Is Krishna an avatar of lord vishnu or vishnu is an avatar of krishna? - Page 3

Originally posted by: mnx12

@Thewatcher,

It's mentioned in Devi Bhagavat, about Krishna always living in Goloka with Radha.

Vishnuji lives in Vaikuntha with Lakshmiji. So at times their followers may believe differently then Krishna being an Avatar of Vishnuji. But that's their belief & sentiment. We should not get involved in that. Because ultimately realising the Supreme Consciousness is the ultimate aim of a soul. WhateverDeity one may choose but the final goal remains the same.

Originally posted by: mnx12

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Amongthe Human avataras of Vishunuji, Ram & Krishna are more popular.

Ram avatar had 12 Kalas, was Maryada Purushottam. His Krishna avatar had 16 Kalas, that's why he is called Purna Purushottam. He could perform many tasks a normal Human can not because of these 16 Kalas.

from:http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual-blogs/seekers/faith-and-rituals/16-KALAS-OF-SHRI-KRISHNA

THE SIXTEEN KALAS

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<font size="2" face="ms sans serif">Five Kalas like 1) Anna Maya (with cereals), 2) Pranamaya (with breath), 3) Mano Maya (with mind), 4) Vigyanamaya (with knowledge) and 5) Anandamaya (with joy) are present in every human being. With little effort, humans can perfect in three more kalas - 6) Atishayini, (With Peace) 7) Viparinabhimi (With Love) and 8) Sankramini. (With Creator) The other remaining eight Kalas are 9) Prabhvi. 10) Kunthini, 11) Vikasini, 12) Maryadini, 16) Sanhaladini, 14) Ahladini,1 5) Paripurna and 16) Swarupavasthit :

Anybody who has the ninth Kala besides the first five natural Kalas and next three perfected Kalas, becomes the god. As per scriptures, the ninth kalas Prabhvi means : KARTUM AKARTUM, that is able to do seemingly impossible tasks. Lord Narasinh is an example of this ninth Kala. Lord Narasinh has an altogether different appearance. He had a body of human and head of a lion. He appeared from a stone pillar that demon Hiranyakashipu had broken with a blow of his mace. It is not possible for an ordinary human being, only a God, having the ninth Kala Prabhvi, can do this. Among all these incarnations, only Lord Krishna is full of all the sixteen Kalas.</font></p>
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In this scriptural appearance Lord Krishna holds nothing but only a seemingly ordinary flute. Now it is up to the devotees to interpret the meaning of flute with their own view. Even the flute of Lord Krishna is full of all the Kalas and is a symbol of love. In his entire life. Lord Krishna only once raised a weapon, that to in the form of wheel during the battle of Mahabharata, to protect the vow of Pitamaha Bheeshma. Otherwise, only the flute was everything for him. Like a magic stick the flute accompanied Lord Krishna all through his life. With the enchanting tone of the flute, Lord Krishna hypnotized the world.
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Originally posted by: rakshaanra

Final goal is same hmmm

So if I want to fly to India, I can close me eyes and any flight will take me there? 😳

Kundalini

The Kundalini awakening is an important step in Yoga. It is the energy lying dormant at the root chakra, when awakened,  uncoils and begin to rise upwards like a fiery serpent, breaking upon each chakra as she ascends, until the Shakti merges with Shiv in Sahastrara chakra.

As kundalini reaches each chakra, that lotus opens and lift its flower; and as soon as she leaves for a higher chakra, the lotus closes its petals and hangs down, symbolizing the activation of the energies of the chakra and their assimilation to kundalini. When it reaches the Agya chakra, 3^rd eye is developed, one can see the past, present & future events. Then it reaches the Brhmarandhra where Kundalini unites with the Shiv resulting in their Union which opens up the Sahastrar chakra the region of divine. 

The Chakras are energy centres of the human body, considered flower like, which opens & closes as well as spins like wheels. They are the receiver of the spiritual Universal energy & the centres through which human body deciphers energy. There are seven major chakras ,located along the central line of the body or the spinal chord, the lowest at the root of the tailbone. The Universal energy enters the body through these chakras & flows upwords from the lower to the higher chakras. The higher chakras are more spiritually functioning, related to experiencing  the union of the individual with the whole creation. Each chakra vibrates with different frequencies & have their individual characteristics.

                                 

1.       Muladhara Chakra or the root chakra, located at the base of the spine, develoes physical activities, is Red in colour, is a 4 petal Lotus.

2.       Swadhisthan Chakra is located at the navel region, is related to creativity, fertility, intimacy, reproductive ability & emotional balance is Orange in colour is a 6 petal Lotus.

3.       Manipura Chakra is located in bteween navel & heart is associated with self esteem, confidence & personality development is Yellow in colour

4.       Anahata chakra is located at the centre of the heart is connected to the feeling of love, joy, happiness, respect, compassion, generocity etc. is Green or Pink in colour.

5.       Vishuddha Chakra is located in the throat is related to speech ability & truthfulness, is light blue in colour.

6.       Agya Chakra is situated in the position of the 3^rd eye, developes intuition & sense of vision is centre of wisdom is Indigo in colour.

7.       Sahastrara chakra is located at the top of the head, is associated with connecting to the Universal energy is a thousand petal Lotus. 

 Sahasrara: Crown Chakra (Top of the head )
Traditionally one's connection to the divine (Atmic level of divinity), contains programs to be used by 8th chakra including the release of basic psychic skills - Telepathy, seeing Aura, Lucid Dreaming, Out of Body Travel, Healing

8 to 12 are the Spritual chakras, gets developed as the jeeva developes more spiritually.

