Three questions after yesterday's episode!

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Friends, after watching yesterday's episode there are three questions sticking in my mind that I am curious to get answers for ...
1. How is Jalal going to mend that vase and his relationship with Jodha?
It was dashed sweet of them both that they did not quarrel as badly as I thought they would. He was deliberately mindful to remove his footwear when she did her prayers to Kanha, and he waited for her puja to finish, took the aarti (which she remembered to give him!) and then they went into this discussion and vase breaking mould. They were as "nice" as they could be to each other, despite the background of extreme acrimony in the last week or so, hence I am hopeful of a lovely scene where he brings back the repaired vase to her and says: "There, see how I 've organised for what is wrong to be mended without a scar!" How will he do it? Million dollar question!
Jyoti also told me last night that this glass vase breaking could be symbolic! It appears that when some mystery or important thing has to be exposed or revealed, the breaking of glass is considered auspicious, as if it is a sign of the issue "breaking open". So maybe the mystery of the miscarriage may get solved in a day or two.
2. Is Jalal banking on that ONE crucial link of evidence?
Throughout the episode it seemed to me that Jalal was banking on solving this miscarriage mystery with one crucial piece of evidence he was looking for ... ie. how did the dibbi end up in Salima's room? What is the connection between the dibbi and Salima?
How I got to this logic about Jalal's jasoosi angle is because:
1. He did not mention to Maham this one critical piece of information that he had got the dibbi from Salima's room. Maham is still guessing where he got it from! Suggests to me that Jalal may be withholding this info from Maham because he thinks it is the key piece of info. (I'd like to think he was being astute here!)

2. When he was later talking to himself in his own room he said: "Who is this extremely clever person trying to implicate my three wives. That person has made Ruq miscarry, embroiled Jodha as a suspect and then left the dibbi in Salima's room. If I could only know who left this in Salima's room, I'd get to the core of the issue". So Jalal seems to be zeroing in on that one link in the chain of events.
3. The Rahim confession to Jodha suggests that Rahim saw Mahamanga poison the kesar with contents from the dibbi, and then when the dibbi dropped to the floor, the kid has taken the dibbi and presumably later left it safe in his mother's room. If that is the case, then aside from Jalal and his three wives (Ruq, Jodha, Salima) only Rahim alone knows that the dibbi was ultimately placed in Salima's room. So if Rahim is able to provide that information to Jalal that he knows how the dibbi got to Salima's room, then Rahim's story must be true (including how he got that dibbi from Mahamanga dropping it).
Maybe Jalal's initial reaction (as per precap and SBS segment) is one of disbelief that Maham would do it, but upon reflection he would have to believe Rahim's story because aside from himself and his three wives, Rahim alone knew for sure the dibbi was placed in Salima's room. So Rahim's story - his full story of even how he got the dibbi from Maham dropping it - needs to be counted on, as Jalal will realise!
(Here we have a small related confusion for us viewers: in the precap yesterday we saw Maham as if she was pre-empting Jodha from telling Jalal the Rahim story by herself "confessing all" to Jalal. Maybe that was Maham's clever tactic to make Jalal disbelieve she was the culprit. On the other hand the SBS anchor said Jodha would try to tell Jalal the truth, but Rahim would clam up in fear and not spill the beans to Jalal and Jalal would then flare up at Jodha for accusing his Badi Ammi and he would believe Maham's crocodile tears. One question seems to be: whether Maham will do an "own up sham" or whether Jodha would accuse her. The second question seems to be: Will Jalal really believe Maham, or will he pretend to believe Maham?)
3. The mystery of the Humayun humshakal
To me this scene looks to be quite important to the immediate future track. Here Ruq's phuphi, the other dai maa of Jalal and Hamida are engaged in writing the history of Humayun when they ask Maham about the exact time when Humayun died. They ask: "At that moment there was no one with Humayun, right?" Maham replies : "Yes, Humayun died all alone, as Hamida was not by his side, she was in Kabul, and Bairam Khan and I were were with Jalal who could only be taken to Humayun's side after a gap of a week or ten days (?)."
Then Hamida adds something that seems to open Maham's eyes wide! Hamida says "In the interim till Jalal could reach his father and be crowned as the heir, we had to keep Humayun's death quiet and so we had to use an old religious man who was Humayun's humshakal to impersonate Humayun as if if the King was still alive".
I have no doubt that Maham will now try to locate this humshakal of Humayun who must still be alive, because this man could be a trump card in the future if Maham ever needs him. And my hunch is that the picture we saw (the spoiler) of Rajat dressed as an old pirbaba with a long grey beard must be this "humshakal of Hummayun" (maybe a double act of Rajat) that Maham will try to catch and keep on her side.
Okay, here's another question to ponder on: Are the two issues connected i.e. miscarriage dibbi issue and the humshakal issue? If Maham is caught by Jalal in this miscarriage issue, will she try to use this humshakal issue in any way to hold a sword over Jalal's head to ensure he cannot prosecute her (Maham)? Is there any doubt that can be thrown over Jalal's parentage or succession to Humayun as a result of this humshakal having been officiating as Humayun for a brief period?
My fertile imagination - supported by previous experience with Ekta soaps - makes me wonder what all Maham could do if she were to get hold of this humshakal! What do you all think?

