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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: InduG64


The only thing that bothers me in this still-grieving Arpita scenario of Yash are the pictures on the wall. A man who internalizes everything and is certainly an enigma to even his family, a man who though hated the idea yet wouldn't openly defy his parents when they gave away Arpita's kangan or allowed her name to be given to another...the same man maintains a shrine in his room. He contradicts himself here. And even if we accept that he needs this visual display for his personal peace...is it right for the girls? Even if Aarti accepts his this not so reasonable need to maintain the same decor post marriage too, how does he expect the girls to move on and accept Aarti as their mother? I mean it's one thing to differentiate between your not needing a wife and your kids needing a mother, but how will you make your girls differentiate...how do you expect them to process that their father wants them to call the new lady their mother when he still has their mom's pictures all over? This contradiction is going to be very confusing to them.😕

Just catching up after a day and a half and I am of course 20 pages behind. Very valid question indu. Yash seems like a very dignified man not into exhibitions at all. Then what are those monstrous pictures all over his room. Is he afraid he will forget Arpita? If you love someone to the point that they are irreplaceable why do you need pictures of them all over?

Another thing that struck me in the last episode was that Yash actually had a sense of humor - visible in the way he was smirking around Prateik and all his frantic antics during the first few minutes with Aarti. However he doesn't display that around his family at all. He is all in mourning around them - up until the wedding nite. Is it possible he has actually moved on from Arpita but keeps the pictures and stays morose so he doesn't forget her altogether. This also explains why he is only thinking of their positive moments - either real or fantasized ones.

The very relevant question is what is Aarti's credibility in his life if he has declared her relationship with him a non starter ?

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tarantulla_p


Aparna: He is a little more of his own real self when he is around Aarti. Even when PraDhi frolics were on, he was inclined to enjoy the moment with Aarti and not with his brother, bhabhi, and rest of the clan present. There have been a couple of times when his fun side has broken through...for instance, he was actually enjoying the bachelor night dance before the girls broke in.

As far as Aarti goes, I feel she will be fine with this set up. She will be able to coexist with Arpita and her pictures simply because it keeps her in the safe zone and for her being Yash's wife is just a role-play. She will feel the pinch the day she starts to develop feelings for Yash.

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Posted: 13 years ago
Indu, thats what I am wondering - why is he bottling up in front of his family? Has he already moved on but has not yet realised and is feeling guilty so he still meditates in front of Arpita's monstrous pictures in order to perpetuate the notion of a grieving husband? I am not suggesting he is deceiving anyone deliberately or otherwise. Just that the fact that he has as many as big pictures of Arpita all over his room seems like he is afraid he will forget her if he didnt have those.

( Btw, I cant stand the size of those. They are plain gross. No one should have those many pictures of that size of anyone - dead or alive. That is of course a different discussion)


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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tarantulla_p

Indu, thats what I am wondering - why is he bottling up in front of his family? Has he already moved on but has not yet realised and is feeling guilty so he still meditates in front of Arpita's monstrous pictures in order to perpetuate the notion of a grieving husband? I am not suggesting he is deceiving anyone deliberately or otherwise. Just that the fact that he has as many as big pictures of Arpita all over his room seems like he is afraid he will forget her if he didnt have those.

( Btw, I cant stand the size of those. They are plain gross. No one should have those many pictures of that size of anyone - dead or alive. That is of course a different discussion)



Aparna, yup, that is what is of concern: his manner of grieving and his very visible intensity of grief, given that Arpita didn't die yesterday and that it's been awhile. But then that kind of grief doesn't adhere to any time parameters, I suppose.
I have a cousin who had married his college sweetheart...they were the loveliest couple I knew, and then they had a daughter. His wife died of an illness after four years. The family convinced him to go in for a remarriage. My new bhabhi is a very mature lady. In one of her talks she told me that she never thought of redoing the house, let alone moving even a piece of furniture, because she didn't want to disorient her husband and daughter from the familiar surroundings. She maintained the house as his first wife had left. She kept a picture of his first wife in the home temple,...that's all...beyond that my brother didn't insist. It was enough for him. What I am saying is, I find this a normal scenario, where both parties adjusted to move on.