 

Chakra 8: Energy center of divine love, of spiritual compassion and spiritual selflessness, one's karmic residue, activates spiritual skills contained in the seventh chakra.

Chakra 9: Soul blueprint - The individual's total skills and abilities, learned in all the life times

Chakra 10: Divine creativity, synchronicity of life; the merging of the masculine and feminine within, unlocking of skills contained in the ninth chakra.

Chakra 11: Pathwork to the Soul, the individual's ability to acquire advanced spiritual skills. Travel beyond the limits of Time and Space, Teleportation, Bi-location, Instantaneous precipitation of thoughts, Telekinesis in some cases

Chakra 12: Connection to the Monadic level of divinity, advanced spiritual skills, ascension, connection to the cosmos and beyond.

Originally posted by: mnx12

Teleportaion, yes, provided you are a developed soul up to this level.😆

This part explains more about how it is possible. 

Kundalini

The Kundalini awakening is an important step in Yoga. It is the energy lying dormant at the root chakra, when awakened,  uncoils and begin to rise upwards like a fiery serpent, breaking upon each chakra as she ascends, until the Shakti merges with Shiv in Sahastrara chakra.

As kundalini reaches each chakra, that lotus opens and lift its flower; and as soon as she leaves for a higher chakra, the lotus closes its petals and hangs down, symbolizing the activation of the energies of the chakra and their assimilation to kundalini. When it reaches the Agya chakra, 3^rd eye is developed, one can see the past, present & future events. Then it reaches the Brhmarandhra where Kundalini unites with the Shiv resulting in their Union which opens up the Sahastrar chakra the region of divine. 

The Chakras are energy centres of the human body, considered flower like, which opens & closes as well as spins like wheels. They are the receiver of the spiritual Universal energy & the centres through which human body deciphers energy. There are seven major chakras ,located along the central line of the body or the spinal chord, the lowest at the root of the tailbone. The Universal energy enters the body through these chakras & flows upwords from the lower to the higher chakras. The higher chakras are more spiritually functioning, related to experiencing  the union of the individual with the whole creation. Each chakra vibrates with different frequencies & have their individual characteristics.

                                 

1.       Muladhara Chakra or the root chakra, located at the base of the spine, develoes physical activities, is Red in colour, is a 4 petal Lotus.

2.       Swadhisthan Chakra is located at the navel region, is related to creativity, fertility, intimacy, reproductive ability & emotional balance is Orange in colour is a 6 petal Lotus.

3.       Manipura Chakra is located in bteween navel & heart is associated with self esteem, confidence & personality development is Yellow in colour

4.       Anahata chakra is located at the centre of the heart is connected to the feeling of love, joy, happiness, respect, compassion, generocity etc. is Green or Pink in colour.

5.       Vishuddha Chakra is located in the throat is related to speech ability & truthfulness, is light blue in colour.

6.       Agya Chakra is situated in the position of the 3^rd eye, developes intuition & sense of vision is centre of wisdom is Indigo in colour.

7.       Sahastrara chakra is located at the top of the head, is associated with connecting to the Universal energy is a thousand petal Lotus. 

 Sahasrara: Crown Chakra (Top of the head )
Traditionally one's connection to the divine (Atmic level of divinity), contains programs to be used by 8th chakra including the release of basic psychic skills - Telepathy, seeing Aura, Lucid Dreaming, Out of Body Travel, Healing

8 to 12 are the Spritual chakras, gets developed as the jeeva developes more spiritually.

 

Chakra 8: Energy center of divine love, of spiritual compassion and spiritual selflessness, one's karmic residue, activates spiritual skills contained in the seventh chakra.

Chakra 9: Soul blueprint - The individual's total skills and abilities, learned in all the life times

Chakra 10: Divine creativity, synchronicity of life; the merging of the masculine and feminine within, unlocking of skills contained in the ninth chakra.

Chakra 11: Pathwork to the Soul, the individual's ability to acquire advanced spiritual skills. Travel beyond the limits of Time and Space, Teleportation, Bi-location, Instantaneous precipitation of thoughts, Telekinesis in some cases

Chakra 12: Connection to the Monadic level of divinity, advanced spiritual skills, ascension, connection to the cosmos and beyond.

Originally posted by: mnx12

^^

8-12  are Spiritual chakras. They get activated after Sahastara chakra.

Once Kundalini reaches Sahastrara chakra, in the Brhmarandhra, union of Shiv-Shakti & the soul, who joins Kundalini from Agya chakra, is achieved, Kundalini does come back to Muladhar chakra. The yogi can repeate this through practice & reach a state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

He can then reach an advance stage where just by mere thought, without putting much effort he can be in Samadhi. This is a state of a Sidhha.

Originally posted by: mnx12

@rasyafan,

Those sidhhis are different. They allow a person to perform certain tasks which others can not do so easily. But a sadhak can get stick at this stage & his progress may stop. That's why it is recommended for a true sadhak, not to get caught in the state of achieving some sidhhis.

A true Sishha is one who is at a very high state.

It is very much advisable to go in this path under a true Guru. Because he who has realised can only guide you.

It is very mush possible for  person whose Kundalini is activated, has reached a higher state & may be living among us like a normal Human. He may not advertise his achievement.

Originally posted by: rasyafan

Today black magic is really fooling people and they are being cheated, their own mistakes. What a pity these tantriks are bringing bad name to our hinsuism and sanatan dharm. Though this happens in every religion but television shows only hindu bad babas 🤢🤢🤢🤢