P.S.: It will even more interesting if Jalal himself were clever enough to see through the humshakal game and was playing a double act to see who's behind what ...???
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Posted: 12 years ago
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1. How is Jalal going to mend that vase and his relationship with Jodha?

yup thats will be very intresting as a friend commented & i like it that may be jalal do something to give respect & honour to the Ameer king bharmal although jalal already announced & honoured the prince of ameer but seems jodha is not going to be impress & forgive him easily it will take time

2. Is Jalal banking on that ONE crucial link of evidence?
jalal is all set to find the culprit but i don't think mahmanga will be caught that easily but good thing now jodha will not trust mahmanga & always be on alert from her side & i think mahmang will make the poor little kid rahim confuse so jalal not take his evidence

3. The mystery of the Humayun humshakal

the scene was ok thank godness they didn't drag it but i think mahmanga get a plan from the discussion

Edited by Tohru - 12 years ago
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1. How is Jalal going to mend that vase and his relationship with Jodha?
It was dashed sweet of them both that they did not quarrel as badly as I thought they would. He was deliberately mindful to remove his footwear when she did her prayers to Kanha, and he waited for her puja to finish, took the aarti (which she remembered to give him!) and then they went into this discussion and vase breaking mould. They were as "nice" as they could be to each other, despite the background of extreme acrimony in the last week or so, hence I am hopeful of a lovely scene where he brings back the repaired vase to her and says: "There, see how I 've organised for what is wrong to be mended without a scar!" How will he do it? Million dollar question!
Jyoti also told me last night that this glass vase breaking could be symbolic! It appears that when some mystery or important thing has to be exposed or revealed, the breaking of glass is considered auspicious, as if it is a sign of the issue "breaking open". So maybe the mystery of the miscarriage may get solved in a day or two.
I like how Jyoti06 solve the mystery of the glass vase Symbolic one... . But mansi i have one question wat is that cheap vase going there, was it vase, it look cheap glass ware...
Million Dollar Question : u have commented once buy a new vase n start fresh ... that was a good one... but somehow i think he will put all back into pieces n come up with something...
but somehow i feel its better to put all the pieces n keep it as it is, Jodha will surely melt one day n the fix broken pieces will do wonders ... even though it has scars on it...😆
Time is the best medicine... Let vase break daily but keep patience Jalal... 😆
2. Is Jalal banking on that ONE crucial link of evidence?
Throughout the episode it seemed to me that Jalal was banking on solving this miscarriage mystery with one crucial piece of evidence he was looking for ... ie. how did the dibbi end up in Salima's room? What is the connection between the dibbi and Salima?
How I got to this logic about Jalal's jasoosi angle is because:
1. He did not mention to Maham this one critical piece of information that he had got the dibbi from Salima's room. Maham is still guessing where he got it from! Suggests to me that Jalal may be withholding this info from Maham because he thinks it is the key piece of info. (I'd like to think he was being astute here!)

