Asad & Zoya: Wounded Hearts Epi June 21 - Page 7

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Posted: 12 years ago
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about the asad sexual harassment...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hsvs

Hi Sangeeta,


Good to see your post! Brilliant analysis as usual!

What an episode yesterdays was! While I wasnt happy that they went for this angle in the story, yesterdays episode was mindblowing and very well done. KSG nailed it - and the last two episodes have converted me into a KSG fan!

Asad has lost everything in a matter of hours - all because of his blind faith and trust in his childhood friend. This is tragic but we always knew it was coming. There were enough references to Asads fears about becoming a Rashid. Asad will be in a difficult place the next few weeks as he will torture himself for having let everyone down. Gosh, he is a good guy with some flaws! This is not what he deserves.

If this is retribution for Asad - as the tables are ironically turned on him- and he is getting it back for how he treated Zoya earlier, I wonder will there be no retribution for characters like Razia and Tanveer. I think this extreme negativity in the show these days is what has been bugging me! ( I believe at least in fiction good should prevail over evil! )

Okay, I digress... Coming back to the episode:

Maybe the weak, spineless Rashid we see today is a shadow of his former self. I am sure Razia would have trapped Rashid the first time round also. I do think that Rashid may try piecing some bits of information that he has (about Tanveer) and try telling Asad about it.

Tanveer will try convincing Asad that something may have happened and will play on the angle that her reputation has been ruined. Think she will play her story depending on what gets through to Asad at that point in time. She will keep a route open such that she can come back after a month and claim she is pregnant! Disgusting! Here is where I would like to see a Rashid - Asad scene where Rashid shares Zoyas fears and concerns and tells him about the knife having Tanveer's fingerprints. Maybe this is when Asad goes to Ajmer?

As for Zoya, her reaction was natural. She had been stood up at the altar and she saw her fiance in bed with another woman! A sight which would make most people emotionally distraught! While she was aware of Tanveers machinations, she also had immense trust in Mr. Khan. She does not know at the moment that he is as much a victim as her. To her it seemed that Asad had given in to Tannus seduction ploys on the night of their nikah. She will listen to him, I think, once things have cooled.

You are right - Ajmer is place where the healing shall begin.

The last two episodes- I was constantly reminded of the BNHH dance sequence. We are at the moment, when the first lightening strike has occurred and Asad and Zoya have their backs to each other. Zoya turns and whispers something in Asads ear - think this would mean that while she has turned her back on to Asad for the time being, she will hear him out and will support him.

Pri and I have been discussing a lot about this and while she doesnt agree with me and has some convincing arguments for her point, I think they may be following the original synopsis.

Zoyaan might happen - probably be fake. Ayaan may also fall for her...

I must say that previously I used to cringe at that plot. However, seeing how beautifully the writers have written the show so far, I am actually excited to watch the show- no matter how they take it.



Thanks harini. Hope you are doing well. I agree, why do these serials glorify vamps and villains? I feel most people want positivity on the shows but the PH seem to think otherwise.

I would love if Rashid can redeem himself by helping Asad through this crisis- not fall for Billi's trap. This would be a turning point in their relationship. I agree, we have to brace ourselves for all the twists and turns in this show...the end game is always going to be asya
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -CreativeSoul-

I truly 100% agree with you especially the last point you made at this point marriage really isn't the answer the trust support and friendship is and I would also prefer seeing that develop at this stage of the story.


My only concern is how they choose to treat Zoya's character now l
What you said here is true
If I know Zoya's character well, once she cools off, she will hopefully give Asad a chance to explain the details of that eventful night. She needs to realize that Asad needs her more than ever. This is not only a test of their love, but a test of their trust in each other- mohabbat aur yakeen. Ayesha bi's taveez will hopefully help them both through this crisis.
but the question then becomes is that we may think we know Zoya's character which we probably do know but is CV going to treat it right? so now the only thing i await is for Zoya to cool down and see what she decides because I know if she is on his side nothing and i mean nothing can stop things from getting better. Together they will eventually sort things out.
I also am really interested in the father son relationship now I kind of wish that Rashid now comes and talks to his son and tires to tell him that he needs to be strong so he does not end up like he did and hopefully this time Asad in his low time will actually listen to him. I am hoping in the future Rashid Ahmad Khan's both families unit and kick but!😆


