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1Bigg Boss 19: Daily Discussion Thread - 15th Oct '25
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Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai October 16, 2025 EDT
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ArshiHamesha's Post
Arnav's sorry to Khushi [PART 2]Delivering Sorry [dil se]
Khushi is ready to go to her Arnavji to ease his pain as he is in the tribulation state of learning how to apologize. As "jo mein mehsoos karta hoon woh tum mehsoos karti ho"[You feel what I feel] His excitement in the wrapper of affliction and astonishment is so plausible on Khushi's arrival"Khushi aye hai kya"[Is Khushi Here?].Hats off to Barun and his mind blowing expressions with voice modulation.
His confoundment mixed with worrisome feelings for Khushi being in La's party is magnificent.His possessiveness and protectiveness towards Khushi is reaching its heights today.He comes down and stands at the sight of stunning and simple innocent beauty wrapping in pink from head to toe as he is baffled about her acceptance over going with La to the party .
Pause here:He is going to be stunned at pink beauty at Dilli maan Bali day too when Khushi will be wearing AR designer's clothes.I always felt he designed it for her and today is the confirmation just like red saree this pink dress never goes out of his head.[my POV]
Symbolism and connection: Pink color represents innocence, sexuality and purity.Do I have to connect it with Khushi. Samjhe ya samjhaon
He is in green and she is in pink.Join it now------renewal of pure and innocent sensual relationship
Raba Ve moment.They both share pain but he turns his face as Its hard for him to see right in her eyes because of "Nadamat" he is ashamed of what he did from the bottom of his heart.Today her gazes at him are stronger as she wants to make sure he is fine regardless he dug the daggers of his pain into her chest.He gathers his strength and as he walks towards her slowly but her breathing becomes faster by fear of his anger and being near to him as "aap jab bhi humare paas aate hain tou '."[When ever you come close '] His eyes are saying sorry and she is receiving it.This silent sorry is broken by La' entry.Love this as he is pleading her"mut jao"[Don't go] and yes she wants to stay.Hats off to Barun and Sanaya here.Magnificent.
While leaving they both turn to see each other but their timings are odd but he watches her going out and his heart is not his today and has compulsion to stop her.
Pause here: He will plead her with love "mut jao"[don't go] and she will be staying with him after bringing Anjali from the hospital [after miscarriage]
Khushi finds out after reaching to the party where she is.So typical of her but still love her so much.She is talking to herself about her LG as his painful words are reverberating in her brain not only because he wounded her with these but also he is in grief and that "chot" wound is bugging her up .She wants to be there to console him just like he is in distress because of her.Khushi,"hum bhi kitne ajeeb hain..."[I am so strange] all the time thinking about LG...
"Dil ko dil se rah hoti hai" as she is thinking of her ajeeb and he is here because he is her PROTECTOR .He knows she has no clue of this party and unintentionally he is here to save her.Wow what a change is this the same guy who left her in the middle of the road alone in the middle of night.
He is so vulnerable today as his words are not believing him either.Khushi turns to go away after her astonishment finding him there .He calls her so sweetly [muahhhaa]not once twice.[# 2 is for sensuality and love and all like two mangoes the other day]Khushi by ignoring her fast heart beat for his sensual voice of calling her softly turns and says rudely, "La is inside and don't call me like this in front of everyone like that" Arnav's rage surfaces up ignoring his mistakes with her ,"How dare you?" Khushi ,"why can't I dare , you have name on it or you have bought daring..." She was not making any sense in her anger with him .It seems to me she was trying to say how dare you hurting me like that despite the fact you know the real meaning of this pain as being an orphan.
Arnav,"Tumhain kya lagta hai mein tum se yahan baat karne keh liye ayeah hoon...[What do you think I came here to talk to you]No Akhroo you are here to play ping pong game..Seriously...
Again he shows her her place and turns his face as usually .Whenever he can't face the reality and makes up story to keep up with his ego he turns his face always.
He hurts her again and gets the same in return and this time he can't bear it as he closes his eyes . He says twice"Sorry bolna hai Arnav, Sorry bolna hain"[you have to say sorry.He turns to say sorry but she is not there.
He searches her and finds her outside crying by herself.He proceeds up to her.Without looking she senses him and turns to leave when Arnav says Khushi I need to talk to you.She ignores him again.[2nd time as # 2 represents sexual tension]
His animosity has no limit with her ignorance .He grabs her tightly and turns her towards him as sensual tension is at the peak the same way when she was calling him low character on the other day but this time his grip is tighter than before but she does not force to release herself either .hmmm
"Kitni bar kaha hain jab mein baat kar raha hoon muun mut moda karo kitni bar...itni si baat samajh nahin aati.."[I told you so many times don't turn your face when I am talking to you]
Arnav,"you are making me crazy since morning"
Khushi furiously, "put pressure on your brain..I have not met you since morning ...say what you have to say"...say it
Arnav in acerbity, "If I knew about your parents ..I would never say those things to you...Samjhi Tum[understand]
Pause here:Arnav's one eye is hiding behind Khushi ,he is her protector .
Khushi looks at her arm in pain and he realizes the intensity of his grip and then release her by leaving his mark on her .
Pause here: It reminds the way she was in pain in guest house and looks at her arm and he releases her by giving his mark on her
Khushi with bafflement and convulsion looks at him closely before stepping back,"Oh so all this ...you were trying to say sorry...but it will be way too difficult for you.
"Kahan aap Arnav Singh Raizada aur Kahan hum Khushi Kumari Gupta...[While you are ASR and me just KKG] How can you say sorry to me and as you did not know anything about me...doesn't matter...I tell you When I was eight my parents left me in a car accident and at that age I did not know the meaning of death.I was thinking for days they went some where they will be back.
He looks at her stunningly while she was sharing her pain as he feels ,there is some TRUST behind her hate and thinking of him low.Amazingly she did not stop there either and shares the most secretive parts of her life with him.
