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Posted: 12 years ago
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Purely explained When sati asked why don't they enjoy bliss of shiv normally .
He accepted that he,who is responsible for Bringing jeeva under cosmic drama ...
 Bondage of jeeva is due to limited knowledge. I have Swatantra Shakti of bringing into being in the cosmic drama. Through my Mahamaya shakti jeeva assume limited knowledge & forms, thus beginning the word Drama. The process of evolution begins with the play of life & mind.   
What is the need for him to play with jeevas ...why he has created the universe ..if jeevas and shiv are like I and Shiv ,why it takes this much time to realize 

For example in Bhagavat gita god states the same answer ,during dilution in samsara only a atma ask himself who is he/she in real ? only after that, those who aspire to defeat maya will automatically guided by me .
is that the case, if we take life of MAntra(Remember the maid servent of Queen KAikayei in Ramayana ) who later ask forgiveness to LOrd ram ,her life is continued as a Scent seller in streets of MAthura and got blessed when Krishna arrived. After that too  her  life continues as Jana BAi in PAnderpur of Maharastra in Kaliyug during 15 cent A.D as a maid com Bakht in NAma dev's House .She is rescued by lord from Kings Punishment and got blessed ...not said still she is  liberated  or not ...

If a person like her  keep on encountering with LOrd in all  her births takes this much time  to get Liberated, then what will happen to normal humans .?...
Attaining NirVikalpa Samadhi is not that much easy  ,it needs several births associated with Yogic practice too na...
so karma deleting is slow process according to human time ...which is speed upped  by Kriya Yoga ...Which having capacity of reducing 10 Lakh original births of all atmas ..in few no of birth s ...but how it is possible for all humans .?...

I have also a doubt regarding  repeatability of ...Yuga cycles ,we are in kali yuga in future the Satya,Treda, Dwarapara yuga 's may proceed after this .
From this we can say before this cycle too there may be a kali yug existed and got vanished .,so in that yug people are well developed in all technology like us ah ? so all these  dramas of  yug cycles are experienced by the very Earth we are residing ah? ,or For every Satur Yug it will take different solar systems similar to our's  for its process...

Sorry for boring u with my questions, because cant understand Sanskrit fully so i am asking learned people like u ๐Ÿ˜Š
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Vanadhi,

This is the Trika system. It signifys 3 things, Shiv, Shakti & their Dynamic relation- Shiv-Shakti. It takes the form of 1) pure awareness such as Shiv, 2) it's menifestation & reflection in all experienced phenomena as Shakti, 3) it's self recognition in & as those phenaomena- Shiv-Shakti. It is based on non-duality.
 
It explains how a soul can attain the stage beyond liberation through 3 Upayas. It is not an easy philosophy but it's very interesting if one attempts to understand it.

  

 

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Originally posted by: vanadhi

Edited Minakshi ๐Ÿ˜›

Shiv is explaining, that every jeeva takes birth, performs karmas under the influence of maya, which is dominant over his buddhi. He creates bondages as per his thoughts. All this happens because the jeeva is an seperate being. His thinks what is eyes sees, what his mind thinks only that is the world, he limits himself, thus creating more & more bondages. This game goes on for many lives, till he thinks now it's time to change his life, his karmic cycle. Then he seeks paths to nullyfy his karmas. This process many go on for some lives. When he has created enough karmas for his new destination, he gets help in the form of Guru or the Universal consciousness creats various opportunities for his proggress, where he step by step gets ready & gets liberated, become jeevan mukta in his present body.
Anupaya means without trying hard the jeeva attains Universal consciousness, which is very very rare. Such people are so much tuned to the universal consciusness that just by hearing God's name they go in the state of Samadhi, they are so happyly connected to the Universal consciousness that they are hardly interested in coming out of that state. at one pt that jeeva realises Shiva & continues remaining that way. He then sees entire Universe as the play of various Shakti's. He is actually experiencing the Shiv-Shakti Union & their play in the Universe.
Shambhavopaya is attaining the above mentioned state with will power, his iccha shakti. Through his will power he can connect to the Universal consciousness. Initially he may get only a glimpse of that stste, then for some more time. With practice he can remain there for a longer time. This is called avikalpa or nirvikalpa smadhi because the jeeva feels so blissfull realising Shiv-Shakti & seeing the Universe as a game of various Shaktis. He realises he is not a different being.
A jeeva's journey from a different entity to him realising the Universal consciousness is called being Shiva from jeeva,
The example you have mentioned in that she meets God in various births due to her past very good deeds. God gives her chance again & again to recognise, realise him by meeting her again & again till she is finally liberated from the cycle of birth & death. She must be progressing spiritually after meeting him. We can not see anyone's karma accounts of various lifes, hope some Shastra was created & developed for that. Astrology to some extent helps in identifying this trend.
This yoga shows the further stage of liberation, that is realising Shiv as Shiv-Shakti combine.
Shambhavopaya is a path very few fortunate people can follow. The other 2 Upayas Shaktopaya & Anvopaya can be followed by a normal jeeva. That in next update.
Regarding the Yuga cycle hpope there were some mention of some human souls born in variouus kalpas it would be an interesting study. Only God's occurance in various kalpas is mentioned in puranas, but if Gods appear again & again in different kalpas then a jeeva must be appearing once again in all the kalpas. Those who have realised God must be born as very advanced souls.
 