Thanks creativesoul. I agree, if AsYa are a united front, no one (even kismat as Asad had said) can come between them...perhaps that's why that statement was made as a foreshadowing event

I would love to see rashid redeem himself by helping asad through this crisis...he would understand his predicament better than anyone else
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi Sangeeta, thanks for posting really was looking for one today specially..
Nice observation, Asad couldn't meet his eyes with anyone but Rashid? I really hope Rashid at last help him. I will forgive him thinking he didn't have dad to do that to him when he was in same shoes..
I really don't think Zoya's reaction was anything but real, remember how he started explaining, I thought you are there.. Sorry but that is a line of weak man who didn't have self control, it implied he did it and no matter what she knew about threat..
And yes its not about he did it right now, its if believes he did it?? And no Asad doesn't deserve this, he is paying heavy price for his own beliefs and blind trust.
Its heartbreaking to see them suffer, the only thing missing between them was probably trust from his side, Tanveer who believed to be catalyst in their relationship, how did she bring that with it? She gave a big slap to something called friendship.
Razia's role in it, I didn't see it but liked how you put it..
Wonder if he had confessed his love, would have made some difference in Zoya trusting him, fight for him..
I hope they don't miss, Zoya got call from someone and she realize something and ran, and came all broken. Obviously if not anything her phone record can prove when she opens up..
And Tanveer, can she blame Asad for rape? Zoya wont believe after she is back in sense, and then will demand proof. Wouldn't her pregnancy will be revealed? If they say it was mutual, wouldn't all fingers points at her again?
I am really not sure where they can go with this, only thing make sense is she kills Zoya here and broken Asad accept her? But that will never happen, so she has to be revealed.
Also if she is around, there is redemption of Asad. Without it how can he marry? So this whole marriage think with her around really doesn't make any sense..
The whole episode was very nicely written but her coming back with Tanveer killed so much essence from it. Why did they do that, to show her smirk and BG billi music😡 He let completely shattered and broken Zoya, go alone, didn't run after her but had audacity to come back with her after all. I wish they didn't show that..
Cant wait to see some reaction from Dilshaad as mom now who trust her own upbringing over anything everything, saw one of woman who suffered same fate but she cant believe her son can do it...
It was stellar performance from both today, just made the whole episode even with such content, worth absolute watch..
I am counting days for you to be back full time...
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Hi Vineeta. Thanks for your wonderful comments as always. I cringed when i saw asad returning home with tanu! tanu has the audacity to walk in with her head up!!!! I think he was too confused and still in a daze to run after Zoya. I think on Monday, it will hit him harder. He will realize what happened. Let's see what explanation tanveer has to give to everyone. Dilshaad needs to kick her out but will asad do that???
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: farha15

Ksg and surrbhi were bang on with such powerful emotions they emoted flawlessly .it is heart breaking to see Asad and Zoya suffer .Asads blind trust has led him to lose his self respect,honour and he is on the verge of losing his love Zoya.did Asad deserve this ans is a Big NO .does Zoya deserve this ans is NO.does AsYa lovers deserve this Noo.cvs 😡😡 are idiots.yes you are right di marriage is not a solution now.Tanveer needs to be exposed and she needs to have a cruel fate how can she have a heart to betray and sexually assault Asad.tanveer is a daag in the name of friendship.i want after ajmer the truth comes out and tanveer is out of QH for ever.Sangeeetha di awesome analysis.


thanks farha...agree with all your points but it looks like tanu is here to stay😕 I bet she will make the pregnancy a big issue with asad. This could create another rift between asya unless Zoya helps expose tanu's lies about pregnancy dates. Tanu could always bribe the doctors😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi Sangi,

So good to see you back...are you back here in US? Great post!

It has been really a roller-coaster ride for the past couple of episodes...I would like to point out couple of points...as you mentioned that Asad needs Zoya's forgiveness and support ? But Sangi...you have to understand what this woman has gone through...the fact is she was abandoned...betrayed...left stranded at the alter...she visualized them in a bed half naked not in park...right and to top it off he walked in with the bitch slapping her on her face...it was a direct insult. Forget about forgiving ...she should be far away from him right now. She is allowed to be angry and in emotional distress...she is allowed to lash out at it. He has to earn her trust back right now...he needs to realize her value right now.