Khushi," you definitely don't know this, I still believe even today that my parents are stars that's why I hang em at the top of my bed...I am afraid of fast car, from darkness, from sleeping alone...Its been so many years but still feels like a nightmare and I think when one day I will wake up , they will be back.
Now you know everything so say sorry...
Arnav with her pain in his heart can't bring words on the surface on his lips but his eyes screaming SORRY loud and clear.He gulps down the pain as " rundhi hui awaz keh saath alfaz saath nahin de rahe"
Khushi wants him to say sorry, "I know I don't have that status so you can say sorry..." He can't take that blame...because it's not true.
She turns and tries to leave when Arnav calls her name again and this time she does not ignore him[she knows he does not like it] and stops and turns,Both shares their painful gazes as he always turns but this time he turns his face side ways and gathers his strength "SORRY"...Raba Ve mingles in to intensify it...He turns his face towards her and says again SORRY and then third time "I'm really really sorry"....[#3 means victory] She looks at him stunningly but the way they both cry for each other during those moments by gulping down the immense pain and the moment they both ready to give in each others arms she turns her face because of vulnerability and runs away leaving him behind with pain and peace at the same time.Peace as she shared the most precious and treasured and painful moments of her life with him as she does have some importance of him in her heart.
PONDERING POINT:During all this he has a satisfaction along with Khushi's pain as her pain becomes daggers for him and vice versa. He knows from the bottom of his heart she does not hate him.Period.As he poured his heart on her yesterday ,she did the same today.The beginning of their journey of COMPLETE TRUST on each other starts here...Look at these pics a slight satisfaction with small smile but a lot of Khushi's pain in his eyes
Pause here:Only Khushi knows how to tame this wild horse known as ASR but pyar se, kabi ghuse se.One thing is clear even he says sorry she feels more sad as she never wants her Arnavji to do that but just like a stubborn child some one has to teach him some lessons.
Love this parallel scene.Two sisters concerned about their siblings.Payal knows she has cried again today.Khushi tells her about LG's gold medal of SORRY over a cup of tea.Love her when she says so lovingly by pouting ,"LG said sorry in such a way that I cried and told him everything"...Awww Love you Temptalicious!!!She is sad because he is sad...
Breathtaking Pondering point:She is telling all of this to Payal under the stars ,with her parents' permission. She was pouring all of her sadness to Arnav under the stars.Arnav said sorry to her under the stars.Just Amazing!!!Their Parents STARS are with them.Period!.
Other side, Anjali knows he has cried today as his eyes never lies.She says sorry three times to Chote for bugging him up. It irritates him and he sits down. He gives a passive and annoying look to his Di and Di says Sorry twice this time which makes him stupefied and he says "Di you said Sorry 5 times in one minute.Love his monologue "mere liye itna mushkil kyuon hai"[Why is this so hard for me?]😊
Di asks him "are you ok?"Arnav, yes Di and then gets up in vexation and says,No Di it seems to me I will lose my brain " She again starts sympathy with him which makes him angry and then She says sorry again.[She says sorry 6 times as # 6 represents motherhood and giving nature which Anjali is for Chote ]She leaves him with Khushi's pain and agony .
Arnav's sorry to Khushi [PART 2]Delivering Sorry [dil se]
Khushi is ready to go to her Arnavji to ease his pain as he is in the tribulation state of learning how to apologize. As "jo mein mehsoos karta hoon woh tum mehsoos karti ho"[You feel what I feel] His excitement in the wrapper of affliction and astonishment is so plausible on Khushi's arrival"Khushi aye hai kya"[Is Khushi Here?].Hats off to Barun and his mind blowing expressions with voice modulation.
His confoundment mixed with worrisome feelings for Khushi being in La's party is magnificent.His possessiveness and protectiveness towards Khushi is reaching its heights today.He comes down and stands at the sight of stunning and simple innocent beauty wrapping in pink from head to toe as he is baffled about her acceptance over going with La to the party .
Pause here:He is going to be stunned at pink beauty at Dilli maan Bali day too when Khushi will be wearing AR designer's clothes.I always felt he designed it for her and today is the confirmation just like red saree this pink dress never goes out of his head.[my POV]
Symbolism and connection: Pink color represents innocence, sexuality and purity.Do I have to connect it with Khushi. Samjhe ya samjhaon
He is in green and she is in pink.Join it now------renewal of pure and innocent sensual relationship
Raba Ve moment.They both share pain but he turns his face as Its hard for him to see right in her eyes because of "Nadamat" he is ashamed of what he did from the bottom of his heart.Today her gazes at him are stronger as she wants to make sure he is fine regardless he dug the daggers of his pain into her chest.He gathers his strength and as he walks towards her slowly but her breathing becomes faster by fear of his anger and being near to him as "aap jab bhi humare paas aate hain tou '."[When ever you come close '] His eyes are saying sorry and she is receiving it.This silent sorry is broken by La' entry.Love this as he is pleading her"mut jao"[Don't go] and yes she wants to stay.Hats off to Barun and Sanaya here.Magnificent.
While leaving they both turn to see each other but their timings are odd but he watches her going out and his heart is not his today and has compulsion to stop her.
Pause here: He will plead her with love "mut jao"[don't go] and she will be staying with him after bringing Anjali from the hospital [after miscarriage]
Khushi finds out after reaching to the party where she is.So typical of her but still love her so much.She is talking to herself about her LG as his painful words are reverberating in her brain not only because he wounded her with these but also he is in grief and that "chot" wound is bugging her up .She wants to be there to console him just like he is in distress because of her.Khushi,"hum bhi kitne ajeeb hain..."[I am so strange] all the time thinking about LG...
"Dil ko dil se rah hoti hai" as she is thinking of her ajeeb and he is here because he is her PROTECTOR .He knows she has no clue of this party and unintentionally he is here to save her.Wow what a change is this the same guy who left her in the middle of the road alone in the middle of night.
