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Posted: 12 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: sectoreight



LOL, not just fresh life partners are compared to anandi but the singhs have compared Jagya himself to Anandi at times...


Bhairon himself has said "Isme anandi jitni kaabiliyat nahi hai" etc. etc.


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That was their biggest flaw! Anandi had qualities because it was inherent in her and because of her parents and her Teacher ji's values inculcated in her.

Singhs' faulty and weak parenting and DS' pampering is to blame for Jagya suffering in life.

They take him or disown him as they wish and even when they have taken him now, they are not focusing on a FRESH start to his life. No focus on his TRULY moving on.

I hate how CVs made normal and educated girls psycho vamps and converted a strong woman like Ganga into a squeaky timid dukhiyaari naari who takes brickbats and instructions in equal measure and slowly has little say of her own! The way she's also compared to Anandi and made a clone of her, it's like it will be the ultimate achievement for her if she becomes "like Anandi ji" or takes "her place" or "similar place as hers" in Singhs' house!
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The only qualification and ticket to Singh household is to fashion oneself after Anandi?Some fresh start Jagya or Singhs or Jagya's new wife can have in their lives then! 😲
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Posted: 12 years ago
#12
Depends

sometimes the putting down the foot to make others aware of your identity ,the difference in u and the person who left that gaping void is mere ego that actually achieves nothing

does it really achieve anything

except some egoistic satisfaction

u make ur own identity known , then

then what

r u liked more , does it make a difference , get u accolades , what

Saanchi told Anandi about this identity business when Anandi told her Jagya does not like bright colors in jackets

she said well i like them and he will even have to keep MY taste in mind

Saanchi will set about proving her identity in the moment she enters the house

but will it achieve anything

will it keep the family together

will it strengthen her relationship with her husband

does that really make her individually a strong woman

or its egoistic display bas

i feel

identity should be made effortlessly and firmly but quietly

it is made without even stressing on it ...by regular actions .

What is the harm if one fills the void left by Anandi

it is the need of that house

a daughter in law who holds the home together like her , is caring like her

is it really so terrible to be compared to a nice person and is it wrong of a family who has experienced such a nice person to search for the same niceness in the person filling that space

does a seperate identity really solve anything except gratify feminine ego

how about acquiring ur own identity through deeds and naturally

questions questions and questions




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Posted: 12 years ago
#13
I think what the singhs are doing is natural.
I joined my current job five years ago.
Before I came in my boss had an assistant/colleague called Tanaaz and tanaaz had worked with her for fifteen years before leaving.
For two years, my boss would constantly grieve over the loss she felt from Tanaaz. It was as if Tanaaz knew every pore of my boss and her requirements and my boss was just reeling from the shock of her being gone. Tanaaz could read her mind even before my boss said anything explicitly. She was able to correlate three or four assignments on her own and string them together in a fashion that if my boss did one thing ... it meant automatic completion of all four assignments.
Initially, I struggled with the comparison, and wanted to show my "own unique identity" 😆😆😆
But I quickly came to realize that she didn't mean any ill or demeaning towards me, she was just feeling the shock of losing such a person who knew everything about her... and having to train me was a shock to her system. To constantly have to train me was getting on her nerves.
Now was it unfair to me ? Sure.
But as koolsadhu says -- I sort of realized that this was the requirement of the job, that I should be like Tanaaz. And I quickly set my goal to be like Tanaaz. And after two years, she never once mentioned Tanaaz again. Otherwise I should quit the job. But I could not stay there and try to show my own unique identity.
The point I am trying to make is that everyone has certain requirements and Jagya's wife cant just be his wife, she also has to fit into the framework of being a daughter-in-law to the singhs.
This role (Jagya's wife) is not just a patni role, it is a patni-cum-bahu role.
So then, Saanchi needs to decide if this is for her from a comprehensive, integrated sense.
Will she be able to fulfil it ?
If Saanchi's unique identity involves the two - gehna and sumitra working in the kitchen... and saanchi upstairs listening to music on her bed with head phones in her head ... then her unique identity will not be a fit for the household.
Its just that simple. We cant break into an institution and break all the rules.
We should only go in if we can adjust within that framework.
Otherwise leave it.
And I also feel that when they say Anandi , they do not just mean Anandi the person, who cooks and cleans, it is more a broader metaphor for generic good qualities "loving, kind, fair-minded, just, caring, truthful, honest, hard working" etc. etc. etc.
If an identity is framed around these sorts of qualities, there is nothing wrong with anandi.
what I mean to say is that there is a difference between being compared to a person, and being compared to a set standard. And hear anandi is the embodiment of a standard, not just anandi the person.
As far as saanchi is concerned, I really think she would have been better off in Australia with the guy Mihir. She would be away from parents and in-laws, she would be in a modern city, and she could wear her jeans etc. and be herself. He would have appreciated her own unique identity because that was the kind of wife he was looking for too.
Edited by sectoreight - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#14
If it is not sanchi, gauri or even ganga.

