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Posted: 10 years ago
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Lord Krishna & Arjuna were the most ideal Guru-Sishya pair as well as being the most ideal friends.
Lord Krishna always guided Arjuna on the right path, and in return Arjuna trusted him as he trusted no one else. Lord Krishna was not a blind friend like some others in the Mahabharat. When Arjuna did something wrong or foolish, Krishna guided him on the right path and even criticized him. There are two accounts of Krishna breaking Arjuna's pride, with Arjuna submitting to Krishna like a true devotee and friend.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: varaali


My music guru's name is also Krishna. ðŸ˜†


Ohh okay, that's a nice coincidence. ðŸ˜†
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Originally posted by: varaali

There's a reason why I feel the Krishna-Arjuna Guru-Shishya relationship was the most ideal one.

To begin with, it was an impromptu one, created on the spur of the moment. 

Krishna was not an established or a famous guru. To Arjuna, Krishna had always been an equal. Arjuna had called him by name- Hey Krishna, Hey Sakha-and sometimes even derogatorily - Hey Yadava. 

The friendship of
Krishna and Arjuna had been on equal terms.

But as Arjuna realized, the present situation ( his sudden unwillingness to fight) was not one where he could treat Krishna as a sakha. If he truly wanted to be pulled out of the well he had fallen into he would have seek Krishna's help in a different manner.

As a shishya. 

Fully surrendered. 

And Arjuna does.

Arjuna does not let his ego come in the way of his upliftment. All along, Arjuna must have realized that Krishna was way superior to him in both skill and knowledge, yet Krishna had always treated him as a comrade. 

But when the moment of reckoning comes, Arjuna does not hesitate to fall on his knees and beseech Krishna to acccept him as his shishya adding that he, Arjuna had surrrendered completlely to Krishna


I had to quote this from Ved Vyas's Mahabharata (http://sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06035.htm). When Arjuna asks Krishna to show his Vishwarupa, he suddenly realizes that the one he considered his friend, having called him Krishna, Yadava etc was not who he thought to be!

Arjuna looking at Lord Vishnu's Vishwarupa:


I behold all the gods, O God, as also all the varied hosts of creatures, (and) Brahman seated on (his) lotus seat, and all the Rishis and the celestial snakes. I behold Thee with innumerable arms, stomachs, mouths, (and) eyes, on every side, O thou of infinite forms.

Neither end nor middle, nor also beginning of thine do I behold, O Lord of the universe, O thou of universal form. Bearing (thy) diadem, mace, and discus, a mass of energy, glowing on all sides, do I behold thee that art hard to look at, endued on all sides with the effulgence of the blazing fire or the Sun, (and) immeasurable. 

Thou art indestructible, (and) the Supreme object of this universe. Thou art without decay, the guardian of eternal virtue. 

I regard thee to be the Eternal Being. I behold thee to be without beginning, mean, end, to be of infinite prowess, of innumerable arms, having the Sun and the Moon for thy eyes, the blazing fire for thy mouth, and heating this universe with energy of thy own.

For the space betwixt heaven and earth is pervaded by Thee alone, as also all the points of the horizon. At sight of this marvellous and fierce form of thine, O Supreme Soul, the triple world trembleth.

For these hosts of gods are entering thee. Some, afraid, are praying with joined hands. Saying Hail to Thee--the hosts of great Rishis and Siddhas praise Thee with copious hymns of praise. 

The Rudras, the Adityas, the Vasus, they that (called) the Siddhas, the Viswas, the Aswins, the Maruts, also the Ushmapas, the Gandharvas, the Yakshas, the Asuras, the hosts of Siddhyas, behold Thee and are all amazed. 

Beholding Thy mighty form with many mouths and eyes, O mighty-armed one, with innumerable arms, thighs and feet, many stomachs, (and) terrible in consequence of many tusks, all creatures are frightened and I also. 

Indeed, touching the very skies, of blazing radiance, many-hued, mouth wide-open, with eyes that are blazing and large, beholding thee, O Vishnu, with (my) inner soul trembling (in fright), I can no longer command courage and peace of mind. 

Beholding thy mouths that are terrible in consequence of (their) tusks, and that are fierce (as the all-destroying fire at the end of the Yuga), I cannot recognise the points of the horizon nor can I command peace of mind. 