I hope Yash soon realizes that such an overt display of those monstrous pictures, as you so rightly put it, is unfair on the new occupant of the room, and that it's not doing his sense of righteousness any good.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: AngelDark




Yes she might be alive. I also have this crazy feeling/idea that she might be living with Prashant!!!!😲


I have a feeling that Arpita had some psychiatric problems or maybe she is still somewhere being treated but hardly remembers her kids or husband. Yash may have been told she is not alive. Maybe she witnessed something gruesome so lost her mental balance and is in shock.
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Posted: 13 years ago
Indu, What a beautiful story. I hope your cousin and his new wife are happy.

I agree, its doesnt gel at all. My husband lost his dad very suddenly(after a sudden diagnosis of kidney failure) when he was quite young and that certainly had a huge impact on him. He was withdrawn for a few years and still doesnt bond very well with his Dad's brothers - remind him too much of his own dad. Now, we only have one picture of my FIL in a discreet place in the house. I know he misses him but he rarely needs to look at the picture.

Yash looks like a lonely man, not a grieving man. He certainly misses Arpita and looks like he has beautiful memories of them together. He may not want another wife but here is where it sort of breaks down. He has never hesitated to touch Aarti or be close to her : all the times he has rescued her, it was a very conscious decision for him. Even the Bachelor party incident where he carried her all the way (probably my favorite scene so far) was in a way of establishing her to be his. This is so opposite of anyone who has no interest in Aarti as a wife.

It all points to this - he has moved on, just hasnt admitted it to himself.

Another possibility is that they never found Arpita's body, etc so he has not had closure and subconsciously is holding out for the possibility she could come back and therefore has set up this shrine for her so she'd know he always thought of her even when she was not around. So she would have the proof of how devoted he was to her.

Signing off for the night...happy mental health everyone 😉

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: saloni111


I have a feeling that Arpita had some psychiatric problems or maybe she is still somewhere being treated but hardly remembers her kids or husband. Yash may have been told she is not alive. Maybe she witnessed something gruesome so lost her mental balance and is in shock.



Saloni: Your take reminded me of a movie, Basera. In the movie, the first wife loses her mental balance on learning of her younger sister's husband's death soon after the marriage. She is sent to an asylum and the family is told that her condition is not curable. The husband subsequently marries the younger sister because of his little son. Eventually, they fall in love and lead a happy married life, even have a kid of their own. In this happy setting, the first wife escapes from the asylum and returns home. Knowing her mental condition, the family reverts to the original set-up. The second wife dons a white saree and moves out of the bedroom...rest of the movie is about the trauma the now-married couple goes through due to the first wife's return.

But, here, I think Arpita is dead...The CVs have projected this as a different love story and not some thriller.
Edited by InduG64 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: InduG64



Saloni: Your take reminded me of a movie, Basera. In the movie, the first wife loses her mental balance on learning of her younger sister's husband's death soon after the marriage. She is sent to an asylum and the family is told that her condition is not curable. The husband subsequently marries the younger sister because of his little son. Eventually, they fall in love and lead a happy married life, even have a kid of their own. In this happy setting, the first wife escapes from the asylum and returns home. Knowing her mental condition, the family reverts to the original set-up. The second wife dons a white saree and moves out of the bedroom...rest of the movie is about the trauma the now-married couple goes through due to the first wife's return.

But, here, I think Arpita is dead...The CVs have projected this as a different love story and not some thriller.



Ok ...But if Arpita is not alive...I feel her death was not natural.
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Posted: 13 years ago
This DC is so soona soona today! I tried to get on earlier and leave some thoughts but I was swamped by physics from all sides and I finally found some breathing room after submitting the assignment at midnight!