If it is a normal girl with no emotional burden with the singhs, I would have definitely be on her side regarding comparison. With a self respecting woman, it will go towards separation too.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#15
Exactly, who wants to twist themselves into a pretzel to be someone they are not?
It's hard to keep up the pretense for the rest of your life.
The bottom line is that it is an individual choice for everyone.
The question is "Does it feel good to change into anandi?"
Because I think we can all endeavour towards self-improvement every now and then.
For Ganga, it may feel good to be like anandi.
For Saanchi. it may not. Then she has to take a call.
For me, in my job mentioned above, it felt really good to "be like tanaaz"... because I saw tanaaz was a super-robot model of efficiency. I loved it. I felt that being like tanaaz or endeavouring to become like her was actually taking me to new levels of self-actualization. Today I am very glad that I had a role model like Tanaaz because it brought out things in me which I would never have discovered on my own. It gave me a lot of new polish.
But if it didn't feel good, I wouldn't have done it. I would have walked off and found another job suited to me and whoever I already was in that given time and space.
Edited by sectoreight - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#16
IDEAL TYPE: A standard of comparison gives us to see the aspects of the real characteristics in a clearer and systematic way. In BV Anandi is an ideal type for the Singhs; worked as a catalyst in their lives.That's why they are blunt in' criticism and praise' with Jagdish and Anandi. That typifying is creating conflicts which is unfortunate to Jagdish and unavoidable for the Singhs.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#17
@sectoreight

You are missing my point.

It is NOT about Sanchi. It is about any girl who is to be the new wife and DIL.

Though compare and contrast is natural in everything. Still it is different in family and in other areas like workplace or academic institution.

The sensitivity, expectations and decorum in functioning of a family are different than those of a workplace.

You talked of boss. Well an employee has no personal relation with boss. And though we all want to be in good books of the boss, we are not as sensitive about his or her treatment to us as we are about our family's treatment to us. You can leave job and look for alternatives. But it is not easy to look for alternatives or leave a family or a relationship since there are emotional ties involved.

Your replies again and again center around Sanchi. But I am not discussing her condition.

I am more focused on comparing "to be wife" with ex wife, that too, openly on their face.

And if someone is really good or has qualities of the ideal standard - like Ganga, even then she is not praised for it uniquely. Rather we have words like "ekdum Anandi jaisi" that too on her face!

Is it fair?

In your family you look for love, you look for being valued. If your home is not going to value you for who you are and rather compliment you for fitting in a standard (that of ex wife or DIL) then how appropriate is it?

Singhs can compare and contrast in private. Why on anyone's face?

Why only Sanchi or Gauri have unique identity? Even Ganga is unique! And has her own identity!

Relations of wife and bahu are sensitive. A woman is always striving to make her place in family. Family should also then, have some courtesy to not keep comparing her to ex wife.

Now Ganga has worked on herself and bonded with Singhs, right? But she ought to be valued for herself than get a validation that she passed the comparison with ex wife/ex DIL test.

Such comparisons don't do any good. They can't be brushed aside either. Some time or the other, they have all potential to affect anyone negatively.

Regarding "feeling good". Of course, if you feel good then go along and if you do not then leave it.

Situation in office or school/college are different. Yeah, one may work to best of his or her capability to achieve a standard.

But having ex wife as ideal that you have to work towards in pleasing your in laws and husband is bizarre. And even more bizarre, is elders of family, making a woman feel she is being judged on the ex wife scale.

Okay, Ganga feels good. But how long can she feel good? And can Singhs take her "feeling good" for granted and go on with their behaviour?

What if there was a girl who was good, had qualities and had no baggage but was compared to Anandi even if she was good? Any normal girl would, at some point, feel awkward.

And after marriage, even more, if she was compared to ex wife. That would imply she is still not accepted fully in family.
Edited by Skepblun - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@koolsadhu1000


I am not in favour of blatantly asserting your identity the way Sanchi does.

But what I point at, is that even when someone does something good and praiseworthy, she is not praised for what she did. It is not, "You're so good". It is, "Hey! You're exactly like Anandi!"

Is it fair? Is it right or does it help anyone start afresh if constant references and comparisons are made to ex wife and DIL?😲

Ganga has quietly worked around and bonded with Singhs and Jagya. But even in praise, she is not praised for her qualities. But DS raves about her being "ekdum Anandi jaisi".

I do not think it is fair to her (or someone like her who has goodness and qualities to be ideal wife and DIL).

It is not always about ego. I think there is something called self respect too. Isn't it?

Openly comparing family members and relations is never advisable. Even among siblings. Here we are talking a SENSITIVE relation - that of a wife and DIL! And who is she compared with? Ex wife and DIL?

Compare and contrast is natural human tendency. But in sensitive family matters, shouldn't it be done privately and not on people's faces the way Singhs do?

No one endorsed it when Jagya used to compare Gauri and Anandi (during that triangle track). No one liked it when DS deliberately kept Gauri in house so that all (including Jagya) could compare and contrast between her and Anandi.

No one liked Sugna or Anandi even thinking about their exes though it was natural for them to at least think!