Be gracious, O God of gods, O thou that art the refuge of the Universe. And all these sons of Dhritarashtra, together with the hosts of kings, and Bhishma, and Drona, and also this Suta's son (Karna), accompanied by even the principal warriors of our side, are quickly entering thy terrible mouths rendered fierce by thy tusks. Some, with their heads crushed, are seen striking at the interstices of (thy) teeth. As many currents of water flowing through different channels roll rapidly towards the ocean, so these heroes of the world of men enter thy mouths that flame all around. As moths with increasing speed rush for (their own) destruction to the blazing fire, so also do (these) people, with unceasing speed, enter thy mouths for (their) destruction. Swallowing all these men from every side, thou lickest them with thy flaming mouths.

Filling the whole universe with (thy) energy, thy fierce splendours, O Vishnu, are heating (everything). Tell me who thou art of (such) fierce form. I bow to thee, O Chief of the Gods, be gracious to me. I desire to know thee that art the Primeval One, I do not understand thy action.'


Lord Vishnu says:


I am Death, the destroyer of the worlds, fully developed. I am now engaged in slaying the race of men. Without thee all these warriors standing in the different divisions shall cease to be. Wherefore, arise, gain glory, (and) vanquishing the foe, enjoy (this) swelling kingdom. By me have all these been already slain. Be only (my) instrument. O thou that can'st draw the bow with (even) the left hand. Drona and Bhishma, and Jayadratha, and Karna, and also other heroic warriors, (already) slain by me, do thou slay. Be not dismayed, fight; thou shalt conquer in battle (thy) foes.


Arujna says:


It is meet, Hrishikesa, that the universe is delighted and charmed in uttering thy praise, and the Rakshasas flee in fear in all directions, and the hosts of the Siddhas bow down (to thee). And why should they not bow down to thee, O Supreme Soul, that are greater than even Brahman (himself), and the primal cause?

O thou that art Infinite. O God of the gods, O thou that art the refuge of the universe, thou art indestructible, thou art that which is, and that which is not and that which is beyond (both). Thou art the First God, the ancient (male) Being, thou art the Supreme refuge of this universe. Thou art the Knower, thou art the Object to be known, thou art the highest abode. By thee is pervaded this universe, O thou of infinite form.

Thou art Vayu, Yama, Agni, Varuna, Moon, Prajapati, and Grandsire. Obeisance be to thee a thousand times, and again and yet again obeisance to thee. Obeisance to thee in front, and also from behind. Let obeisance be to thee from every side, O thou that art all. Thou art all, of energy that is infinite, and prowess that is immeasurable. Thou embracest the All. 

Regarding (thee) a friend whatever hath been said by me carelessly, such as--O Krishna, O Yadava, O friend,--not knowing this thy greatness from want of judgement or from love either, whatever disrespect hath been shown thee for purpose of mirth, on occasions of play, lying, sitting, (or) at meals, while alone or in the presence of others, O undeteriorating one, I beg thy pardon for it, that art immeasurable. Thou art the father of this universe of mobiles and immobiles. Thou art the great master deserving of worship.

There is none equal to thee, how can there be one greater? O thou whose power is unparalleled in even three worlds? 

Therefore bowing (to thee) prostrating (my) body, I ask thy grace, O Lord, O adorable one. It behoveth thee. O God, to bear (my faults) as a father (his) son's, a friend (his) friend's, a lover (his) loved one's. Beholding (thy) form (unseen) before, I have been joyful, (yet) my mind hath been troubled, with fear. Show me that (other ordinary) form, O God. Be gracious, O Lord of the gods, O thou that art the refuge of the universe. (Decked) in diadem, and (armed) with mace, discus in hand, as before, I desire to behold thee. Be of that same four-armed form, O thou of a thousand arms, thou of universal form.



Edited by shripadk - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Amazing post for sure. And Arjuna - Krishna would be the ideal Guru-Shishya reelationship in the modern world context also. Krishna was the perfect friend, philospher guide in Arjuna's life.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Wonderful post dear ðŸ˜Š
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Originally posted by: GOLD.A

Dear u r wrong Eklavya  reated Drona as his guru n he approached him for education being a son of bheel he refused to teach him so he practice himself n also saw drona teaching to kuru rajkumars this was enough for a sharp learner. Drons in guru dakshina asked his right thumb beacuse he felt cheated as he has not taught him any thing n he just observed which was unethical n according to him he has no right on such education so he asked this guru dakshina from eklavya ðŸ˜Š


May be you are right but I have read that Drona promised Arjun to make the best and Eklavya was better than Arjun to fulfil his promised Drona asked for Eklavya's right thumb somewhere