Jodha Akbar 79: The turning of the tide

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sashashyam

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Of course, Leelaa, anything you like!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: leelaa9
Fabulous analysis.👏
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sashashyam

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Thank you, my dear Simi, and the next time you like one of my posts, would you also tell me what you liked there and perhaps even comment on it a bit ? I would like that very much.

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Wow! I just love your post. Very well written. Thank you.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 11 years ago

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My dear Navi and Alakh,

I am now convinced that it is not just the terminal folly in JA that is catching, but nuttiness in the IF as well!😉

What about that Minister with the chubby cheeks who wanted to accompany our Odd Couple on the shikar? He must be nearby with the khemas and a lot of soldiers, so Jodha can look after her patidev in peace (for whom?) without having to pre-empt Jhansi ki Rani 3 centuries too soon!

Is Mohan not dead after all?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: swtngl
I am sure Riyya will look after him, after all she did book the bed for him at the hospital. 😊
Jodha not only will nurse him, but she might even fight to save his life when Adham Khan's goons show up to kill them. The goons don't know that she can fight.😆

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

IF gave these names.. Jodha will nurse Jalal.. Riyya has booked a bed for Mohan at the hospital😭

Poor Mohan.. who will look after him😭

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sashashyam

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Thank you, Tripti, and I must tell you (and Lashy and Alakh), that I watched the whole episode again in a very clear recording on the HD of my DVD recorder, not online in poor resolution, and he clearly says usse. And no, he does not mumble this time.

Usse! Usse! Usse! So there!!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais
For the post above- I LOVE you, Shyama Aunty!!!' 😳😃

Rajat is a BORN STAR and I cannot see him in television for long either!!! He is MADE for the silver screen & far bigger things!! ⭐️
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sonia_1

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Brilliant analysis of the episode 👏⭐️

Its a pleasure to read your post Shyamala. You write beautifully. ⭐️

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Moontide

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Dear Vanilla-e-mint,

The problem is, I can hardly think up suitable lines to start.

Because I keep drowning back in the romance of the imagery. I have this passionate love affair with the ocean and your painting of truant tides exposing the raw depths, the treasures within and then at days end ridding back to claim their shores..mane aflutter...and may be a few phosphorescence gleaming like diamente... fire-flies in the dark?

You have weaved a poem with your words 😊

At the same time, a tiny fear nudges its way in. For my life's lesson is, when the sea recedes exposing its depths, it comes back with a Tsunami vengeance. I just hope some such deluge do not await us here. For if it turns into either a saccharine coated love track or a new revolution of the old cycle...I will get hit really hard.

You say the tide is gently turning with promise, prospect, brightness and beauty.

Let me say Amen to that.

For I really want this tale to gain some wit, if possible. And when I say wit, I don't just mean the mirth provoking kind. I want this love story to tickle my brain and not just aim for the endochrine system.

What I believe is, the Ekta camp had recently sat down and done some self assessment. They must have realised what they were putting in our plates as hors d'oeuvres, have been discovered for what they exactly were, a lot of garnish to cover up the same old burnt meal. hence the en mass exit of creativity and new thinking caps being put on. Or conversely, a return of the old team that though highly inspired from the 70 mm version, successfully came up with sceneces like the sword fight. I say this for another reason, coming to that in a bit. Fridays episode looked, sounded and appealed to be very different from what we had got used to watching the last few weeks.

Jalal's dialogues in the last episode looked like the end product of some intelligent thinking compared to his Nafrat rants. There is a lot of discussion in the forum about his tete-a-tete with the snake. To me another set stood out at the end...when he says...of the musket ...and tellingly looks at Jodha...

'Jisne bhi isse banaya hai, Kamaal banaya hai.

Aag ugalti hai aur saamne wale ki andar ki aag ko thanda karti hai'. ...double edged?

And then pulls the trigger awaiting her reaction, pleased as punch when getting exactly what he anticipated.

Also there was a lot of mischief at play when penning down ...toh aapne shuru se hi Ruqaiya begum ko maat dene ki thaan rakhkhi thi... done with the explicit intention of baiting the audience 😊

I also loved the narnaal and diljoi bits... manna for the ears forced to ghrin and bear 😳

Rajat is getting into the skin of Jalal more and more every day. He is coming up with some superlative acting. Despite of being in his early twenties, a long experience in front of the camera has bestowed him with a natural ease in front of the lens. But given that, the maturity with which he interprets Jalal is a portrayal way beyond his years.

I have stated that I suspect a return of the old fold. This is because of the Qawaali scene. Again a direct inspired bit from the film, down to the details of close up shots of the palms. But here I have to be partial to Ashutosh's Shehenshah...for his stupor and the trance-twirls are a cinematic treat. Fridays Jalal was good, but not in the same class as the dancing dervish Hrithwik.

Coming to the shikar scene itself..

I did smile to myself watching the immensely implausible set up of the Shehenshah-e-hind armed only with a Narnaal and his reluctant Begum ablaze in full regalia marching on foot right into the Tigers den. I mean in no annals of Shikar will you find a hunt story thus unfold.

Also if his logic for making her accompany him is taken at face value...and Jodha begum is such a good shot, then where is her bandook/teerkaman?😃

Or was he hoping to pull a Aaam-tod Veeru straight out of Sholay on her somewhere?😃

The least they could have shown was the two perched atop a Machan waiting for their feline.

A few episodes back Jalal I remember had barked at Jodha saying aapne Sher ko uske den mein jaake laalkara..adding a goodish... humne badla liya toh kya galat kiya?

What if Mohan now throws the same dialogue back at him? 😃

You say love is yet to surface...and I completely agree. But I dont want the Bug to bud from the much anticipated patient-nurse scenes. Rather those should be eye openners for Jodha... and bring at their wake a respect, even if a grudging one, for the real Jalal.

