and the accidents of fortune and expend al?? their lofty genius in keeping the whole of mankind, whether home or foreign, in peace and tranquillity, and in improving this evi?? dwelling-place (the world).

At the time of enjoyment when the season was auspicious and our heart glad and we were in the pleasant country of Kabul we read with delight those choice pages of friendship, which were the masterpiece of the pinacothek of concord, ... (Here follows a string of compliments about 'Abdullah's letter and his expression of amity. They occupy about seven lines.)

705 What you have written with a pen perfumed with brotherhood on the subject of our mutually exerting ourselves to strengthen the foundations of Peace, and to purify the fountains of concord, and of making this Hindu* Koh the boundary between us, has most fully commended itself to us. Clearly, there is no nobler thing in the outward universe and social state than Love and Harmony, for the due ordering of the classes of human beings is linked and bound up therewith. Whenever this idea is manifested in the ranks of sovereigns"who are pillars of the courts of Majesty"it shall assuredly be fruitful of blessings, and procreant of beauties here and hereafter. By it thousands of souls and tribes shall take their rest in the cradles of safety! It*would have been fitting for us to begin the exposition of the ways of peace, and the demonstration of the rights of friendship, seeing that since the commencement of the unfolding of the morning of auspiciousness, the whole of our righteous practice has been"contrary to the ways of most of former rulers "to follow the path of amity and association with the various nations of mankind. As* your Highness has entered upon this subject, it is proper that at this time you should give your attention to instances of such conduct. For example, when at this time the ruler of rn, relying upon former ties, sent Ydgr Suln Shml to us and asked for help, we did not consent. Also, when Shhrukh M. petitioned that he might have a fief in Kbul, or Kashmr, or Sawd, Bajaur and Trh"which are cold* countries"we did not grant his request, having taken into consideration the proximity (of 'Abdullah), but gave him a fief in the province of Mlwa. Also we summoned the Mrzs of Qandahr to court and committed the charge of that country"which belonged from of old to the imperial territories"to old servants of ours, lest the Trn troops should attack that quarter under the idea that it appertained to Persia, and also* that there might be a great commingling of your territories and ours. Also a wicked vagabond raised the head of disturbance in the hill-country of Badakhshn and claimed to be the son of Shhrukh M. and was joined by the landholders there. Though he sent petitions and asked for help, we did not attend to him, and at last he became a vagabond in the desert of ruin.

As the keeping of one's word is indispensable to a great mind, we desired that when proposals of peace had once been made, they should be carried into effect. In fact, if the cordial expressions conveyed by messengers and letters be acted upon, what could be better? Or let a place be fixed and let us there have a feast of concord, and let us there discuss, without the intervention of any go-between, matters of religion and state, and things temporal and spiritual! It has come to our hearing that a number of fly-like creatures have made our being in the Panjb their text and have spoken things contrary to the foundations of friendship. Alas, that things which never entered into our minds, should have been mentioned! or that actions should be contrary to one's avowals! Although the climate and the hunting in this country are agreeable to us, we have determined* to proceed to Agra the capital, in order that the mouths of praters may be closed. What you have written about there being a cloud on your heart with reference to the matter of Shhrukh M. is a thing which gives rise to meditation, for if in the souls of great rulers who are the contemplators of divine lights, and the exponents of the ways of purity, the dust of rivalry settle, what can be the case with other classes of mankind? Especially when the cause of them is his (Shhrukh's) youth and ignorance. Why should these not be obliterated by the waters of pardon? He by his self-will had committed faults against our family, and in retribution therefor became a bewildered one in the desert of exile. When he took refuge with us, and signs of repentance were visible on his forehead we passed over (his offences). As to what you have hinted, seeing that the coming of Shahrukh M. and the sons of Muammad akm to our court are merely instances of our love for the noble family, why should you regard their approach in this light? What, on account of love and friendship, you have detailed about your victories has pleased us for we have considered these successes as the result of your good qualities. As to what you have written in the letter brought by Mauln usain to the effect that your son in consequence of tender years had made improper requests, and about your being vexed at this lest it should cast dust on the skirt of our friendship, and with reference to your lengthy apologising on his account"the courier was drowned on the way before his arrival and so the purport of the letter did not become known. We were sorry for the catastrophe. The ties of ancient relationship and the associations of renewed love are not such that, if it be granted that something should occur, any dust of vexation should settle on the skirt of friendship. Children are sportive with their real fathers, especially with your Majesty; if they behave in the same way to those who stand towards them in a similar relation, what marvel is it? Auspicious children who make the pleasing of their father their object, exert themselves to preserve the relationship. The glorious compacts and agreements"which have been ratified by skilful ambassadors, one after the other, are fixed in our mind. In the code of Islm and the rules of generosity one-hundredth part of them would be sufficient for making permanent the pillars of friendship and concord, and still more in the case of the liberal and the choosers of truth. What you have written about certain expeditions having been postponed till the arrival 707 of Amad 'Al Atlq has been understood. You will have heard of his death which occurred after we had given him leave to return. He was intelligent and active-minded. If he had returned to you, you would have heard from him many secrets of affection. May every desire of your heart be accomplished! Every assistance that is due from friendship shall be shown (by us), so that praiseworthy endeavours may be manifested.