Anyways, Aparna and Indu very interesting discussion, in fact the whole analysis on the Arpita/Yash relationship is intriguing because there are just so many possibilities to it. There isn't much left to imagination with the Aarti/Prashant relationship because we know exactly how that ended, and everything else before that doesn't even matter because to us and even to Aarti it's all overshadowed by that last memory of him walking away from her life without looking back. The happiness she might have found with him all accounts to nothing because the end product was her heart being shattered into a million pieces by him, and that was how that relationship wrapped up.

But Arpita/Yash are a whole different story, we only know two things about that relationship, one that it ended with her dying, and two that Yash was obsessively in love with her. And both these pieces of information are either biased or incomplete. I say biased because so far we have only seen Arpita through Yash's eyes, and there she personifies perfection, which we know is not possible. But at the same time we can't blame Yash for the image of Arpita he carries with her because once someone who was extremely close to you passes away, you only want to remember the good times you spent with them and that's exactly what Yash is doing. Also it is after a person's death that some of those things that we found annoying about them start becoming endearing, and we learn a new appreciation for them just because it was associated with them (if that makes any sense)! So for Yash, whose entire world revolved around Arpita there is absolutely nothing negative to remember, because it seems in most of their flashbacks that he looked at her with constant awe like she was perfection personified, and this could have been another reason for an internal conflict in Arpita. When a person has such high regard for you, doesn't think you can do anything wrong, it's very difficult to uphold that image, and I think that is what Arpita kept trying to do. She knew that Yash's happiness lied in that version of her and so she went out of the way to be that person for him, giving in to his whims even though she wasn't exactly comfortable about them, ironing his shirts despite them being already ironed, she bore it all with a smile, because that is what Yash had come to expect of her and that's why she continued to rise in his eyes day in and day out. And I think because of this she felt like she was constantly losing herself, she was the perfect wife and bahu, but her identify, who was she really was, was being sacrificed in the process! So while she kept that smile on for the rest of the world, and I have no doubt that she was happy to some extent even if this was the case, there was a part of her that probably felt smothered and could possible have been one of the reasons for her untimely demise.

This also kind of supports Samana's point of view where she said that they were still in their honeymoon phase when Arpita died, and this is true literally and figuratively, as we saw in one of those flashbacks that Yash took them both on their second honeymoon to celebrate their first anniversary. Yash was still viewing their relationship with rose tinted glasses, where everything was all rainbows and butterflies, and for him that probably was the case. But a woman can only live in the honeymoon phase for so long before having to come to reality, especially if you were married in the Scindia family. Her role as a bahu and that too as an adarsh bahu forced her to face reality much earlier than Yash. Also, this shows that the word compromise might not have entered the dictionary of their marriage because compromise happens when a marriage truly stabilizes, when the honeymoon phase is over and both people start becoming more aware of the flaws and shortcomings of the other person that's when they learn to work together, to compromise with each other to build a relationship that equally favors both partners, but from what we have seen so far Yash never knew what that really meant, I mean getting his way with the dress, with the bed side, I know these are all small things, but they might be an indication of something bigger, and since we won't be seeing the entire Yash/Arpita relationship, some conclusions needs to come out of these small moments that we have seen them share!

And so this is where the true irony sets in. The Scindia's who in a figurative sense ripped Arpita from her true identity, her true self, were trying to enforce that identity on Aarti. They claim that by giving her their deceased bahu's name she will be able to take her place in that house, but the truth of that matter is there really is no identity left behind that name, and then in a way are responsible for them. If Arpita was truly the woman her mother described her to be, open minded, standing up for whatever was right, there is NO way she would have been considered an adarsh bahu of the house like she is often did, the Scindia's would have never accepted that side of her. So Arpita's true self was somewhere within the walls of the Scindia mansion so that only the name remained, not the vivacious girl behind it. And now they're trying to force that name on Aarti, a name that has absolutely nothing left to it, and we KNOW that Aarti won't take that name, that she is going to be one who is going to create her own identity in the house, even if that meant breaking every path and tradition created by the orthodox mentality of the family. She is going to be doing the complete opposite of what Arpita did and even though it might cause her problems in the beginning, it is this very thing that will win Yash's heart in the end.