He is so vulnerable today as his words are not believing him either.Khushi turns to go away after her astonishment finding him there .He calls her so sweetly [muahhhaa]not once twice.[# 2 is for sensuality and love and all like two mangoes the other day]Khushi by ignoring her fast heart beat for his sensual voice of calling her softly turns and says rudely, "La is inside and don't call me like this in front of everyone like that" Arnav's rage surfaces up ignoring his mistakes with her ,"How dare you?" Khushi ,"why can't I dare , you have name on it or you have bought daring..." She was not making any sense in her anger with him .It seems to me she was trying to say how dare you hurting me like that despite the fact you know the real meaning of this pain as being an orphan.
Arnav,"Tumhain kya lagta hai mein tum se yahan baat karne keh liye ayeah hoon...[What do you think I came here to talk to you]No Akhroo you are here to play ping pong game..Seriously...
Again he shows her her place and turns his face as usually .Whenever he can't face the reality and makes up story to keep up with his ego he turns his face always.
He hurts her again and gets the same in return and this time he can't bear it as he closes his eyes . He says twice"Sorry bolna hai Arnav, Sorry bolna hain"[you have to say sorry.He turns to say sorry but she is not there.
He searches her and finds her outside crying by herself.He proceeds up to her.Without looking she senses him and turns to leave when Arnav says Khushi I need to talk to you.She ignores him again.[2nd time as # 2 represents sexual tension]
His animosity has no limit with her ignorance .He grabs her tightly and turns her towards him as sensual tension is at the peak the same way when she was calling him low character on the other day but this time his grip is tighter than before but she does not force to release herself either .hmmm
"Kitni bar kaha hain jab mein baat kar raha hoon muun mut moda karo kitni bar...itni si baat samajh nahin aati.."[I told you so many times don't turn your face when I am talking to you]
Arnav,"you are making me crazy since morning"
Khushi furiously, "put pressure on your brain..I have not met you since morning ...say what you have to say"...say it
Arnav in acerbity, "If I knew about your parents ..I would never say those things to you...Samjhi Tum[understand]
Pause here:Arnav's one eye is hiding behind Khushi ,he is her protector .
Khushi looks at her arm in pain and he realizes the intensity of his grip and then release her by leaving his mark on her .
Pause here: It reminds the way she was in pain in guest house and looks at her arm and he releases her by giving his mark on her
Khushi with bafflement and convulsion looks at him closely before stepping back,"Oh so all this ...you were trying to say sorry...but it will be way too difficult for you.
"Kahan aap Arnav Singh Raizada aur Kahan hum Khushi Kumari Gupta...[While you are ASR and me just KKG] How can you say sorry to me and as you did not know anything about me...doesn't matter...I tell you When I was eight my parents left me in a car accident and at that age I did not know the meaning of death.I was thinking for days they went some where they will be back.
He looks at her stunningly while she was sharing her pain as he feels ,there is some TRUST behind her hate and thinking of him low.Amazingly she did not stop there either and shares the most secretive parts of her life with him.
Khushi," you definitely don't know this, I still believe even today that my parents are stars that's why I hang em at the top of my bed...I am afraid of fast car, from darkness, from sleeping alone...Its been so many years but still feels like a nightmare and I think when one day I will wake up , they will be back.
Now you know everything so say sorry...
Arnav with her pain in his heart can't bring words on the surface on his lips but his eyes screaming SORRY loud and clear.He gulps down the pain as " rundhi hui awaz keh saath alfaz saath nahin de rahe"
Khushi wants him to say sorry, "I know I don't have that status so you can say sorry..." He can't take that blame...because it's not true.
She turns and tries to leave when Arnav calls her name again and this time she does not ignore him[she knows he does not like it] and stops and turns,Both shares their painful gazes as he always turns but this time he turns his face side ways and gathers his strength "SORRY"...Raba Ve mingles in to intensify it...He turns his face towards her and says again SORRY and then third time "I'm really really sorry"....[#3 means victory] She looks at him stunningly but the way they both cry for each other during those moments by gulping down the immense pain and the moment they both ready to give in each others arms she turns her face because of vulnerability and runs away leaving him behind with pain and peace at the same time.Peace as she shared the most precious and treasured and painful moments of her life with him as she does have some importance of him in her heart.
PONDERING POINT:During all this he has a satisfaction along with Khushi's pain as her pain becomes daggers for him and vice versa. He knows from the bottom of his heart she does not hate him.Period.As he poured his heart on her yesterday ,she did the same today.The beginning of their journey of COMPLETE TRUST on each other starts here...Look at these pics a slight satisfaction with small smile but a lot of Khushi's pain in his eyes
Pause here:Only Khushi knows how to tame this wild horse known as ASR but pyar se, kabi ghuse se.One thing is clear even he says sorry she feels more sad as she never wants her Arnavji to do that but just like a stubborn child some one has to teach him some lessons.
Love this parallel scene.Two sisters concerned about their siblings.Payal knows she has cried again today.Khushi tells her about LG's gold medal of SORRY over a cup of tea.Love her when she says so lovingly by pouting ,"LG said sorry in such a way that I cried and told him everything"...Awww Love you Temptalicious!!!She is sad because he is sad...
Breathtaking Pondering point:She is telling all of this to Payal under the stars ,with her parents' permission. She was pouring all of her sadness to Arnav under the stars.Arnav said sorry to her under the stars.Just Amazing!!!Their Parents STARS are with them.Period!.
Other side, Anjali knows he has cried today as his eyes never lies.She says sorry three times to Chote for bugging him up. It irritates him and he sits down. He gives a passive and annoying look to his Di and Di says Sorry twice this time which makes him stupefied and he says "Di you said Sorry 5 times in one minute.Love his monologue "mere liye itna mushkil kyuon hai"[Why is this so hard for me?]😊
Di asks him "are you ok?"Arnav, yes Di and then gets up in vexation and says,No Di it seems to me I will lose my brain " She again starts sympathy with him which makes him angry and then She says sorry again.[She says sorry 6 times as # 6 represents motherhood and giving nature which Anjali is for Chote ]She leaves him with Khushi's pain and agony .