 
 
 
 
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Thank you for the elaborate explanation minakshi...
For Anupaya  we can relate Prahaladha  vishnu Bakth ,as mere boy by hearing lords name he delivered such a devotion towards god .LIke a mother feels blissful after giving birth to her child and the child smiles on her is the state when a human realizes his connectivity with God and Universe ,which eradicates all the pain we carry till that moment through our various karmic acts will flew away ,when we stepped into that Universal Bliss .Great concept ...cant explain in words but we have to experience it ...Thanks for Replaying minakshi

I am Eagerly waiting for next update ๐Ÿ˜Š


No ur answers are always the best ๐Ÿ˜Š
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Originally posted by: vanadhi

Thank you for the elaborate explanation minakshi...

For Anupaya  we can relate Prahaladha  vishnu Bakth ,as mere boy by hearing lords name he delivered such a devotion towards god .LIke a mother feels blissful after giving birth to her child and the child smiles on her is the state when a human realizes his connectivity with God and Universe ,which eradicates all the pain we carry till that moment through our various karmic acts will flew away ,when we stepped into that Universal Bliss .Great concept ...cant explain in words but we have to experience it ...Thanks for Replaying minakshi

I am Eagerly waiting for next update ๐Ÿ˜Š

Very nice Vanadhi, the example of Prahalad was so perfect. ๐Ÿ‘
This entire concept is so fascinating, it motivates a person to cross all the boundaries even while being a sansarik, same as what Shivji's message of living as a Vairagi as well as a sansarik.๐Ÿ˜Š
There can be better answers to your Q, I am answering based on what I know. Thanks๐Ÿ˜Š
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The ultimate aim of both Samkhya-yoga & Vedanta is mukti (liberation). By mukti, both means Kaivalya, perfect isolation or Soleness. Samkhya-yoga aims at isolation from Prakriti whileVedanta aims at isolation from Maya. According to samkhya-yoga, Self is sacchit (existance-consciousness) & there is nothing higher then Purusha. According to Vedanta, self or Aatma is Sacchidananda (existence- consciousness- bliss) & is identical with Brahman.

The ultmate aim of Shaivagama is not simply mukti or self-realisation but 'Shaivatva-yogya, aquiring the status of Shiv. In Vedanta, self is merely Gyan, devoid of any activity. In Shaivagama, self is characterised by both Gyan & kriya. Here Aatma-vyapti is a lower goal, the highst goal is Shiva-vyapti, which is nothing but Shiv- Shakti- samarasya, fusion & union of Shiv-Shakti. Here the Universe appears as a magnificent expression of Shiv's- one's own- Shakti.

 

Shaktopaya, Anavopaya.

Sati: Does mind allow the jeeva to evolve as The Shiv?

Shiv: The mind whose main characteristic is Vikalpa (thought- construct) acts as a barrier & does not allow the jeeva to have a view of reality, shining within himself. Only with dissolution of vikalpa, the screen that hides the essential reality, the essential divine self from the jeeva is removed. That reality is not to be achieved but uncovered. There is a vikalpa here, neither accept, nor reject, it will retire on itself & the jeeva will find what he is. This is an Artless Art. It is most difficult making this as a habbit, while attempting it, the mind begins to make all kinds of vikalpa, Very few mortals can be vikalpa free. For them there is another Upaya.

Sati : Is this Upaya easy to follw?

Shiv: The 2nd Upaya is  Shaktopaya. Here the jeeva has to resort to Maha-shakti mentally to experience the potency of Mantra, that will prove to be his saviour. Here the jeeva has to resort to his Chit-Shakti ( the Divine I-consciousness) for realization. That's why it is called Shaktopaya., also known as Shaktayoga, Mantropaya. It says catch hold of one Shuddha vikalpa.

Sati: What is Shuddha & Ashddha vikalpa?

Shiv: In Ashddha vikalpa, jeeva considers himself bound in wrong conception about himself. These are the ideas & beliefs based on which his Phycho-physical organism,he considers his mind-body complex to be the Self.

The shuddha vikalpa (correct mental attitude & belief) is the unlimited consciousness, transcending all limited expressions of reality from Earth upto Shiv. The practice of this shuddha vikalpa is Shaktopaya.

Sati: Can the highest reality or Param-Shiv be brought within the range of vikalpas?

Shiv: The highest reality is everywhere in every way self-luminous. Vikalpa can neither help or hinder it. In fact the highest reality can not be brought under any practice or discipline. Nothing can anything be added or removed from the highest reality or Shiv.

Sati: Then what is the utility of shuddha vikalpa?