God be praised that from the beginning of our ascending the throne of rule till now, which is the tenth year of the second* cycle, and is the dawning of the morning of fortune, and the opening smile of the spring of dominion and glory, the whole righteous aim of this suppliant at the Divine court has been to disregard his own interests, and to work always for the healing and ordering of mankind. By the blessing of God, the vast territory of Hindustan,* * * * * * * *

When Mauln usain presented himself, an order was given to the officers to allow him to depart quickly. Meanwhile some ill-fated wretches in Kashmr began strife and sedition (fitna u fasd) and contended against God-given dominion. The army 710 of fortune assembled, together with a number of courtiers, under the guise of hunting, when the eyes of instruction of the beholders of the Divine power were opened, and the report of the disturbances was heard. In spite of the violence of the rains, we hastened thither, and before the holy warriors had passed through the defiles, some right-thinking persons who, out of necessity, had become involved in the tempest of indiscretion, obtained their opportunity, and brought the head of their leader. As the army had nearly arrived, we went on to that autumnless garden, and tasted spiritual and temporal abundance in that bounteous rose-garden. The dispatch of the ambassador was delayed, and when the royal army returned, news was received by the way of the catastrophe of Mauln usain, who had passed away owing to a stomach-attack. This was a cause of much sorrow. Accordingly, we sent some loving words by means of that high officer Khwja Ashraf,* who is an old servant of our family, in order that he might show the matter to your Highness, and also confirm the friendly ties which are based on correspondence. We hope that tidings of love and unity may ever refresh the garden of the heart. The end.

On the 30th* the privy chamber of wisdom was illuminated by a ray from the Shhinshh's glory, and some special intimates received joy. Suddenly there arose the noise of a marriage and H.M. ordered that the music should be stopped, as a foreign sound did not suit the banquet of enlightenment. The spectators received collyrium on beholding his mildness, farsight, fewness of words, and acceptance of remark.

At this time the Prince Royal became violently enamoured of the daughter of Zain K. Koka, and meditated marrying* her. H.M. was displeased at the impropriety, but when he saw that his heart was immoderately affected, he, of necessity, gave his consent. There was a great feast, and a new law for joy.

erse.

They set up a spacious tent.
They made the ground a star-spangled heaven.
On all sides they put screens round the courtyard.
They gave to the curtain new moonlight.

On the eve of 8 Tr (18 June, 1596) the nuptials were celebrated in the dwelling of Miriam Makn, and the jewel of chastity was conveyed to the harem.

One of the occurrences was the capture of the fort of Busna. 711 Owing to the neglect of the custodians it had again fallen into the hands of the Afghans, and become a source of increased presumption. Rajah Mn Singh sent a chosen force thither under the charge of Durjan Singh. Sulaimn and Kedar* Rai strengthened the fort and set themselves to fight. The victorious troops invested the fort, and every day there were great combats. On the 10th (Tr) a gun burst inside the fort, and Sulamn and many others were killed. Kedr was wounded, and fell. As he was helpless, he fled and took shelter with 'Is.

