Three questions after yesterday's episode! - Page 3

Originally posted by: skanda12

Friends, after watching yesterday's episode there are three questions sticking in my mind that I am curious to get answers for ...

1. How is Jalal going to mend that vase and his relationship with Jodha?

It was dashed sweet of them both that they did not quarrel as badly as I thought they would. He was deliberately mindful to remove his footwear when she did her prayers to Kanha, and he waited for her puja to finish, took the aarti (which she remembered to give him!) and then they went into this discussion and vase breaking mould. They were as "nice" as they could be to each other, despite the background of extreme acrimony in the last week or so, hence I am hopeful of a lovely scene where he brings back the repaired vase to her and says: "There, see how I 've organised for what is wrong to be mended without a scar!" How will he do it? Million dollar question!

Jyoti also told me last night that this glass vase breaking could be symbolic! It appears that when some mystery or important thing has to be exposed or revealed, the breaking of glass is considered auspicious, as if it is a sign of the issue "breaking open". So maybe the mystery of the miscarriage may get solved in a day or two.

If you read my post, you will see my take on it. He can have the pieces melted and recast into a vase identical with the old one.

2. Is Jalal banking on that ONE crucial link of evidence?

Throughout the episode it seemed to me that Jalal was banking on solving this miscarriage mystery with one crucial piece of evidence he was looking for ... ie. how did the dibbi end up in Salima's room? What is the connection between the dibbi and Salima?

How I got to this logic about Jalal's jasoosi angle is because:

1. He did not mention to Maham this one critical piece of information that he had got the dibbi from Salima's room. Maham is still guessing where he got it from! Suggests to me that Jalal may be withholding this info from Maham because he thinks it is the key piece of info. (I'd like to think he was being astute here!)

His silence when Mahaam asks him is very deliberate.Yes, of course he is being astute, but it is not a piece of cake to identify the culprit with just this one clue. It is like the writers of anonymous letters, it is incredibly difficult for the police, even with modern scientific aids.

Some people here seem dead set on dumbing Jalal down to benefit Jodha, but as I wrote in my last but one post, there is nothing to choose between the two. She is in fact worse, at least he learns from his mistakes. She not only learns nothing, she does not think she needs to learn anything.

2. When he was later talking to himself in his own room he said: "Who is this extremely clever person trying to implicate my three wives. That person has made Ruq miscarry, embroiled Jodha as a suspect and then left the dibbi in Salima's room. If I could only know who left this in Salima's room, I'd get to the core of the issue". So Jalal seems to be zeroing in on that one link in the chain of events.

3. The Rahim confession to Jodha suggests that Rahim saw Mahamanga poison the kesar with contents from the dibbi, and then when the dibbi dropped to the floor, the kid has taken the dibbi and presumably later left it safe in his mother's room. If that is the case, then aside from Jalal and his three wives (Ruq, Jodha, Salima) only Rahim alone knows that the dibbi was ultimately placed in Salima's room. So if Rahim is able to provide that information to Jalal that he knows how the dibbi got to Salima's room, then Rahim's story must be true (including how he got that dibbi from Mahamanga dropping it).

Maybe Jalal's initial reaction (as per precap and SBS segment) is one of disbelief that Maham would do it, but upon reflection he would have to believe Rahim's story because aside from himself and his three wives, Rahim alone knew for sure the dibbi was placed in Salima's room. So Rahim's story - his full story of even how he got the dibbi from Maham dropping it - needs to be counted on, as Jalal will realise!

(Here we have a small related confusion for us viewers: in the precap yesterday we saw Maham as if she was pre-empting Jodha from telling Jalal the Rahim story by herself "confessing all" to Jalal. Maybe that was Maham's clever tactic to make Jalal disbelieve she was the culprit. On the other hand the SBS anchor said Jodha would try to tell Jalal the truth, but Rahim would clam up in fear and not spill the beans to Jalal and Jalal would then flare up at Jodha for accusing his Badi Ammi and he would believe Maham's crocodile tears. One question seems to be: whether Maham will do an "own up sham" or whether Jodha would accuse her. The second question seems to be: Will Jalal really believe Maham, or will he pretend to believe Maham?)

The question is not so much of how the dibbi got to Salima's room, or even of Mahaam's presence in the toshakhana at that time. It is more of establishing the link between Mahaam and the dibba, especially that she tipped something (Rahim does not know what it was, of course) from it into the small (kesar ke) dibbis.