So while Arpita tried so hard to be someone she wasn't to please Yash, Aarti will stay true to herself. She doesn't have anyone to please, not really, Yash has told her that he is not looking for a wife in her, she is just to be the mother to his children, and so she has no reason to try to be a good wife, that's not what she's there for. And when you have no intention to appease someone, that's when your true self shines. Aarti will be completely transparent in front of Yash, there will no facade, no cover up, just 100% pure Aarti, and it's going to be this honesty of her character that will enrapture Yash and keep pulling him towards her. She's going to keep it real, so when Yash ends up falling for her, it will be just for who she is and nothing else- this is something he was never able to accomplish in his relationship with Arpita, he was never able to see her for who she is and herein lies one of the main difference. And when falling in love with the person just the way they are, that is ultimately the definition of what true love is all about, knowing every flaw, yet loving it all, and this is exactly the kind of love AarYa will be all about!

Another aspect that will set AarYa apart from Yash/Arpita is that their relationship is going to start off with a string of compromises and will walk its way in the opposite direction to reach their honeymoon stage! AarYa will have seen the good, the bad and the ugly of their relationship by the time they find their happiness within each other. The state in which they find themselves entering this marriage, with no expectations from each other, they are going to have to strike a friendship first, and with that their level of comfort, understanding and trust on each other will increase so that there will come a point where they're going to know each other better than anyone has ever known them. Their first relationships were more about physicality so it's possible that they never got to share their true selves there, especially in Aarti's case, so here they will get that chance, and this mutual understanding and respect is what's going to the most important catalyst of their love story, making it one that will end up being able to weather any storm.

I think the physical relationship aspect of their relationship is actually the least of their worries, now that there are no more misunderstandings left in Aarti's mind, it shows that these two are in a mature relationship, one in which physical contact is no big deal. So far we have seen that Yash has no problem initiating physical contact with Aarti if the situation calls for it, or even when it doesn't, like putting his hand on top of hers to stop her from removing the kangan, he could have told her using words that he was asking for the keys, but he's more comfortable portraying his thoughts through his actions, so touches and physical proximity won't be a taboo for these two as it usually is in a lot of Indian shows, in fact we'll be seeing more communication through actions rather than through words, at least initially! And now that the trust factor has been established, Aarti has no problem with it as well. The very first scene of Friday's episode spoke volumes about that. When Yash gets hurt and Aarti instinctively grabs his hand apologizing, Yash is left stunned, and when Aarti realizes what she is doing, she doesn't drop his hand like a hot potato (like I was thinking she might do). No, they both had a whole moment, at least a couple seconds worth of eye contact before she slowly extracts her hand away, and even though there is a slight awkwardness after that, she doesn't hesitate to meet his eyes as she said sorry once again, and Yash reciprocates by looking straight at her and saying It's okay. The spark is already there between them, and they feel it every time they touch, I mean the mesmerizing looks speak volumes, and shows us everything that they don't want to see. But right now both of them feel safe in the security net of their exes, thinking that it will prevent any emotional attachment, but we all know that this wall of theirs is nothing short of a fluke, with everything working in their favor, to bring them together, they can only cling on to the past for so long, and it is when the past stops becoming strong enough an anchor to keep them grounded to their old memories, that's when everything is going to start to change!

Honestly, if you have managed to read all the way through, give yourself a pat on the back from me because that is truly an accomplishment. I have put in all my jumbled thoughts that I have had about the Yash/Arpita relationship for a while here, and I am sure most of it probably doesn't make much sense, but I needed to get it out there. Marbles have completely been lost for the day, so I sincerely apologize in advance if anyone got a major headache trying to get through this!
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Posted: 13 years ago

@Maham:Wow you've compared the two relationships quite a bit exhaustively. Yash/Arpita and Yash/Aarti, the past and the present and therefore a time will have to come when the past has stopped and it cannot permeate into the present. The present reality will be the only reality left When Yash decides between the past and present and the future!

That's what I got after reading that passage from you😃

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