On this day Bikramjt the grandson of Rajah Rm Cand was exalted by doing homage. When his father died, wicked men made this youth the instrument of their own ends, and thinking that they would be sheltered at Bndh,* set about evil schemes. When Rai Patr Ds was sent, he by ability and courage took possession of much territory. The garrison craftily asked that one of the great men of the court should take them by the hand and bring them to court. H.M. consented and by his orders Ism'al Qul K. brought them, and they received suitable favours.

One of the occurrences was the victory of the army of the Deccan. When diq K. took up his quarters in Mahkar, and Berr recovered somewhat from its distracted state, Azhdar K., 'An K., abb K. and other Deccans rose up to make a disturbance. A chosen force under the command of M. 'Al Beg Akbarshh went to put matters right. On the 12th he suddenly fell upon 'Ain K.'s camp and inflicted chastisement. He escaped with a few companions in a bewildered state, and much plunder was obtained. Some unquiet spirits came by a secret path upon them, but were defeated after a short struggle. Dancing* and singing women elephants, etc., were obtained. On the 16th Tolak K. died in Bengal. He was an old servant. On the 20th S'ad K. was sent off to Behar after receiving many instructive advices. On the eve of the 22nd there was a feast of reason. Suddenly there were clouds and it came on to rain. H.M. said, "Be gentle, O rain, and do not cause the dispersion of this spiritual banquet. Soon the air became clear, and there was wonderful stillness. Everywhere else it rained heavily, but it kept away from the palace.

At this time H.M. had compassion on the simplicity of M. Moaffar usain Qandahr. He from self-indulgence and carelessness left his work to greedy oppressors. Several times the tenants of his fiefs and some traders came to obtain redress. Advice 712 had no effect on him. He got disgusted with daily administration and begged permission to go to the jz. It was granted, and after some time he repented and sate down in bewilderment. On the 24th H.M. recognised his dignity and recalled him, and granted him new favours. On the 27th M. Kok produced a plank to H.M. and said that at the time of splitting it a green animal came out from the middle of it. Shortly afterwards it died. In order that it might show how it was he had put it back again. H.M. said, when things come to life in an elephant's tusks, and on stones, what is wonderful in their doing so in a plank which is somewhat softer, but men are astonished at nothing except what they seldom see. On the 31st M. Rustum was sent to the northern hills. As Bs and some landholders had wickedly raised the head of disobedience, the Mrz was given Pathn (Pathnkot) and its neighbourhood in fief and sent off there. af K., Hshim Beg and many others went to help him. On the 11th Amardd Rm Cand was sent to Berr. When the misbehaviour of the soldiers of the south was represented to H.M., and it also appeared that Shahbz K. with the Mlwa army had gone off to his fief without the Prince's permission, and that one lakh of muhars which had been sent for the equipment of the army had remained in Gwaliyar on account of the insecurity of the roads, that good servant was sent off in order to convey the treasure under a proper guard, and also to recall the Mlwa troops, and to give them counsels. At this rainy season, high and low were disquieted by the small amount of rain. On the 12th rain fell at the intercession of H.M. and withered hearts were refreshed. On this day Muammad Beg and his son hir Beg arrived from Persia, and had an audience. They claimed to be descended from the poet KhwajaShamsu-d-din Muammad (fi). They also knew something about divination (jafar). H.M. thought of the expedition to the Deccan and asked (them ?) for an augury.

This verse came out.

Verse.

March, march, march away.
March for you'll be victorious.

One* of the occurrences was the mishap of an accident to the holy personality. By the divine protection it ended well. On the night of the 18th (Amardd, 28th July, 1596) H.M. had a deer-fight. Men looked on from a distance.* Suddenly a deer ran and butted him with his horns. That athlete seized the horns, and though he fell, he did not relinquish his hold. One of the testicles was lacerated, and blood flowed. That strong-souled one did not regard it but continued to attend to the work of government. On the 7th day the injury* became serious, and the swelling increased. On account of the diversity of opinion among the physicians, the treatment was not decided upon, and the pain momentarily increased. After much discussion the case was left to akm Mir and akm 'Al. The application of the medicine was left to the writer of the book of fortune.Shaikh Bn1* and Shaikh Hans his son did good service in putting on the plasters and in opening and tying the bandages. Though the illness lasted one month* and twenty-two days, yet there were twenty-nine days which passed with difficulty. Though out of prudence he every day held public audiences, there arose great commotion, and the market of strifemongers and busy bodies became brisk. High and low were in a state of consternation. For seven days he did not go to the privy, and small and great became still more discomposed. On the eleventh day leeches were applied, and there were signs of improvement. On 24thShahryr M. Ysuf K. arrived from Jaunpr, and was exalted by royal favours. On this day Fat Ullah thesharbatdr (butler) was sent to the Deccan, and 500 Aads went with him. On 7th Mihr the holy form bathed, and there was a great festival.