2. When he was later talking to himself in his own room he said: "Who is this extremely clever person trying to implicate my three wives. That person has made Ruq miscarry, embroiled Jodha as a suspect and then left the dibbi in Salima's room. If I could only know who left this in Salima's room, I'd get to the core of the issue". So Jalal seems to be zeroing in on that one link in the chain of events.
3. The Rahim confession to Jodha suggests that Rahim saw Mahamanga poison the kesar with contents from the dibbi, and then when the dibbi dropped to the floor, the kid has taken the dibbi and presumably later left it safe in his mother's room. If that is the case, then aside from Jalal and his three wives (Ruq, Jodha, Salima) only Rahim alone knows that the dibbi was ultimately placed in Salima's room. So if Rahim is able to provide that information to Jalal that he knows how the dibbi got to Salima's room, then Rahim's story must be true (including how he got that dibbi from Mahamanga dropping it).
Maybe Jalal's initial reaction (as per precap and SBS segment) is one of disbelief that Maham would do it, but upon reflection he would have to believe Rahim's story because aside from himself and his three wives, Rahim alone knew for sure the dibbi was placed in Salima's room. So Rahim's story - his full story of even how he got the dibbi from Maham dropping it - needs to be counted on, as Jalal will realise!
(Here we have a small related confusion for us viewers: in the precap yesterday we saw Maham as if she was pre-empting Jodha from telling Jalal the Rahim story by herself "confessing all" to Jalal. Maybe that was Maham's clever tactic to make Jalal disbelieve she was the culprit. On the other hand the SBS anchor said Jodha would try to tell Jalal the truth, but Rahim would clam up in fear and not spill the beans to Jalal and Jalal would then flare up at Jodha for accusing his Badi Ammi and he would believe Maham's crocodile tears. One question seems to be: whether Maham will do an "own up sham" or whether Jodha would accuse her. The second question seems to be: Will Jalal really believe Maham, or will he pretend to believe Maham?)

intesresting mansi but will rahim tell wat he told jodha to Jalal ???? or will Maham act n threathen the child as well making him not to open his mouth...i find two things interesting here

1. will Maham get caught or will Jalal come to know MA hand in it .. meaning with proof ...The last time in BK issue Jalal was aware of MA involment as well but im not sure why he kept quiet was it bcoz no proof or coz shes his baddi ammi n hes tied up with that but here its his own child that was killed ...n if he has the proof why would he leave MA scoot free this time is also a ?
2. Will MA escape this time around scott free with getting someone else as scapegoat. if this happens then i really hope jodha is not the one confessing to Jalal that Maham is the culprit... coz if she does n Jalal dun trust her, i dun get a point here 2... so mayb Maham will do the honor by confessing in her style to trap Jodha to make it look like shes got the whole thing wrong...
Coz at the end of the day proof is important, just talking without proof wont do wonders... RAHIM is the proof but will he ???? As an a child of course child dun lie but can rahim confession be use 100% to identify the culprit is also a ? wat if the kid got it wrong... So depending solely on rahim a big NO NO in my view...😉

3. The mystery of the Humayun humshakal
To me this scene looks to be quite important to the immediate future track. Here Ruq's phuphi, the other dai maa of Jalal and Hamida are engaged in writing the history of Humayun when they ask Maham about the exact time when Humayun died. They ask: "At that moment there was no one with Humayun, right?" Maham replies : "Yes, Humayun died all alone, as Hamida was not by his side, she was in Kabul, and Bairam Khan and I were were with Jalal who could only be taken to Humayun's side after a gap of a week or ten days (?)."
Then Hamida adds something that seems to open Maham's eyes wide! Hamida says "In the interim till Jalal could reach his father and be crowned as the heir, we had to keep Humayun's death quiet and so we had to use an old religious man who was Humayun's humshakal to impersonate Humayun as if if the King was still alive".
I have no doubt that Maham will now try to locate this humshakal of Humayun who must still be alive, because this man could be a trump card in the future if Maham ever needs him. And my hunch is that the picture we saw (the spoiler) of Rajat dressed as an old pirbaba with a long grey beard must be this "humshakal of Hummayun" (maybe a double act of Rajat) that Maham will try to catch and keep on her side.
Okay, here's another question to ponder on: Are the two issues connected i.e. miscarriage dibbi issue and the humshakal issue? If Maham is caught by Jalal in this miscarriage issue, will she try to use this humshakal issue in any way to hold a sword over Jalal's head to ensure he cannot prosecute her (Maham)? Is there any doubt that can be thrown over Jalal's parentage or succession to Humayun as a result of this humshakal having been officiating as Humayun for a brief period?
My fertile imagination - supported by previous experience with Ekta soaps - makes me wonder what all Maham could do if she were to get hold of this humshakal! What do you all think?
i sincerely have no idea abt this scene but i think its connected n MA got some ideas from the convo as her eyes wer widened up...
Edited by riyya6 - 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: riyya6