Welcome back Shikha ...
Welcome to yet another edition of Reflections, nope not my day today .. here to peep in & raise some storms ... Todays the day for Q & A ... the Q's have been posted ... posting the A's ...
Shikha ... u have a very keen sense of catching nuances ...ur ques rake in so many aspects of IPk that it brings to life the most deepest part of IPK ... .. love u babe ... am so glad u caught on to that one line in my post ... I seriously wrote that so someone wud pick on it & spark a discussion .. so thank u ... also dunno how many people actually caught on the background score during the cons scene ... as I remember the battle was DID THE CON HAPPEN or NOT ... but what most people in that battle missed out was the BG score ... yes the SAD BG score ... & that to a sad BG FEMALE VERSION denoting sadness of the HEROINE ... brilliant Shikha ..
Shikha's Queries ... DCR 83
My answer to ur queries ...
The CONSUMMATION which rocked the VIEWERS ...
I still remember that time last year .. when the only ques on the lips of any IPK viewer was ... OMG DID THE CON HAPPEN ??? the first ques in my mind was ... whoa ... it was so badly shot that people had to ask ... well u c I was not watching the episodes those days as I was on holiday ... I remember DC being split up ... Bidzy I think was one person who felt the CON happened ...
Anyway we can go on the CON scene discussion the mistakes in direction .. the reason for the scene & all this in probably another discussion ...
Lets look at both the Rabba Ve's ... the first Rabba Ve .. happens when Arnav opens HIS HEART for HURT ... he tells her he knows about her AFFAIR with Shyam .. something he did not open up to her during the time of their marriage either ... coz the idea that he would be able to read the LOVE IN HER EYES for another ... was not something he could LIVE WITH ... remember he had had his "Saansein ruk jaayengi" moment with her ... Already living without her was not something he could fathom ...
But after the stunt she pulled ... trying to commit suicide ... his woes come tumbling out ... now note when does he speak about his HURT ... its only after he has a confirmation of her feelings ... when she says .. U LOVE LA .. LA loves u ... & I love ...
But nevertheless ... that's the first Kyun Dard that plays out .. & that's the male verison ... its Arnav's time for hurt ... But what really happens ... HE GETS THE BIGGEST HAPPINESS OF HIS LIFE ... he gets the truth .. he is vindicated on her innocence ... he can finally be with his love ... that's what the turn in the airport was all about ...
So yes while there was HURT galore in the path to love .. but when he reached there ... there was Happiness galore ...
Now lets look at the female version of Rabba Ve .. that launched on the day .. Anji tries to do self abortion .. & Arnav lashes out to Khushi in his anger ... her heart BROKE that day ... he BLAMED her ... but what's more he was SADDENED BY THEIR LOVE ... a love which shud have given him Strength & brought him happiness ... actually brought him PAIN ...
but what followed that hurt was amazing happiness ... The man .. her knight ... her Rajkumar .. launched an out & out campaign to MAKE HER HIS ... & he left NO STONE UNTURNED TO ACHIEVE that goal ...
So both the RV's ... were a herald to happier times .. in the first one since its Arnav's hurt .. u c Khushi go all out to convince him of her LOVE ... & in the second instance ... since its KHUSHI's hurt we see Arnav go all out to convince her of his LOVE ...
So while Kyun Dard hai itna .. tere ishq mein ... may seem like a sad song ... it was actually the HERALDING OF THE BEST TIMES ... IN THE LIFE OF ARNAV & KHUSHI ... It was like the KHUSHI ki ghanti ... a bell ringing that happier times are just round the corner ...
Now look at what happens post the CON scene ... u have the huge blow up .. where the PAST is PAST no more .. it's the PRESENT ... & it is striking the present with all might ... but the PAST is also put to rest .. & finally LOVE TRIUMPHS ...
The Rabba Ve ... did herald the sad confrontation to happen after this MOMENT ... but it also heralded with bells ringing of the HAPPINESS THAT WAS TO FOLLOW
Disclaimer: now this explanation is based on what we all saw in the show (the marriage that happens finally is in love & happiness).. the real reason for the sad rabba ve is very different ... but its not relevant to what was ultimately shown to us viewers ... so lets not bother about that 😉
THE FIRST TUMULTOUS MARRIAGE ...
I am so glad u asked this ques .. the lines I wrote was in connection to the post where I wrote that Arnav deep down believed in Khushi's innocence ... & there was no better way to prove that than your ques ... isn't it odd ... u believe the woman is promiscuous & adulterous ... & u still bring her in close proximity to the one person she is committing adultery with ... U threaten the MAN who is committing adultery ... & tell him to STAY AWAY from UR WIFE ... but u never THREATEN the WIFE on the same ... if Arnav believed KHUSHI capable of Adultery ... or promiscuity why did he not threaten her to dire results .. all he told her was STAY MARRIED TO ME FOR 6 MONTHS ... or Ur sisters marriage is in trouble
Now look at the post Heer Ranjha scene ... he lashes out to her in ANGER ... cause of the HURT she caused him .. in jealousy .. but he never not for a moment makes any attempt to DISTANCE or THREATEN the supposed LOVERS ... immediately after Anji tells him that she sent to them to buy meds ... Arnav goes to apologise to Khushi .. he believes in her innocence .. even though he caught them in a clinch alone .. & note the dialog after Khushi rebuffs him .. he says .. so what if Di asked to go .. she could've refused to go with Shyam ... he believed in her innocence deep down .. the jealousy that ate at him made him do what he did ..
In the first episode of IPK .. u are shown a Man .. who waits for 14 years to TAKE REVENGE on a RELATIVE ... who had WRONGED him ... IF Arnav believed KHUSHI was the adulterer ... DOING wrong to HIS MOST BELOVED SISTER ... WHERE WAS THE REVENGE ... & as a viewer I refuse to believe that making her sleep outside near the pool side on a makeshift bed .. was the SUM TOTAL OF HIS REVENGE ...