Zoya this time needs to give him an ultimatum...whether its her or his Tannu...she should make it clear that she will not return till Tannu moves out of their lives.

Now, the point you made about a plausible Asad and Billo engagement or marriage track...honestly, Mrs Gul Khan has tried to portray the much talked about scene as SEDUCTION...but it was undeniably RAPE. Does it matter whether its a woman or a man ? NO. It doesn't. Rape is a crime...the rapist shout be prosecuted and should be behind bars. Reports... data shows that most rapes are committed by the people the victim knows.

In QH Billo is a dear friend of Asad whom he trusts and respect...but instead what did she do...she drugged him and raped him. Now, the question is not whether they did it or not...the real problem here is they showed it as Seduction.

I have seen many posts with a concern that Gul might try to enforce a marriage b/w Asad and Billo or even an engagement. Now here is what is very important ...THE MESSAGE...A VICTIM should not MARRY the RAPIST under any circumstances...rape victims undergo PTSD ...they need counseling...a huge support system...lots of assurance...but the last thing they need is guilt ...the thought that in anyway they were responsible for the horrendous crime...and they definitely cannot be coerced into marrying their RAPIST to save their honor. This is not medieval or prehistoric era...this is the 21st century where there is a rape happening in every second.

With the growing rape cases in India this will be a wrong message for Mrs Khan to portray if she thinks of pursuing any kind of relationship between Asad and Billo.

Billo is a RAPIST and so if this happens there will be complains...petitions from everywhere. If I were Gul I wouldn't take that route.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

Hi Sangi,


So good to see you back...are you back here in US? Great post!

It has been really a roller-coaster ride for the past couple of episodes...I would like to point out couple of points...as you mentioned that Asad needs Zoya's forgiveness and support ? But Sangi...you have to understand what this woman has gone through...the fact is she was abandoned...betrayed...left stranded at the alter...she visualized them in a bed half naked not in park...right and to top it off he walked in with the bitch slapping her on her face...it was a direct insult. Forget about forgiving ...she should be far away from him right now. She is allowed to be angry and in emotional distress...she is allowed to lash out at it. He has to earn her trust back right now...he needs to realize her value right now.

Zoya this time needs to give him an ultimatum...whether its her or his Tannu...she should make it clear that she will not return till Tannu moves out of their lives.

Now, the point you made about a plausible Asad and Billo engagement or marriage track...honestly,Mrs Gul Khan has tried to portray the much talked about scene as SEDUCTION...but it was undeniably RAPE. Does it matter whether its a woman or a man ? NO. It doesn't. Rape is a crime...the rapist shout be prosecuted and should be behind bars. Reports... data shows that most rapes are committed by the people the victim knows.

In QH Billo is a dear friend of Asad whom he trusts and respect...but instead what did she do...she drugged him and raped him. Now, the question is not whether they did it or not...the real problem here is they showed it as Seduction.

I have seen many posts with a concern that Gul might try to enforce a marriage b/w Asad and Billo or even an engagement. Now here is what is very important ...THE MESSAGE...A VICTIM should not MARRY the RAPIST under any circumstances...rape victims undergo PTSD ...they need counseling...a huge support system...lots of assurance...but the last thing they need is guilt ...the thought that in anyway they were responsible for the horrendous crime...and they definitely cannot be coerced into marrying their RAPIST to save their honor. This is not medieval or prehistoric era...this is the 21st century where there is a rape happening in every second.

With the growing rape cases in India this will be a wrong message for Mrs Khan to portray if she thinks of pursuing any kind of relationship between Asad and Billo.

