We weren't paid to pick 'Barfi'

First Previous

Page

Next Last

Frequent Posters

Neeta

@U-No-Poo

Stunner

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#191

Originally posted by: AreYaar
Excerpt from Basu's latest interview where he talks about the plagiarism allegations:

Anu where did you get this interview from? Can I get the link?

I'm glad he finally faced the questions head on. So the nail scene allegation fell flat on it's face 😆 Lagta hai Barfi ko investigate karte karte bechare Japanese ko bhi badnaam hona padega 😆 I'm still a bit skeptical about the mother-daughter scene but I'm happy he isn't turning his back on it anymore.

And his statement about not being able to do chori is quite right. People spot it instantly, so there's no chance that he wouldn't have expected this.

Quote

791198

Suspended

Posted: 13 years ago

#192

Originally posted by: blue-ice

My point is that...if we are going to be fair and honest and shun cheating...its all good...but then lets not talk about Irfan Khan's known face as A criterion for sending the movie for Oscars...how will that be fair to a lesser known movie from ...lets say Bulgaria...Lets just say that PST is a better movie than Barfi...thats why it should be sent...I don't agree with it but still since movies are subjective...I will accept ur reasoning...but I don't accept ur known face logic...along with all the talk of honesty and ethics and morals...whether u try to impress a judge by a few plagiarsed scenes in the movie...or by using a known face...its the same..they both r the same...they both are cheating..the judges should be only be impressed by by the good quality of the movie...

How is one personality being more well known over another cheating?! Where is this idea of cheating even coming from? Plagiarism is wrong, recommendations are not. This is the universal truth...or the American truth anyway which is where the Oscars are held. When you want to get into a good college here in the US, every student is required to send in recommendation letters...more than one as a matter of fact. Those with good recommendations have a higher chances of getting into a college than those with bad/no recommendations. Sure, grades and other stuff matter too, but a good word from a teacher/professor's mouth holds a lot of weight and is a huge deal breaker in many cases. Ask any admission counselor. This is an open truth. So think of Irrfan as the candidate with a good recommendation letter (a good one because of his past achievements) and Anurag as one with a bad recommendation letter (because of the plagiarism...well...hello... plagiarism is frowned upon in the US). Perfectly valid analogy this time since both recommendation letters and movies are subjective, not objective. Recommendation letters are the norm in US so the question of unfairness and deceit does not even arise. It is simply a case of when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

AGAIN...let me reiterate. I said AND (AND implying that Irrfan's presence in PST is a secondary asset not a primary one) Irfan is a known face (which boosts PST's chances just like good recommendation letters boost a student's chances at getting into a good graduate program). If the latter is widely accepted and practiced here, then I don't see how the former scenario is cheating. There is no cheating. Its simply one more advantage that PST has over Barfi just as a student's good recommendation letter is one more advantage he has over a student with a bad recommendation letter when applying to colleges.

Lastly, not sure why you are hell bent on stretching a secondary point especially when the truth is critics have praised PST almost unanimously. PST is already a good film AND Irrfan's presence boosts it. The latter being a secondary asset. At this point, you're indulging people in a Straw Man argument just to prove your point. I have already explained and reiterated my point more than once, I can't be bothered going around in circles anymore. So I am out.

Edited by Dexterkilaila - 13 years ago

Quote

Looks like you are new here. Register for free, learn and contribute.

gilmores

@gilmores

Stunner

+ 8

Posted: 13 years ago

#193

Originally posted by: U-No-Poo

Anu where did you get this interview from? Can I get the link?

I'm glad he finally faced the questions head on. So the nail scene allegation fell flat on it's face 😆 Lagta hai Barfi ko investigate karte karte bechare Japanese ko bhi badnaam hona padega 😆 I'm still a bit skeptical about the mother-daughter scene but I'm happy he isn't turning his back on it anymore.

And his statement about not being able to do chori is quite right. People spot it instantly, so there's no chance that he wouldn't have expected this.

Neetz, here..it's posted in Barfi Review Thread :)

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/-i-m-yet-to-find-my-voice-/1008326/0

Quote

pakeezah

@pakeezah

Inactive

Posted: 13 years ago

#194

Last evening Anurag did a live tv interview with Rahul Kanwal Headlines Today channel

and Dilip Cherian Management Guru PR man. I liked it. While not happy about having

these charges levelled at him, Basu was gracious and tried to clarify best as he could.

What i liked was the absence of negativity coming from all three people. Normally the

interviewer goes all aggressive and nasty and the opposing member to Basu

Cherian also was so circumspect and mild.Rahul Kanwal is the sweetest.

Basu said the cigarette ads also played a part in cutting out the line which he had put in

acknowledging the other films as sources of inspiration. because the movie was already

longer than they wanted and he was having to cut scenes out. But when he presented

UTV the uncut version the acknowledgement was there at the beginningof the movie.