Riyya, my answers to your answers is in red colour!
1. How is Jalal going to mend that vase and his relationship with Jodha?
It was dashed sweet of them both that they did not quarrel as badly as I thought they would. He was deliberately mindful to remove his footwear when she did her prayers to Kanha, and he waited for her puja to finish, took the aarti (which she remembered to give him!) and then they went into this discussion and vase breaking mould. They were as "nice" as they could be to each other, despite the background of extreme acrimony in the last week or so, hence I am hopeful of a lovely scene where he brings back the repaired vase to her and says: "There, see how I 've organised for what is wrong to be mended without a scar!" How will he do it? Million dollar question!
Jyoti also told me last night that this glass vase breaking could be symbolic! It appears that when some mystery or important thing has to be exposed or revealed, the breaking of glass is considered auspicious, as if it is a sign of the issue "breaking open". So maybe the mystery of the miscarriage may get solved in a day or two.
I like how Jyoti06 solve the mystery of the glass vase Symbolic one... . But mansi i have one question wat is that cheap vase going there, was it vase, it look cheap glass ware...
Million Dollar Question : u have commented once buy a new vase n start fresh ... that was a good one... but somehow i think he will put all back into pieces n come up with something...
but somehow i feel its better to put all the pieces n keep it as it is, Jodha will surely melt one day n the fix broken pieces will do wonders ... even though it has scars on it...😆
Someone on the forum has suggested that Jalal may take the glass to the glassmaker, get it all melted and reshaped into a new vase, thus symbolically proving to Jodha that the broken fragments need to melt and begin anew! Good idea!
2. Is Jalal banking on that ONE crucial link of evidence?
Throughout the episode it seemed to me that Jalal was banking on solving this miscarriage mystery with one crucial piece of evidence he was looking for ... ie. how did the dibbi end up in Salima's room? What is the connection between the dibbi and Salima?
How I got to this logic about Jalal's jasoosi angle is because:
1. He did not mention to Maham this one critical piece of information that he had got the dibbi from Salima's room. Maham is still guessing where he got it from! Suggests to me that Jalal may be withholding this info from Maham because he thinks it is the key piece of info. (I'd like to think he was being astute here!)

2. When he was later talking to himself in his own room he said: "Who is this extremely clever person trying to implicate my three wives. That person has made Ruq miscarry, embroiled Jodha as a suspect and then left the dibbi in Salima's room. If I could only know who left this in Salima's room, I'd get to the core of the issue". So Jalal seems to be zeroing in on that one link in the chain of events.
3. The Rahim confession to Jodha suggests that Rahim saw Mahamanga poison the kesar with contents from the dibbi, and then when the dibbi dropped to the floor, the kid has taken the dibbi and presumably later left it safe in his mother's room. If that is the case, then aside from Jalal and his three wives (Ruq, Jodha, Salima) only Rahim alone knows that the dibbi was ultimately placed in Salima's room. So if Rahim is able to provide that information to Jalal that he knows how the dibbi got to Salima's room, then Rahim's story must be true (including how he got that dibbi from Mahamanga dropping it).
Maybe Jalal's initial reaction (as per precap and SBS segment) is one of disbelief that Maham would do it, but upon reflection he would have to believe Rahim's story because aside from himself and his three wives, Rahim alone knew for sure the dibbi was placed in Salima's room. So Rahim's story - his full story of even how he got the dibbi from Maham dropping it - needs to be counted on, as Jalal will realise!
(Here we have a small related confusion for us viewers: in the precap yesterday we saw Maham as if she was pre-empting Jodha from telling Jalal the Rahim story by herself "confessing all" to Jalal. Maybe that was Maham's clever tactic to make Jalal disbelieve she was the culprit. On the other hand the SBS anchor said Jodha would try to tell Jalal the truth, but Rahim would clam up in fear and not spill the beans to Jalal and Jalal would then flare up at Jodha for accusing his Badi Ammi and he would believe Maham's crocodile tears. One question seems to be: whether Maham will do an "own up sham" or whether Jodha would accuse her. The second question seems to be: Will Jalal really believe Maham, or will he pretend to believe Maham?)