It is here that the loophole for Mahaam will emerge. Rahim could not have seen anything as clearly as the telecast shows us; he was peeping thru a slit and holding up the box lid at the same time. Plus he is an excitable child.Even modern day courts are very cautious, even sceptical, before accepting a child's evidence,.

3. The mystery of the Humayun humshakal

To me this scene looks to be quite important to the immediate future track. Here Ruq's phuphi, the other dai maa of Jalal and Hamida are engaged in writing the history of Humayun when they ask Maham about the exact time when Humayun died. They ask: "At that moment there was no one with Humayun, right?" Maham replies : "Yes, Humayun died all alone, as Hamida was not by his side, she was in Kabul, and Bairam Khan and I were were with Jalal who could only be taken to Humayun's side after a gap of a week or ten days (?)."

Then Hamida adds something that seems to open Maham's eyes wide! Hamida says "In the interim till Jalal could reach his father and be crowned as the heir, we had to keep Humayun's death quiet and so we had to use an old religious man who was Humayun's humshakal to impersonate Humayun as if if the King was still alive".

I have no doubt that Maham will now try to locate this humshakal of Humayun who must still be alive, because this man could be a trump card in the future if Maham ever needs him. And my hunch is that the picture we saw (the spoiler) of Rajat dressed as an old pirbaba with a long grey beard must be this "humshakal of Hummayun" (maybe a double act of Rajat) that Maham will try to catch and keep on her side.

Okay, here's another question to ponder on: Are the two issues connected i.e. miscarriage dibbi issue and the humshakal issue? If Maham is caught by Jalal in this miscarriage issue, will she try to use this humshakal issue in any way to hold a sword over Jalal's head to ensure he cannot prosecute her (Maham)? Is there any doubt that can be thrown over Jalal's parentage or succession to Humayun as a result of this humshakal having been officiating as Humayun for a brief period?

My fertile imagination - supported by previous experience with Ekta soaps - makes me wonder what all Maham could do if she were to get hold of this humshakal! What do you all think?

Now this I do not buy at all, Mansi, it is too, too far out. How does someone having pretended to be Humayun for 17 days affect Jalal's cast iron descent from Humayun? The humshakal's identity is hardly a secret, after all, everyone knows it. It is not as if Jalal was his son!

The question, it seems to me, is not so much of Mahaam getting hold of Humayun's humshakal, which will serve her nothing that I can see. It is rather of her adapting the humshakal idea to suit her present needs, perhaps by claiming, if she was pushed to the wall later, that it was her humshakal! She does not need to produce anyone, just to raise the possibility. This too is far out, but it is the best I can do.

P.S.: It will even more interesting if Jalal himself were clever enough to see through the humshakal game and was playing a double act to see who's behind what ...???

What humshakal game?

Well, I have had enough of all this Byzantine speculation - most of which is invariably shot to pieces by the CVs the very next day, as I know better than most, having fallen flat on my face times without number. I am sick of this dibbi nonsense, and I am switching off till the tiger appears!😉

Originally posted by: sun29

there is a reason why suddenly this story was narrated yesterday infront of MA...and MA knows jalal will not give up till he gets the culprit...hence even if she escapes with her emotional drama today ,the threat still looms large on her head given there is a witness...rahim may have been scared today but at some point he may blurt it out..can MA take that risk..and she knows jodha will not lay off her back...hence the only way to save herself would be to dress up someone as her and make her the scapegoat...and about salima...well she may have to invent some convincing drama and knowing salima she may believe anything not raising any doubts...enough for the case to be closed ...

and what would jalal do with that broken vase..i am as curious as all here...let us see how he takes this forward

it is high time the foundation of JJ is set now..bahut ladh lia...their story has to start now ...hope this tiger incident is that turning point

Originally posted by: deejagi

Hi All,

Since you all are tried to explein about broken glass, Dibbi& Rahim, I just want to make one point here that is about the hamshakal. May be lshe will produce hamshakal of Jallal, Jodha, Ruq, Hamida and herself.

What will be more interesting will be the hamshakal of the dibbi itelf. What if she can come up with few more such boxes. It is not taht she got the box done on that particular day to preserve the poison. So she must be having some more with her which cab be implanted in some important places? May be in Ruq & hamida's rooms as well?

jaya