If only they had left it there.

Headlines Today entertainment channel is baloney and you can tell that host Denzil

has his own agenda while giving news stories he promotes certain people like mad

and disses others. NDTVs Night out entertainment section is the best. so nice and

wholesome and funny.

Quote

blue-ice.

@blue-ice.

Achiever

+ 4

Posted: 13 years ago

#195

Just came back after watching Barfi...what an extraordinary movie...everything was just perfect...the characters of Ranbir and Priyanka were so adorable...Priyanka has done the best work of her life in this...I don't know why some are saying that she overacted...she was just perfect...no overacting nothing...Ileana was also good and very beautiful...This movie deserves all possible awards...especially ranbir, priyanka and Anuraag basu...and the scenes that are being accused of being copied could have been easily deleted...they basically add nothing to the movie...other than some comic relief...even if those 5 minutes of copied scenes were not there...the soul of the movie would still be the same...This is possibly one of the best movies HW and BW...that I have ever watched...

Quote

TheRager

@TheRager

Achiever

+ 4

Posted: 13 years ago

#196

Instead of Barfi! why was 'Paan Singh Tomar' not to the Oscars?

September 30th, 2012 by Mohar Basu

Comments ( 0 )

Ranbir Kapoor and Priyanka Chopra in Barfi! Movie Stills

"Barfi" was announced as India's Official Entry to the Oscars recently, and that sparked of a heated debate. In every sense of the word, "Barfi" is indeed a beautiful film. It could make one choke up and still ensures that the smile just wouldn't swipe of your face. "Barfi" was enjoyable, pleasurable and pristine – all at the same time. The film is having a fine rate of repeat audience and has been raking up huge moolah at the box-office.

But was it a good choice to be sent as a nomination for the Oscars? That will be a stern No. We give the film all its due credit, but the film fails to qualify the basic criteria of being Indian in essence. The film might not have been a product of plagiarism but it has heavily borrowed from various Hollywood films; which have inspired its conception and creation. The film despite having a great script and mesmerizing performances is not representative of Indian culture, ethnicity or Indian realities in any way.

"Paan Singh Tomar" on the other hand was relatively non publicized film. This film created ripples at a multitude of international film festival, including the London Film Festival and stars one of India's Finest Actors, Irrfan Khan. This film holds evidence to the competent direction of Tigmanshu Dhulia, who has worked under veterans like Shekhar Kapur in "Bandit Queen". Most critics lauded this film as a sheer little masterpiece. The pivotal reason why "Paan Sigh Tomar" should have been chosen over "Barfi" is essentially because of the Indian-ness quotient in it. The film very meticulously paints a picture of Indian realities, which most belonging to the 'Mc-Donaldized' India seem to overlook.

The film was biopic which tells the story of a medal bringing athlete who turned into a dreaded dacoit and throws light on the circumstances which led to it. The life of the real Paan Singh Tomar is tragic and curious, mostly interesting. The film very carefully blends tragedy, humor and drama to create an exquisite piece. Not to mention, Irrfan Khan's compelling acting gives the film its added sheen. Biopics are stereotyped as boring cinema. And "Paan Singh Tomar" shatters the boundaries of cinematic genres by creating an enthralling film which will touch the hearts of each of its viewers and definitely not boring!

Paan Singh Tomar Movie Stills

Reputed magazines and dailies including The New York Times, could not stop singing praises of Irrfan Khan's performance, stating that he gave the film a romanticizing factor and yet maintaining the honesty and the depth of the film.

It is a shock that the Jury at the Film Federation of India could ignore a film of this stature. The film has fulfills every parameter of being selected as India's official entry for the Oscars, rather it was better suited. This makes us question FFI's sense of judgment and knowledge of real cinema. Is there power play involved? Or they simply rewarded a film with a greater publicity quotient? Choosing "Barfi" over "Paan Singh Tomar" was an indignant decision, to say the least! It is a sheer insult to perhaps one of the most brilliant creations of Indian Cinema. This skillful narrative has the ability to rise against every odd, and we perhaps failed to give India a solid chance at getting home an Oscar!

http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/instead-of-barfi-why-was-%e2%80%98paan-singh-tomar%e2%80%99-not-to-the-oscars/

Quote

ViccoTurmeric

@ViccoTurmeric

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 13 years ago

#197

^^^ I didn't like PST that much so wouldn't say anything!!

Quote

shruti

@-Nymphadora-

Stunner

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#198

i think its a case of sour grapes...no offence!

this happens every year for the oscars...

i went to Barfi and LOVED it...its a beautiful movie...yes there are some sequences copied...but what surprises me is that most of those sequences were shown and used for the promotion of Barfi and were aired all the time-why didnt anyone raise an objection then...?or were they just waiting for the film to do well and then create a noise about it?they were shown in the first promo itself why didnt anyone say anything then?