Deep down he believed in her innocence ... it was his insecurity caused by the DEEP LOvE he felt for her .. which acted as a blinker in his eyes .. which makes him marry her in ANGER ... & as Arshihamesha rightly put it ... his anger .. THAT SHE DID NOT OPEN UP & SPEAK THE TRUTH to him about her PROBLEMS ... cause he saw himself in the role of KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOR ...
DISCLAIMER: (the explanation above is based on what was shown to us in the show ... if the original script was to take place then the question of innocence could be raised ... but in this watered down version of the story .. the belief in Khushi's innocence is very much alive)
Ur third question is not at all STUPID ... but it actually answers a lot of questions put forth in the beginning of reflections ... specially about Anjali
Anjali .. loved KHUSHI .. her behavior towards Khushi is so negative during the first Shyam exposure only cause she feels totally devastated by the fact that she was SO WRONG about KHUSHi ... do u remember the scene after Khushi's engagement to Shyam .. how Anji is the only person who picks up on Khushi's distress ... she is only one who actually comes forth with an offer of solace ... she was also the one who ... Stood tall in between all Arnav & Khushi skirmishes ...even when she is angry with Khushi .. she makes sure the family accepts her .. she always takes her side .. pre holi .. she also mentions it to Shyam .. that she always wanted Khushi as Arnav's wife .. & is happy for them ..
The rakhi offer is on the backs of some incredibly rude insults that Arnav hurls at Khushi ... when he chucks her out of the house ... it was apparent in that time ... that both Arnav & khushi did not want to be in each others vicinity ... Khushi had put that NO SEEING ARNAV clause during her employment & Arnav had just insulted her ... these 2 were so NOT READY FOR ANY RELATION ... that's the GENTLE ... UNDERSTANDING ANJI ... who was offering solace to a girl ... that was the gentle mother .. who was patching a wound in Khushi's heart ... Arnav called in question her aukaat ... & what did Anji do .. she tried to EVEN the FIELD .. she was trying to take away the question of aukaat forever ... by making KHUSHI her husband's sister ... everyone knows u gotta respect .. JIJAJI's family right ... 😃 😉
Now for the other reason ... Arnav ... this is the man who refuses to call his mother in law ... Amma ... as he does not want to give the same position or pedestal to another woman .. that's how sacred his love is ... Anjali knows this ... the pedestal where he places his sister was just as SACRED ... & if anyone would try to share the same .. it would so not be acceptable to him ...
Hope this helps in answering ur queries ...
BIDZY .. this ones for u ... ur query on DC 82 ...
Bidzy'z questions ..
Ruby,
remember the "star gazing" scene. No, not the consummation, but the one where Anjali and Arnav talk about their mom where anjali shows the letter from their mom to her would be daughter-in-law. After the bro-sis scene. he comes out moist eyed, and khushi comes in right then. They were not talking to each other then. He looks at her broken, and then later seeks her comfort when she comes to the pool area. "kya woh sach me taare ban jaate hai" dialogues follow.
Here he was hurting, but he didn't lash out at her like he did at the shradh. In fact, here he was a lost child seeking comfort from the only woman who could give him comfort. So it was not always if I am hurt, I hurt you. would like to hear your thoughts on this scene, especially in context of what you said to me in your previous post.
Bidzy darling ...
There is a wealth of difference between HURT & HURTING ...
Let me see if I can explain it to u by showing u the difference in the scenes
Lets look at the "star gazing" scene ...
Here he is sitting with his sister .. swapping memories .. happy ones about his mother ... A mother he is bitterly missing at that point ...
The next moment when he is with Khushi .. it's a bittersweet moment ... but whatever be the case ... he looks to her for comfort .. once again he did not need it from his sister ..but accepted it from khushi .. infact actively sought it from Khushi ... he wanted his mother at that point .. he wanted a physical manifestation of a mother .. he wanted a reassurance that she had not abandoned him ... & hence he sought the answer ... KYA WHO SACH MEIN tAAREN BAN JAATE HAI" ... If u go & watch the scene .. it's a landmark one for the actor Barun Sobti .. cause just by inflection of voice he portrayed a 14 year old boy .. missing his mom ...
So the difference here is he is HURTING ... like a young kid wanting his mother to soothe the pain ... focus on the dialog ... He is asking proof whether his mother is around ... & then asks the one person who he has most hurt ... Whether she his mother will be happy seeing him ... an incredibly deep scene ... & the makers brilliance is that its shot in the exact same spot where the almost kiss ... & arnav forced Khushi to marry him ... I will write in detail about this scene when it airs .. its one of my fav ones
Now if u read my longish post on the shraad scene ... there he is HURT .. I have explained in detail the confusion which is churning in his head & heart .. here there's a girl someone who he can see as his wife .. who is preparing someone else as his wife ... she is wheeling her way into his heart .. but is planning to give the right to the same space to LA ... that's the confusion of the day for Arnav ... add to that moment is Shraad ... a day when he RELIVES ALL THE BAD IN HIS LIFE ... the day he lost his innocence ... the memories of that day are SAD & BAD ... so not only is he hurt & hurting ... his anger at his impotence of not being able to do anything on that fated day is killing him .. & in steps in Khushi .. the woman who personifies innocence & purity ... hence the dialog is so very specific ... " on this day seeing ur face is completely not acceptable to me
The difference in the 2 scenes is both the times he is reliving his past ... but during shraad its him reliving a sordid past ... & during star gazing he is reliving a bittersweet memory of his mother ...
Now having said this ... between the 2 episodes ..there is a ocean of relation these 2 had traversed ... they had a hospital hug .. he had put his hand on her head ... he had fought with goons for her ... he had had his Diwali almost kiss with her ... he had by then understood that when they are close their heartbeats merge & become one .. but during the shraad scene ... he is still struggling with the tumult of emotions she is churning in him ... she is someone who matters he knows this ... but how much he is yet to discover ...
Hope I am lucid ... 😛
ENJOY READING ...