intesresting mansi but will rahim tell wat he told jodha to Jalal ???? or will Maham act n threathen the child as well making him not to open his mouth...i find two things interesting here

1. will Maham get caught or will Jalal come to know MA hand in it .. meaning with proof ...The last time in BK issue Jalal was aware of MA involment as well but im not sure why he kept quiet was it bcoz no proof or coz shes his baddi ammi n hes tied up with that but here its his own child that was killed ...n if he has the proof why would he leave MA scoot free this time is also a ?
2. Will MA escape this time around scott free with getting someone else as scapegoat. if this happens then i really hope jodha is not the one confessing to Jalal that Maham is the culprit... coz if she does n Jalal dun trust her, i dun get a point here 2... so mayb Maham will do the honor by confessing in her style to trap Jodha to make it look like shes got the whole thing wrong...
Yes, Riyya, even I am scared that Maham is now going to threaten Rahim! But even if, say, Rahim does not tell Jalal, but at least Jodha tells Jalal that Rahim has given this story, and Salima also backs up this claim by Jodha saying she also asked Rahim and he said the same thing to her, I hope it will all make Jalal consider the Rahim story!
Jalal need not totally base his judgement on Rahim story, but it can become the basis of further investigation. It is an important clue, even if a small child has said it!
See, regarding Maham going scot-free or making someone else take the rap, yes that is totally possible and probable too. But with every skirmish that Maham has with Jalal - first the murder of Bairam in which he had her name but no proof, and now this issue - don't you think the credibility of Maham is slowly getting worn out? Eventually there will come a breaking point when Jalal may not be able to ignore the saazish-laden hand of Maham! When that will come God knows, but a point has to come when Jalal says "Thus far and no further!"

3. The mystery of the Humayun humshakal
To me this scene looks to be quite important to the immediate future track. Here Ruq's phuphi, the other dai maa of Jalal and Hamida are engaged in writing the history of Humayun when they ask Maham about the exact time when Humayun died. They ask: "At that moment there was no one with Humayun, right?" Maham replies : "Yes, Humayun died all alone, as Hamida was not by his side, she was in Kabul, and Bairam Khan and I were were with Jalal who could only be taken to Humayun's side after a gap of a week or ten days (?)."
Then Hamida adds something that seems to open Maham's eyes wide! Hamida says "In the interim till Jalal could reach his father and be crowned as the heir, we had to keep Humayun's death quiet and so we had to use an old religious man who was Humayun's humshakal to impersonate Humayun as if if the King was still alive".
I have no doubt that Maham will now try to locate this humshakal of Humayun who must still be alive, because this man could be a trump card in the future if Maham ever needs him. And my hunch is that the picture we saw (the spoiler) of Rajat dressed as an old pirbaba with a long grey beard must be this "humshakal of Hummayun" (maybe a double act of Rajat) that Maham will try to catch and keep on her side.
Okay, here's another question to ponder on: Are the two issues connected i.e. miscarriage dibbi issue and the humshakal issue? If Maham is caught by Jalal in this miscarriage issue, will she try to use this humshakal issue in any way to hold a sword over Jalal's head to ensure he cannot prosecute her (Maham)? Is there any doubt that can be thrown over Jalal's parentage or succession to Humayun as a result of this humshakal having been officiating as Humayun for a brief period?
My fertile imagination - supported by previous experience with Ekta soaps - makes me wonder what all Maham could do if she were to get hold of this humshakal! What do you all think?
i sincerely have no idea abt this scene but i think its connected n MA got some ideas from the convo as her eyes wer widened up...
I don't know why but I feel that this humshakal is the one that is in the spoiler pic of Rajat as old pirbaba, and somehow this hummshakal issue will get tied up with this miscarriage track by Maham! Let's wait and see!