Barfi has some copied sequences yes,there is no doubt about that-but the story is beautiful,the potrayal of Jhilmil and Barfi is bang on...its an amazing movie and i dont think anyone or anything can lessen that as a fact,the story is what makes the film so good and not those scenes!

regarding the question to why Barfi-i have a simple answer to that Barfi as a story has a universal appeal,it can be placed anywhere in the world and it will be relevant

even someone who doesnt know Hindi well enough will be able to comprehend and understand the story...

Barfi is a beautiful film because of the story,and its characters

i dont care if Barfi isnt sent to the oscars-its touched peoples hearts and people have loved it-so done!

Quote

791198

Suspended

Posted: 13 years ago

#199

Originally posted by: -ksh-
Instead of Barfi! why was 'Paan Singh Tomar' not to the Oscars?

September 30th, 2012 by Mohar Basu

Comments ( 0 )

Ranbir Kapoor and Priyanka Chopra in Barfi! Movie Stills

"Barfi" was announced as India's Official Entry to the Oscars recently, and that sparked of a heated debate. In every sense of the word, "Barfi" is indeed a beautiful film. It could make one choke up and still ensures that the smile just wouldn't swipe of your face. "Barfi" was enjoyable, pleasurable and pristine ' all at the same time. The film is having a fine rate of repeat audience and has been raking up huge moolah at the box-office.

But was it a good choice to be sent as a nomination for the Oscars? That will be a stern No. We give the film all its due credit, but the film fails to qualify the basic criteria of being Indian in essence. The film might not have been a product of plagiarism but it has heavily borrowed from various Hollywood films; which have inspired its conception and creation. The film despite having a great script and mesmerizing performances is not representative of Indian culture, ethnicity or Indian realities in any way.

"Paan Singh Tomar" on the other hand was relatively non publicized film. This film created ripples at a multitude of international film festival, including the London Film Festival and stars one of India's Finest Actors, Irrfan Khan. This film holds evidence to the competent direction of Tigmanshu Dhulia, who has worked under veterans like Shekhar Kapur in "Bandit Queen". Most critics lauded this film as a sheer little masterpiece. The pivotal reason why "Paan Sigh Tomar" should have been chosen over "Barfi" is essentially because of the Indian-ness quotient in it. The film very meticulously paints a picture of Indian realities, which most belonging to the 'Mc-Donaldized' India seem to overlook.

The film was biopic which tells the story of a medal bringing athlete who turned into a dreaded dacoit and throws light on the circumstances which led to it. The life of the real Paan Singh Tomar is tragic and curious, mostly interesting. The film very carefully blends tragedy, humor and drama to create an exquisite piece. Not to mention, Irrfan Khan's compelling acting gives the film its added sheen. Biopics are stereotyped as boring cinema. And "Paan Singh Tomar" shatters the boundaries of cinematic genres by creating an enthralling film which will touch the hearts of each of its viewers and definitely not boring!

Paan Singh Tomar Movie Stills

Reputed magazines and dailies including The New York Times, could not stop singing praises of Irrfan Khan's performance, stating that he gave the film a romanticizing factor and yet maintaining the honesty and the depth of the film.

It is a shock that the Jury at the Film Federation of India could ignore a film of this stature. The film has fulfills every parameter of being selected as India's official entry for the Oscars, rather it was better suited. This makes us question FFI's sense of judgment and knowledge of real cinema. Is there power play involved? Or they simply rewarded a film with a greater publicity quotient? Choosing "Barfi" over "Paan Singh Tomar" was an indignant decision, to say the least! It is a sheer insult to perhaps one of the most brilliant creations of Indian Cinema. This skillful narrative has the ability to rise against every odd, and we perhaps failed to give India a solid chance at getting home an Oscar!
http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/instead-of-barfi-why-was-%e2%80%98paan-singh-tomar%e2%80%99-not-to-the-oscars/

This article basically summarizes why PST would have been a better pick. Thanks for posting, KSH. 😃

The films that have a huge impact at the festival circuit end up winning international awards. This is usually the trend. Take Slumdog Millionaire for instance. Initially, SDM was just supposed to be a DVD release sometime in 2008. Nobody expected it to be so huge. But it garnered unanimous appreciation at various international film festivals. Later, not so surprisingly, it also swept all the major international awards in 2009. So film festival approval is a major indicator of which films will be nominated and/or win. The fact that PST has been praised unanimously in various international film festivals was a good sign. Too bad, the committee failed to appreciate that and chose Barfi instead.

Edited by Dexterkilaila - 13 years ago