Verse.

There was a feast such as
The young had not beheld in dreams.
'Twas not a feast, but a picture of sky and stars"
An assemblage of the beauties of the seven worlds.

There were various forms of liberality and the world had new joy. Many prisoners were released, and ancient desires were gratified. The attainment of desires increased the thankfulness of every one. Misfortune did not cause him to abandon graciousness, and he civilised the world by justice and liberality, and took into consideration the happiness of every one. Such an inquiry cannot be considered as a retribution, nor as a message of warning, though this may not appear so wonderful to those who believe that after the body has decayed, the soul assumes fresh forms. As the changes in the method of Divine Government are not understood by every farseeing one"what can be the case with the superficial?"the searchings of heart diminished somewhat. Apparently (the cause of the accident) was to increase men's devotion and love. The illness disconcerted small and great, and they wished to give their lives and property in exchange for the world's lord.

On the 15th Q" Nr Ullah was sent to make inquiries into the tenures (sayrghl)* of the province of Agra, and an order was given that new land should be given to the necessitous. On the 26th H.M. mounted on horseback and gathered delight in Bgh Dilwez. He spent the night with pleasure in the Deer-house. At the end of that day the great lady of the family of chastity, the mother of Prince Suln Daniel, died. Next day an old servant of the harem of fortune died. H.M. after making his supplications to God adopted resignation, and begged forgiveness for them. On the 28th he returned to his palace. On this day the wife of the Prince Royal, who was the daughter of the ruler of Khndes, died.

One of the occurrences was the failure of 'sk. When Rajah 714 Mn Singh took up his quarters in Ghorght after the commencement of the rains he fell very ill, and experienced physicians began to despair of his life. 's and M'm K. Kbul and other scoundrels came out to fight. They had come to within twelve kos, and the imperialists were prepared to give battle. By the wondrous working of fortune there was little rain and the river fell. With a great deal of difficulty they got away, and had much trouble in moving their boats. When the Rajah got well, he sent a choice army under Himmat Singh to punish them. The scoundrels got away from the interior of the country and came to Kinr Sindur, and there rested. When the victorious troops approached, some in their confusion lost their lives, and much plunder was taken.

In this year* kitchens were established in every city. There was a deficiency of rain this year, and high prices threw a world into distress. In the beginning of the year a comet (ba) appeared, and astrologers predicted that there would be dryness and scarcity. The gracious sovereign appointed able men to every place to give food duly to the necessitous. Petitioners constantly came before H.M., and had their desires gratified. Similarly numbers of beggars were made over to rich people (khwstadrn.)(?)

On 2 bn the solar weighment took place and H.M. was weighed against twelve articles. Numbers of men had their desires gratified. On the 10th, which was a feast day, a Turn farsh (carpet-sweeper, etc.) lifted up (barkashd) two camels with their loads, and astonished the spectators. On this day Shham came from his fief and was exalted by royal favours.

The idea was that Rustum M. should be sent to guard Gujarat, and that Shham should accompany him as guardian (atlq) so that Prince Murd might gather enjoyment by the royal favour, and the near neighbourhood of his son (Rustum). But the idea was not carried out. At this time saffron flowered in Begrm.* H.M. recognized that that country was suitable for this crop, and sent seeds to Takhta Beg. On the 11th he learnt that they had sprouted and bloomed. On this day M. Ysuf obtained leave to go to Gujarat. He obtained a fief in that quarter and was sent there in order that he might assist the army of the Deccan.