CU AT THE IPKS ...
Originally posted by: redwine1
Welcome back Shikha ...
Welcome to yet another edition of Reflections, nope not my day today .. here to peep in & raise some storms ... Todays the day for Q & A ... the Q's have been posted ... posting the A's ...Shikha ... u have a very keen sense of catching nuances ...ur ques rake in so many aspects of IPk that it brings to life the most deepest part of IPK ... .. love u babe ... am so glad u caught on to that one line in my post ... I seriously wrote that so someone wud pick on it & spark a discussion .. so thank u ... also dunno how many people actually caught on the background score during the cons scene ... as I remember the battle was DID THE CON HAPPEN or NOT ... but what most people in that battle missed out was the BG score ... yes the SAD BG score ... & that to a sad BG FEMALE VERSION denoting sadness of the HEROINE ... brilliant Shikha ..
Shikha's Queries ... DCR 83
Ruby - I have a question - why while the consum... scene the sad female version of kyun dard hai Itna ...was being played . Oh God this made me feel as if something bad is going to happen to them .Another question - I was also wondering as you mentioned in one of the DCR that when Arnav sees Khushi and Shyam together and marries her which brings Khushi closer to Shyam in same house hence chances of them meeting alone and getting closer was more . Why did Arnav take a chance and it wasnt that he was keeping eye on Khushi . He just did not bother.One more -Anjali on Rakhi day tells Khushi that she will organize brother for her meaning Shyam why did she not say to tie Rakhi to Arnav who was present there and his GF La was also there so no romatic angle could be there between Arnav and Khushi at that time . I always wondered what if that day Anjali had asked Khushi to tie Rakhi to ASR that day how would have Arnav reacted as he was he was already in love with her and aware of her (I know it is stupid question but wherever I see this episode ( I lost count) I always have this question in my mind .My answer to ur queries ...
The CONSUMMATION which rocked the VIEWERS ...
I still remember that time last year .. when the only ques on the lips of any IPK viewer was ... OMG DID THE CON HAPPEN ??? the first ques in my mind was ... whoa ... it was so badly shot that people had to ask ... well u c I was not watching the episodes those days as I was on holiday ... I remember DC being split up ... Bidzy I think was one person who felt the CON happened ...
Anyway we can go on the CON scene discussion the mistakes in direction .. the reason for the scene & all this in probably another discussion ...
Lets look at both the Rabba Ve's ... the first Rabba Ve .. happens when Arnav opens HIS HEART for HURT ... he tells her he knows about her AFFAIR with Shyam .. something he did not open up to her during the time of their marriage either ... coz the idea that he would be able to read the LOVE IN HER EYES for another ... was not something he could LIVE WITH ... remember he had had his "Saansein ruk jaayengi" moment with her ... Already living without her was not something he could fathom ...
But after the stunt she pulled ... trying to commit suicide ... his woes come tumbling out ... now note when does he speak about his HURT ... its only after he has a confirmation of her feelings ... when she says .. U LOVE LA .. LA loves u ... & I love ...
But nevertheless ... that's the first Kyun Dard that plays out .. & that's the male verison ... its Arnav's time for hurt ... But what really happens ... HE GETS THE BIGGEST HAPPINESS OF HIS LIFE ... he gets the truth .. he is vindicated on her innocence ... he can finally be with his love ... that's what the turn in the airport was all about ...
So yes while there was HURT galore in the path to love .. but when he reached there ... there was Happiness galore ...
Now lets look at the female version of Rabba Ve .. that launched on the day .. Anji tries to do self abortion .. & Arnav lashes out to Khushi in his anger ... her heart BROKE that day ... he BLAMED her ... but what's more he was SADDENED BY THEIR LOVE ... a love which shud have given him Strength & brought him happiness ... actually brought him PAIN ...
but what followed that hurt was amazing happiness ... The man .. her knight ... her Rajkumar .. launched an out & out campaign to MAKE HER HIS ... & he left NO STONE UNTURNED TO ACHIEVE that goal ...
So both the RV's ... were a herald to happier times .. in the first one since its Arnav's hurt .. u c Khushi go all out to convince him of her LOVE ... & in the second instance ... since its KHUSHI's hurt we see Arnav go all out to convince her of his LOVE ...
So while Kyun Dard hai itna .. tere ishq mein ... may seem like a sad song ... it was actually the HERALDING OF THE BEST TIMES ... IN THE LIFE OF ARNAV & KHUSHI ... It was like the KHUSHI ki ghanti ... a bell ringing that happier times are just round the corner ...
Now look at what happens post the CON scene ... u have the huge blow up .. where the PAST is PAST no more .. it's the PRESENT ... & it is striking the present with all might ... but the PAST is also put to rest .. & finally LOVE TRIUMPHS ...
The Rabba Ve ... did herald the sad confrontation to happen after this MOMENT ... but it also heralded with bells ringing of the HAPPINESS THAT WAS TO FOLLOW
Disclaimer: now this explanation is based on what we all saw in the show (the marriage that happens finally is in love & happiness).. the real reason for the sad rabba ve is very different ... but its not relevant to what was ultimately shown to us viewers ... so lets not bother about that 😉
*** First of all Thanks a lot Ruby
You have explained beautifully - the deeper meaning of the sad Kyun dard... it always troubled me when ever i watched Con episode.No one would ever understand it so well till you explained deeper meaning of sad version male and female and why they were played.Really Ruby you are extremely talented and gifted as usual no words for you .Yes after this CON episode all post and IF was on fire with whether they did or not . I was sure they did it other wise why would he open dori for simple kiss but most of them felt it was Khushi's dream . Some even said after seeing precap that ASR did not turn up for marriage and khushi has lost it .Finally on Monday Arnav confd asking Khushi if she was ok ...😉THE FIRST TUMULTOUS MARRIAGE ...I am so glad u asked this ques .. the lines I wrote was in connection to the post where I wrote that Arnav deep down believed in Khushi's innocence ... & there was no better way to prove that than your ques ... isn't it odd ... u believe the woman is promiscuous & adulterous ... & u still bring her in close proximity to the one person she is committing adultery with ... U threaten the MAN who is committing adultery ... & tell him to STAY AWAY from UR WIFE ... but u never THREATEN the WIFE on the same ... if Arnav believed KHUSHI capable of Adultery ... or promiscuity why did he not threaten her to dire results .. all he told her was STAY MARRIED TO ME FOR 6 MONTHS ... or Ur sisters marriage is in trouble
Now look at the post Heer Ranjha scene ... he lashes out to her in ANGER ... cause of the HURT she caused him .. in jealousy .. but he never not for a moment makes any attempt to DISTANCE or THREATEN the supposed LOVERS ... immediately after Anji tells him that she sent to them to buy meds ... Arnav goes to apologise to Khushi .. he believes in her innocence .. even though he caught them in a clinch alone .. & note the dialog after Khushi rebuffs him .. he says .. so what if Di asked to go .. she could've refused to go with Shyam ... he believed in her innocence deep down .. the jealousy that ate at him made him do what he did ..