Shiv: The utility of shuddha vikalpa is in removing the sense of duality which is the ignorance of jeeva's essential nature. This sense of duality is annulled by shuddha vikalpa.  It works by the Mantra-shakti.Mantra means to reflect, to be aware of, which saves. Shakti signifys the expansion of the potency of the mantra..

Mantra is that mental awareness by which jeeva can identify with the highest reality thus saving himself from the sense of seperateness & different characteristics of the world. In Shaktopaya, consciousness as Shakti or the power is the guiding principle. Shakti assumes the form of mantra. The mind of the jeeva is so intensly identified with the deity of the mantra that he becomes that mantra itself. Therefore the nature of the mantra is to be examined first. The mantra leads the jeeva to that divine I-consciousness, which is the creative Shakti of the Supreme. Since that I-consciousness is the Shakti of Shiv, pondering over that Shakti is Shaktopaya, which leads to the absorption of the Jeeva into the divine self of Shiv.

 To aquire mantra-shakti, the jeeva has to approach  a Guru, or spiritual director who imparts the mantra with his grace & instills chaitanya shakti or power of consciousness in it & teaches him the mystry of the mantra.

The total life of the jeeva who had received full enlightenment about the mantra-shakti, changes, he is God oriented, his whole life becomes Yoga. His formal rituals are changed into spiritual practice. Instead of pouring oblation of ghee, barley etc into fire, he pours his thought of the gross & subtle bodies as the self in to the fire of chitta(Universal consciousness)by means ob Bhavana. All objects actually abide in God- with this purifying thought such jeeva offeres everything to God by bhavana. This

is his Yoga or sacrifice.

Sati: What is Anavopaya?

Shiv: In Shaktopaya, Gyana is predominant, in Anavoyaya Kriya (activity) is predominant. The meditation technique used here is kriya (manasi kriya) in a grosser form. e.g. repeatation of a mantra, worship of a chosen deity, an idol etc. Therefore this is called Kriyopaya.

Anavopaya has to lead to Shaktopaya & finally to Shambhavopaya, which is the final goal. One upaya passes into other. Even when something different from the self is worshipped as an aspect or en expression of the divine, it finally terminates into Shaktopaya.

Dhyana is important in anavopaya. Here The jeeva meditates on an object, fire of the deeper inner consciousness lits up.Then grasping all external objects through the collective power-Shaktis moving out through his sense organs, he should by bhavana pour them into the fire of inner consciousness that is already lit up. Then the difference between the inner & outer, inbetween consciousness & it's objects will disappear resulting in unity-consciousness. Or he can think that Kaalagni Rudra is arising from the toe of the right foot & burning the whole body, this is known as dahabhavna, a kind of Shakta technique.

By these means, the chitta (mind) of the jeeva is absorbed into divine-consciousness.

The ultimate goal of the jeeva is the attainment of Shiv-consciousness, which includes the world as it's aspect, which is the Dynamic Union of Shiv-Shakti.

 

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Vow minakshi ,,,,,,,,,, U are the" acting Guru" for all readers here ,,,,,,,,,
who reveals all the mysteries tied under sacred texts . Thank you so much ...

Vow its a step by step process 
still now i can't vision the goal of Yagna properly but u have explained every thing very naturally ...that Jeeva should offer every thing to god by bhavana ! ...The power of mantra is always showcased by every Super Souls (Pure Devotees like Ramadas Guru of Veer shivaji ),,,from time to time .
So constantly he is enlighting us through them ,people are in 'who cares for this  trance'๐Ÿ˜† ...Kudoos to ur effort Minakshi...
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Originally posted by: vanadhi

Vow minakshi ,,,,,,,,,, U are the" acting Guru" for all readers here ,,,,,,,,,

who reveals all the mysteries tied under sacred texts . Thank you so much ...

Vow its a step by step process 
still now i can't vision the goal of Yagna properly but u have explained every thing very naturally ...that Jeeva should offer every thing to god by bhavana ! ...The power of mantra is always showcased by every Super Souls (Pure Devotees like Ramadas Guru of Veer shivaji ),,,from time to time .
So constantly he is enlighting us through them ,people are in 'who cares for this  trance'๐Ÿ˜† ...Kudoos to ur effort Minakshi...

I am a student not a Guru๐Ÿ˜†
You have understood it well, it is a step by step process. Some times the person is not even aware of this progress of gradual progress, he is just enjoying the happiness achieved at various state.
The best is burning in Kalaagni or Yogaagni is a Shakta-yoga process, which is highly misinterpreted๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
Ramdas Swami was great that's why Shivaji as his humble shishya gave him his entire kingdom.
Thanks to Shivji & Shakti, without their blessings I woudn't have been able to write this๐Ÿ˜Š
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Minu loved it loads and the 3rd part was too nice. LOVED IT ๐Ÿค—
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Minu loved it loads and the 3rd part was too nice. LOVED IT ๐Ÿค—

Thanks dear๐Ÿค— I am glad you liked it๐Ÿ˜Š