Billo is a RAPIST and so if this happens there will be complains...petitions from everywhere. If I were Gul I wouldn't take that route.

mutual feelings... And everyone is justified...little did they know that Asad was raped.. No, they all jumped into conclusion that it was mutual or tanu staged it to be so... And now when zoya comes out of that shock and when she knows that Asad was a victim, then she will be the first person to embrace him... No doubts...and I am damn sure that Gul will never make jammy n tanu together again... Remember Mariam incident, asad's reaction when he came to know that his cousin was raped. It's all connected...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Npdeepa

mutual feelings... And everyone is justified...little did they know that Asad was raped.. No, they all jumped into conclusion that it was mutual or tanu staged it to be so... And now when zoya comes out of that shock and when she knows that Asad was a victim, then she will be the first person to embrace him... No doubts...and I am damn sure that Gul will never make jammy n tanu together again... Remember Mariam incident, asad's reaction when he came to know that his cousin was raped. It's all connected...

Zoya needs time and I hope Gul stops this jammy Tanu crap right here because now she is playing with fire...no way will any sequence where a victim marries a rapist out of guilt will be accepted...I am an active forum32 member and there is an uproar there...if gul pursues this she might as well prepare to shutdown QH.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Oh my God, you are BACK!!! Yuppie
Trust me Di, it feels sooo good to read your take and comments about yesterday's episode. It was so much needed, well at least for me.
Of course, everyone has their own POV but yours does mean a lot to me, which is why I even stalked you with a PM (sorry for that) 😕

Anyway, coming back to the episode.
Marriage is not the answer. Unconditional support, trust and friendship is the first step towards this healing process. Marriage at this stage will just be a quick fix bandaid underneath which the wounds would still be open and painful.

I absolutely agree with you on this one. Right now, indeed marriage is not the answer. You have said everything so perfectly. Both, Asad and Zoya, are going through a terrible time now. Don't even know which one is worse, in fact both situations are equally bad.
In some other post, I had also commented that I hope the CV's won't forget what kind of girl Zoya is. She is modern yet traditional, she is intelligent and smart. Yes, the poor girl is devastated now and probably not in the right state of mind to think properly but hopefully, like you said, she will calm down and think over the whole situation once again. If she is really that smart, then she will use her brains and put two and two together since she knows what kind of evil plans Tanveer has.

Asad Ahmed Khan, the lion, is probably in the worst stage of his life. Ek chatke mein, he has lost everything: trust from his family, his dignity and most importantly Zoya's love and trust. My heart really goes out to him as well. He is being trapped in a very nasty situation. He is standing in the middle of a crossroad not knowing where to go, which road/path to take: Ammi's pride, his own dignity and self respect or Zoya's love and trust. At the moment, he can only choose one and that is probably to make Zoya understand that all of this is not true at all. He has to pacify her, gain her trust back in order to bring his own dignity back and again to become his Ammi's pride.
That is what this situation needs right now: Zoya's trust in Asad for believing him that nothing as such happened between him and Tanveer. Asad trust in Zoya to believe her that Tanveer is indeed playing her dirty games and for both to fully support each other to get rid of this Tanveer and to fight against all odds.
Only then, the nikaah will make sense...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

Zoya needs time and I hope Gul stops this jammy Tanu crap right here because now she is playing with fire...no way will any sequence where a victim marries a rapist out of guilt will be accepted...I am an active forum32 member and there is an uproar there...if gul pursues this she might as well prepare to shutdown QH.


sorry to intrude...but i could not help but comment...i agree with you 1000% and you make a great point! forcing asad billi down our throats right now will be the worst thing Gul can do. Asad is a victim...he has been betrayed, used, and played with and he deserves to know the truth at this point. I strongly feel that Ajmer will do this for him and end up uniting AsYa. Ajmer will be more for Asad than for Zoya in my opinion. It will finally give him justice...justice for being manipulated and deceived again and again. We have always said that something big has to happen for Asad to find out about Billi and while a mangalpur 2 might show Asad how Billi is hurting Zoya...and incident like this was I guess needed to show Asad how much he has been cheated.

Zoya knowing Billi's truth and how she wants Asad only for money is a big point as well. She stood up for Mariam and she even risked her life for it. Even though she is heart broken now, I doubt she will ever let Asad get engaged to Billi. She knows Billi's true intentions and it will be totally out of her character to not stand up for Asad and his family. Had Billi told Zoya she loves Asad it would have been different but Zoya knows Billi's truth.


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