In the first episode of IPK .. u are shown a Man .. who waits for 14 years to TAKE REVENGE on a RELATIVE ... who had WRONGED him ... IF Arnav believed KHUSHI was the adulterer ... DOING wrong to HIS MOST BELOVED SISTER ... WHERE WAS THE REVENGE ... & as a viewer I refuse to believe that making her sleep outside near the pool side on a makeshift bed .. was the SUM TOTAL OF HIS REVENGE ...
Deep down he believed in her innocence ... it was his insecurity caused by the DEEP LOvE he felt for her .. which acted as a blinker in his eyes .. which makes him marry her in ANGER ... & as Arshihamesha rightly put it ... his anger .. THAT SHE DID NOT OPEN UP & SPEAK THE TRUTH to him about her PROBLEMS ... cause he saw himself in the role of KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOR ...
DISCLAIMER: (the explanation above is based on what was shown to us in the show ... if the original script was to take place then the question of innocence could be raised ... but in this watered down version of the story .. the belief in Khushi's innocence is very much alive)
**** Thank you once again Ruby.Very well explained .I have to ask this most silly question why did Arnav not fix allowance to Khushi since she was his wife ( well in name sake only ) for her tit bit expenditure since he was such a rich man .It could have been small allowance .It did not strike his mind even afer Khushi borrowed 300Inr from Arnav and Khsuhi had work to repay his 300 inr .Ur third question is not at all STUPID ... but it actually answers a lot of questions put forth in the beginning of reflections ... specially about AnjaliAnjali .. loved KHUSHI .. her behavior towards Khushi is so negative during the first Shyam exposure only cause she feels totally devastated by the fact that she was SO WRONG about KHUSHi ... do u remember the scene after Khushi's engagement to Shyam .. how Anji is the only person who picks up on Khushi's distress ... she is only one who actually comes forth with an offer of solace ... she was also the one who ... Stood tall in between all Arnav & Khushi skirmishes ...even when she is angry with Khushi .. she makes sure the family accepts her .. she always takes her side .. pre holi .. she also mentions it to Shyam .. that she always wanted Khushi as Arnav's wife .. & is happy for them ..
The rakhi offer is on the backs of some incredibly rude insults that Arnav hurls at Khushi ... when he chucks her out of the house ... it was apparent in that time ... that both Arnav & khushi did not want to be in each others vicinity ... Khushi had put that NO SEEING ARNAV clause during her employment & Arnav had just insulted her ... these 2 were so NOT READY FOR ANY RELATION ... that's the GENTLE ... UNDERSTANDING ANJI ... who was offering solace to a girl ... that was the gentle mother .. who was patching a wound in Khushi's heart ... Arnav called in question her aukaat ... & what did Anji do .. she tried to EVEN the FIELD .. she was trying to take away the question of aukaat forever ... by making KHUSHI her husband's sister ... everyone knows u gotta respect .. JIJAJI's family right ... 😃 😉
Now for the other reason ... Arnav ... this is the man who refuses to call his mother in law ... Amma ... as he does not want to give the same position or pedestal to another woman .. that's how sacred his love is ... Anjali knows this ... the pedestal where he places his sister was just as SACRED ... & if anyone would try to share the same .. it would so not be acceptable to him ...
Hope this helps in answering ur queries ...
*** Wow ruby Perfect !
It is very clear and so well explained .One would never understand deeper meaning these actions.You are right Arnav would never place another person on same pedestel as Anjali .You are genius Ruby .I have another question - during KC song which was played why it had sad tune and words like...when I close my eyes I see you and i can call you mine only in my dreams...see the link attachedIt made me feel that either Khushi will die or something will happen to Arnav though this episode and song was extarordinaly beautiful with so many romantic moments but it did have a sad underplay . I dismissed later thinking that may be makers wanted to have sad twist since Barun was leaving IPK .Do you think it was that reason( Barun leaving) or did it have deeper meaning .Would love to hear your take .One more question -After Farak Padta Track leading to Arnav breaking his engagement with La since he was sure that he loved Khushi and he was keen to have Khushi in life why did he let NK flirt with Khushi and let Khushi and NK be together at every occasion .It was only after Teri meri and Sannsae ruk jaegi moment that made Arnav open up to Khushi and go for herWhat is your POV on this ?Thx love ShikhaIIIjaBIDZY .. this ones for u ... ur query on DC 82 ...
Bidzy'z questions ..
Ruby,
remember the "star gazing" scene. No, not the consummation, but the one where Anjali and Arnav talk about their mom where anjali shows the letter from their mom to her would be daughter-in-law. After the bro-sis scene. he comes out moist eyed, and khushi comes in right then. They were not talking to each other then. He looks at her broken, and then later seeks her comfort when she comes to the pool area. "kya woh sach me taare ban jaate hai" dialogues follow.