Would anyone ever tolerate let alone endorse Anandi comparing between her parents, former in laws and current in laws, even in her thoughts, alone to herself, let alone on anyone's face?

Would anyone have liked if Sugna or Anandi had praised Shyam or Shiv in comparative sense, saying, "Oh you're way better than Pratap or Jagya!"???

It is different to compare students, employees or products or places. But different and sensitive, comparing humans. That too, the ones who are in your home and are (or are about to be) in a relation as sensitive as marriage.😕

I have a relative who divorced his first wife and years later married again. I miss his former wife and was closer to her than I can ever be to his second wife. Many others in family, like his second wife but do miss his former one and at times feel he made a mistake by divorcing her. BUT, NONE OF US ever talk about his first wife in his or his new wife's presence. We never compare his second wife to first one, in front of them. Even if we talk in comparison, we do so, in their absence. Rather our elders discourage such comparative talks and tell us to let it be and go with the flow. Everyone treats the second wife with respect for who she is. Rather, we all, don't even let her feel that she is second wife. I respect her and bond with her well. I maintain to my parents that my bond with her is not like the one I had with the previous one. But NO WAY, do I make it apparent to her. Each one of us bonds with her on individual basis. And no one compares her on her face. No one mentions that relative's former marriage to him anymore, on his face.
Even when any of us find anything praiseworthy in his second wife - be it her behaviour, education, looks or anything else, we praise her as it is. No one says, "Oh you're better than the previous one!" or "Oh you have this quality but the previous one didn't!"

Everyone is careful in their words and conduct. And I remember that even when they were contemplating his second marriage, they would discuss "comparisons" or past only privately. And not on prospective match's faces!

This is how everyone has helped each other move forward and start afresh in life.

I think if we had kept mentioning our affinity towards the divorced woman who is no longer in family, or kept making that relative feel ashamed or making him feel like he had made a mistake and kept the former one as a gold standard to compare and contrast with - OPENLY, then there was NO WAY that man would have moved on in life. He was also not ready for remarriage anyway!

Such matters need tact and sensitivity in the way they are handled.

Can Jagya truly start his life afresh if he is forever reminded of his ex wife and if his wife to be or wife is constantly compared to ex wife?

Can his wife to be/wife ever feel emotionally secure and have satisfaction that she has a place for herself in this family and she is accepted in it, if she is compared to ex wife and ex DIL even in praise?

Or does a woman always have to be made to feel that she has to work or is working to progress in fitting in the Anandi model or filling some void?😲

"No you're not like Anandi!"/"Wow! That's much like Anandi!"/"Now you're completely like Anandi!"/"Hey you are better than Anandi!" - is this an appropriate way to talk to any woman, on her face?😕

Shouldn't one also take care of others' feelings and self respect while talking?

It is not always about ego. There is something called self esteem and self respect. Isn't it?

It is not the woman's responsibility to keep the family together alone. It is also the family's responsibility to make her feel she is their family, she is accepted and valued there and she has a place for her own with them!

One is valued for what one means to the family or one is valued for filling in others' shoes only?

These are family matters and not some reality show where contestants are being openly judged and compared and rated, going to next round or eliminated or getting wild card entries.

I do think a family should maintain a basic courtesy while talking to someone and do think about how one would feel, before just shooting words from their mouth.

Respecting Anandi, not being able to get over her etc., is fine. But open and constant comparisons are not. Or are they?

Comparisons do no good. But they have full potential to someday cause problems - whether done between siblings or bizarre - in case of spouses!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: SEETHA.K

IDEAL TYPE: A standard of comparison gives us to see the aspects of the real characteristics in a clearer and systematic way. In BV Anandi is an ideal type for the Singhs; worked as a catalyst in their lives.That's why they are blunt in' criticism and praise' with Jagdish and Anandi. That typifying is creating conflicts which is unfortunate to Jagdish and unavoidable for the Singhs.


Yes Anandi is ideal. And comparisons are natural. But why do it openly? Comparing is unavaoidable but comparing on everyone's face is surely avoidable!

For eg., if Ganga has done something that is close to ideal, then they should say, "Bahut acha kaam kiya", "badi adarsh ladki hai" etc. - I mean just compliment her for being good and doing well! Rather than blurt out - "Arre wah! Ekdum Anandi jaisi!" and go on laughing foolishly!

You are so good, you are so caring is anyday a better and more appropriate way to talk than, saying You are like Anandi (who is the ex wife and ex DIL!).
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The identity thing is important to some

Hard as it may sound , it is NOT at all important to some

So unimportant is it that those people don't even think about it

they think it is empty nitpicking when there r more meaningful issues in life , like helping the handicapped or fighting cancer or standing in a line for child's admission to a college in India

then there r some who think its terribly important . Their whole life revolves around this , they fel insulted if compared to some one else constantly .

Here i think

Ganga belongs to the first type

Saanchi to the second

Ganga has gone through so much in her young life , child marraige , domestic abuse , rape , divorce , she has seen it all

for her being compared to Anandi or any body else hardly matters .

Is it right

ummm... again same answer comes to mind

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