Edited by skanda12 - 12 years ago
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Skanda i dont think Jalal possess as much intelligence as you are creditting him with...How he has managed to stay alive till now ,beats me.
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Originally posted by: elasingh

Skanda i dont think Jalal possess as much intelligence as you are creditting him with...How he has managed to stay alive till now ,beats me.

Yes I know. I always keep writing that Jalal may have done all this deliberately and with cleverness and yet the episodes seem to suggest that he is essentially brainless and believing what everybody says too easily.
Still, Ela, I live in hope, because if the hero of the story is brainless then what's in it for me?
Out of pure self-interest I keep thinking and hoping that Jalal is clever!😆😆😆
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mansi indeed a good idea ... the glass one 👍🏼
mansi look at the whole scenario, salima knew she was the suspect of the dibbi, rather than talking to jodha she should have gone to Jalal n explain her side of story.. Even if she dun know from wer the dibbi came she could have ask Rahim or do some investigation but no... so i fail to understand how she will back up...
N jodha telling Jalal rahim story im not saying he dun trust both jodha n rahim but they are saying something against his baddi aami who is very important to him ... tell me why would Jalal trust Jodha over Maham... Jodha Jalal is not even there yet to understand each other, of coz the process is there but trust is door ke baat in my view...
So how would this combo of salima, rahim n jodha work. This is only talking group... But action is MA... n with their three combo wont it look like they wanna fix maham 😆 ...
Edited by riyya6 - 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: riyya6

mansi indeed a good idea ... the glass one 👍🏼

mansi look at the whole scenario, salima knew she was the suspect of the dibbi, rather than talking to jodha she should have gone to Jalal n explain her side of story.. Even if she dun know from wer the dibbi came she could have ask Rahim or do some investigation but no... so i fail to understand how she will back up...
N jodha telling Jalal rahim story im not saying he dun trust both jodha n rahim but they are saying something against his baddi aami who is very important to him ... tell me why would Jalal trust Jodha over Maham... Jodha Jalal is not even there yet to understand each other, of coz the process is there but trust is door ke baat in my view...
So how would this combo of salima, rahim n jodha work. This is only talking group... But action is MA... n with their three combo wont it look like they wanna fix maham 😆 ...

Yes, I know. On one side our hope flourish, and on the other side we know that the villain will win hands down!
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wow it seems now Jalal got two crucial task at a time,one mending the vase, two - finding out the culprit, and he has no idea atm how to proceed..poor chap..:-D;-)..
well as per SBS segment rahim would get scared of jalal's enraged avataar and wouldn't be able to spill the bean on maham.. So I think all the bucket full tears we are gonna get today from maham are all crocodile's tears and by that she would prove herself the innocent one to jalal's eyes..:-/..
as per the hamsakal story,well I think maham didn't know it so her eyes widened hearing that, but how will she get that hamsakal now??she has no intention to replace jalal with someone else right now.. If a very faint idea she perhaps has had,that is to make her son the emperor and no one else replacing jalal,and moreover it almost 8-9 years have been passed,so how maham after so many years will get to reach the hamsakal,and how will she implicate that person when the other three ladies know the truth..so she is not gonna use the hamsakal in any way..but from that story she might have got some idea,now lets see how the idea unfolds..:-)
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The idea of Jalal sending the smashed vase to the Imperial Glass Maker & having it melted & turned into something new is beautifully symbolic & a brilliant idea!! Whoever thought of this one- Applause 👏
And Jalal is anything but brainless! It's all Jodha's fault! She makes him brainless😆.

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