Would put in a few observations re Salima Sultan. She is turning out to be the most perceptive of the lot. She even reads Maham like a book when Badi ammi calls her for a mashwara on Aftaab ka pehla noor... politely yet firmly turning the tables on the Wazire ala. Her gentle ministrations and admonishing of Jodha or her poise and patience with the Dimag-besotted Ruqaiya...all indicate She has read the ECG graphs of both Jalal and Jodha correctly..much like Maham. Only intention wise the two stand poles apart..

As for Jodha, I am slowly resigning to the fact that there was some hoodwinking aboard...we were promised GM neurons and home delivered a goodhearted but petulant kid good at ludo.

But somehow this resignation rankles. I just can't accept the much abused and slightly refined dumb blond prototype for the female lead. But as you say with the turning tide Jodhas lost grey matter might just resurface. As they say..the Ocean always returns what it takes.

For your Question of the Day...

My guess is, Jalal gets a goodish bit of time to formulate a believable explanation for the missing Barood in the Narnaal. Your take is based on pure logic, and thats its biggest drawback 😉

May be he will just decide to brush the incident under a persian carpet, or By the time the couple reach back at Agra, the aag ugalna no show by the gun will be forgotten...

but your Gun-jam theory is too believable to be diljoi of the Ekta camp 😆

As for the quiz of the day...i think thrice, for she says Nirdosh Pranee another couple of times.

I laughed heartily at Pashu ke hathon Pashu ka hathya... Jalal shows remarkable restraint in saying kaun Janwaar hai aur kaun insaan iss baat ka faisla toh yeh Narnaal karegi...

I'm sure lady Narnaal shivered at that point...

But I also admit,

I have a wind advantage of having watched the episode later than the rest, that is quite recently. an hour back to be precise. So if shown the red flag...I will understand.😃

Love,

Moontide

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Moontide

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: sashashyam
Me too, Ela. I cannot even stand fishing,with the poor nirdosh machli being tortured by that hook in its mouth and dragged to its death. But try conveying that to a dedicated angler!

Plus, if one saw the awful way in which animals are raised for meat even in the most modern, and in fact precisely in the modern, mass hatcheries, piggeries, cattle pens - one would instantly become a vegetarian!

As for Jodha, they should have shown her lecturing her brothers against hunting as well for her present campaign to carry conviction. It was shown much better in one of the deleted scenes in the film.

Shyamala

Dear Ela and Vanilla-E-mint,

I too have lived with animals all my life. Cows for a goodish part of my junior school days.. Dogs all my life, a dozen cats of late, squirrels...the lot.

With a militant vegetarian of a sister at home who doesn't allow us to even kill ants, I can understand where Jodhas mindset comes from...

The only puzzle is, one who cant see a kaboodar die had been relentlessly campaigning for Jalal ka Sar... May be Jalal fails to make the grade re Nirdosh Pashu/Pranee.

Also, lectures alone will not detract Jalal from demanding his Diljoi ...at a time when Tigers were roaming the country in abundance. Its another thing altogether that had he had the good sense of showing restraint then, Mohan and his clan wouldn't be highly endangered now. All I say in young Jalal's defense, he did not have the luxury of hindsight.

Vanilla-e-mint, you speak of the conditions in animal farming... there is a delightful book on the extremes of genetic farming and its future, by Margaret Atwood...Oryx and Crake.. 😊

And I agree about the deleted shikar scene from the film...so much believable!

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Ela Singh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Moontide

Dear Ela and Vanilla-E-mint,

I too have lived with animals all my life. Cows for a goodish part of my junior school days.. Dogs all my life, a dozen cats of late, squirrels...the lot.
With a militant vegetarian of a sister at home who doesn't allow us to even kill ants, I can understand where Jodhas mindset comes from...

The only puzzle is, one who cant see a kaboodar die had been relentlessly campaigning for Jalal ka Sar... May be Jalal fails to make the grade re Nirdosh Pashu/Pranee.

Also, lectures alone will not detract Jalal from demanding his Diljoi ...at a time when Tigers were roaming the country in abundance. Its another thing altogether that had he had the good sense of showing restraint then, Mohan and his clan wouldn't be highly endangered now. All I say in young Jalal's defense, he did not have the luxury of hindsight.

Vanilla-e-mint, you speak of the conditions in animal farming... there is a delightful book on the extremes of genetic farming and its future, by Margaret Atwood...Oryx and Crake.. 😊

And I agree about the deleted shikar scene from the film...so much believable!

Moontide I was explaining my views abt animals and how I understand Jodha...

We all are complex individuals , aren't we?

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sashashyam

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Thank you, my dear Sonia, I am very pleased that you liked this one so much.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: sonia_1
Brilliant analysis of the episode 👏⭐️
Its a pleasure to read your post Shyamala. You write beautifully. ⭐️

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sashashyam

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Posted: 11 years ago

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A beautiful, perceptive take on Jodha's psyche, Jaya. My compliments. I particularly loved the parallel with Amba/Shikandi.

But Jalal could still say it jammed, you see, for it was a novel weapon as yet, with which the others in his entourage would not be at all familiar. Besides, contraptions that jam, do so without any particular reason, and then function all right the next time. So I still feel that is his best bet if he wants to save Jodha from an avalanche of reproach and condemnation, including even from his Ammijaan if, as she is very likely to do in the throes of acute self-condemnation, she blurts out the truth.

What I want to know is how Jodha, who had never seen the weapon before, knew how to unload it. It was not as easy as for a modern revolver or pistol, which has a pull out magazine of bullets. It would have been far more complicated and tricky. Let us if they clear up this point today.

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