Here he was hurting, but he didn't lash out at her like he did at the shradh. In fact, here he was a lost child seeking comfort from the only woman who could give him comfort. So it was not always if I am hurt, I hurt you. would like to hear your thoughts on this scene, especially in context of what you said to me in your previous post.
My reply ...
Bidzy darling ...
There is a wealth of difference between HURT & HURTING ...
Let me see if I can explain it to u by showing u the difference in the scenes
Lets look at the "star gazing" scene ...
Here he is sitting with his sister .. swapping memories .. happy ones about his mother ... A mother he is bitterly missing at that point ...
The next moment when he is with Khushi .. it's a bittersweet moment ... but whatever be the case ... he looks to her for comfort .. once again he did not need it from his sister ..but accepted it from khushi .. infact actively sought it from Khushi ... he wanted his mother at that point .. he wanted a physical manifestation of a mother .. he wanted a reassurance that she had not abandoned him ... & hence he sought the answer ... KYA WHO SACH MEIN tAAREN BAN JAATE HAI" ... If u go & watch the scene .. it's a landmark one for the actor Barun Sobti .. cause just by inflection of voice he portrayed a 14 year old boy .. missing his mom ...
So the difference here is he is HURTING ... like a young kid wanting his mother to soothe the pain ... focus on the dialog ... He is asking proof whether his mother is around ... & then asks the one person who he has most hurt ... Whether she his mother will be happy seeing him ... an incredibly deep scene ... & the makers brilliance is that its shot in the exact same spot where the almost kiss ... & arnav forced Khushi to marry him ... I will write in detail about this scene when it airs .. its one of my fav ones
Now if u read my longish post on the shraad scene ... there he is HURT .. I have explained in detail the confusion which is churning in his head & heart .. here there's a girl someone who he can see as his wife .. who is preparing someone else as his wife ... she is wheeling her way into his heart .. but is planning to give the right to the same space to LA ... that's the confusion of the day for Arnav ... add to that moment is Shraad ... a day when he RELIVES ALL THE BAD IN HIS LIFE ... the day he lost his innocence ... the memories of that day are SAD & BAD ... so not only is he hurt & hurting ... his anger at his impotence of not being able to do anything on that fated day is killing him .. & in steps in Khushi .. the woman who personifies innocence & purity ... hence the dialog is so very specific ... " on this day seeing ur face is completely not acceptable to me
The difference in the 2 scenes is both the times he is reliving his past ... but during shraad its him reliving a sordid past ... & during star gazing he is reliving a bittersweet memory of his mother ...
Now having said this ... between the 2 episodes ..there is a ocean of relation these 2 had traversed ... they had a hospital hug .. he had put his hand on her head ... he had fought with goons for her ... he had had his Diwali almost kiss with her ... he had by then understood that when they are close their heartbeats merge & become one .. but during the shraad scene ... he is still struggling with the tumult of emotions she is churning in him ... she is someone who matters he knows this ... but how much he is yet to discover ...
Hope I am lucid ... 😛
ENJOY READING ...
CU AT THE IPKS ...
chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa | english translation hide my love in your heart |
ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke | like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple |
chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa | hide my love in your heart |
ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke | like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple |
tum apane charanon mein rakh lo muz ko | keep me at your feet |
tumhaare charanon kaa ful hoo mai | i am the flower at your feet |
mai sar zukaye khade hoo praetam | i am standing with my head bowed, beloved |
mai sar zukaye khade hoo praetam | i am standing with my head bowed, beloved |
ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke | like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple |
chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa | hide my love in your heart |
ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke | like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple |
ye sach hain jenaa thaa paap tum ben | this was true that living without you was a sin |
ye paap maine kiyaa hain ab tak | i have sinned so far |
magar the man mein chabe tumhaare | but there was an image of you in my mind |
magar the man mein chabe tumhaare | but there was an image of you in my mind |
ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke | like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple |
chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa | hide my love in your heart |
ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke | like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple |
fir aag birahaa ke mat lagaanaa | then don't spark the fire of seperation |
ke jal ke main raakh ho chuke hoon | that i have burned to ashes from |
ye raakh maathe par maine rakh le | i have placed these ashes on my forehead |
ye raakh maathe par maine rakh le | i have placed these ashes on my forehead |
ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke | like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple |
chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa | hide my love in your heart |
ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke | like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple |
The last scene of 84 the so intense episode where ASR says sorry to khushi both cry at each others hurt and tragedy when they were young relive the moments and come back home very emotional and upset . Asr feels deeply for his Khushi hurting with sadness pain for her experience as a 8 year old but still fresh and he being the one to bring it up and Khushi who never shares that experience with any one shares it with him tearfully.IS THIS NOT THE HIDDEN LOVE WHICH THEY HAVE FOR EACH OTHER
chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraaenglish translation
hide my love in your heartke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa hide my love in your heart ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple tum apane charanon mein rakh lo muz ko keep me at your feet tumhaare charanon kaa ful hoo mai i am the flower at your feet mai sar zukaye khade hoo praetam i am standing with my head bowed, beloved mai sar zukaye khade hoo praetam i am standing with my head bowed, beloved ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa hide my love in your heart ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple ye sach hain jenaa thaa paap tum ben this was true that living without you was a sin ye paap maine kiyaa hain ab tak i have sinned so far magar the man mein chabe tumhaare but there was an image of you in my mind magar the man mein chabe tumhaare but there was an image of you in my mind ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa hide my love in your heart ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple fir aag birahaa ke mat lagaanaa then don't spark the fire of seperation ke jal ke main raakh ho chuke hoon that i have burned to ashes from ye raakh maathe par maine rakh le i have placed these ashes on my forehead ye raakh maathe par maine rakh le i have placed these ashes on my forehead ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple chhupaa lo yoo dil mein pyaar meraa hide my love in your heart ke jaise mandir mein lau diye ke like a candle flame of the lamp in the temple
__________________THEY DONT WANT TO SHARE THOSE FEELING NOT WITH DI OR JIJI