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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

 

We discussed the other wives a bit in the EDT.  Mitravindya wasn't the one who had a swayamvar like Draupadi - Lakshmanaa did.  M
 
But at this point, I'm against them showing the other 5 wives.  If, after 16,003 wives (as per the serial count), Krishna is still shown marrying, it'll seem like he had an insatiable hunger for wives.  When he was just married to 8 wives, that wasn't so bad, but now, after so many wives, if he keeps taking more, it'll just look pretty awful.
 



Oh yes thanks for correcting me it was Lakshmana


What is the story if his marriage to the other two Bhadra and Satya

Krishna married these 16100 to rescue them, so we cannot say that he had an insatiable hunger for wives

Well do you know for sure that these marriages took place before the Narkasur incident or after it?
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I don't recall the story of Bhadra & Satya's marriages - maybe Vinu or vaarali can fill in - it was discussed some in the EDT. 
Lakshmanaa had a swayamvar almost identical to Draupadi's, except that in Draupadi's case, one could see the fish above as well as its reflection, but  could only shoot based on the reflection, whereas for Lakshmanaa, one could only see the reflection, but not the original fish.
 
Kalindhi was meditating in the Khandavprastha forest when Arjun found her, and she told him that she was meditating to achieve Vishnu.  Arjun took her to Krishna, who married her after returning to Dwarka.
 
Krishna married these first 8 wives before his war against Narakasura, not after.  After he married the 16,100 damsels, he never married anyone else.  The sequence in which these marriages happened is pretty important. 
 
For starters, those 8 wouldn't have been called his principle wives had any of them followed those 16,100: they'd have been junior to them, since the hierarchy of sautans was based not on their age or stature, but who married the husband first.  That was the basis on which Rukmini was chief queen.  Then, after Krishna had 16,008 (as depicted in this serial), to show him to go on and marry Kalindhi, Bhadra, Satya, Mitravindya and Lakshmanaa would send the message that for Krishna, 16,003 wives were not enough, and unlike in case of the 16,000, these 5 weren't in such dire straits that they couldn't have married anyone else.  That's different from his having 8 regular wives, and then going on to marry the other 16,100 (or 16,000 according to the Sagars) to save them from a lifetime of ignomy.
 
There are some changes to the script that don't alter the message of the story much, but this one would, if they went ahead and did it.  So if they show Krishna marrying all 16,000 of them, I'd rather they not show the next 5.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Srimadbhagvad mahapuran chapter 83, "Draupadi Meets the Queens of Krsna."

Draupadi to the wives of Lord Krsna. She addressed them: "My dear Rukmini, Bhadra, Jambavati, Satya, Satyabhama, Kalindi, Saibya, Laksmana, Rohini and all other wives of Lord Krsna, will you please let us know how Lord Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, accepted you as His wives and married you in pursuance of the marriage ceremonies of ordinary human beings?"

To this question, the chief of the queens, Rukminidevi, replied, "My dear Draupadi, it was practically a settled fact that princes like Jarasandha and others wanted me to marry King Sisupala, and, as is usual, all the princes present during the marriage ceremony were prepared with their armor and weapons to fight with any rival who dared to stop the marriage. But the Supreme Personality of Godhead kidnapped me the way a lion takes away a lamb from the flock. This was not, however, a very wondrous act for Lord Krsna, because anyone who claims to be a very great hero or king within this world is subordinate to the lotus feet of the Lord. All the kings touched their helmets to the lotus feet of Lord Krsna. My dear Draupadi, it is my eternal desire that life after life I may be engaged in the service of Lord Krsna, who is the reservoir of all pleasure and beauty. This is my only desire and ambition in life."

After this, Satyabhama began to speak. She said, "My dear Draupadi, my father was very much afflicted on the death of his brother, Prasena, and he falsely accused Lord Krsna of killing his brother and stealing the Syamantaka jewel, which had actually been taken by Jambavan. Lord Krsna, in order to establish His pure character, fought with Jambavan and rescued the Syamantaka jewel, which was later delivered to my father. My father was very much ashamed and sorry for accusing Lord Krsna of his brother's death. After getting back the Syamantaka jewel, he thought it wise to rectify his mistake, so although he had promised others my hand in marriage, he submitted the jewel and myself at the lotus feet of Krsna, and thus I was accepted as His maidservant and wife."

After this, Jambavati replied to Draupadi's question. She said, "My dear Draupadi, when Lord Krsna attacked my father Jambavan, the king of the rksas, my father did not know that Lord Krsna was his former master, Lord Ramacandra, the husband of Sita. Not knowing the identity of Lord Krsna, my father remained continually engaged in fighting with Him for twenty-seven days. After this period, when he became very tired and fatigued, he could understand that since no one but Lord Ramacandra could defeat him, his opponent, Lord Krsna, must be the same Lord Ramacandra. He thus came to his senses and not only immediately returned the Syamantaka jewel, but in order to satisfy the Lord, he presented me to Him to become His wife. In this way I was married to the Lord, and thus my desire to remain life after life as a servitor of Krsna was fulfilled."

After this, Kalindi said, "My dear Draupadi, I was engaged in great austerities and penances in order to get Lord Krsna as my husband. When Lord Krsna became aware of this fact, He very kindly came to me along with His friend Arjuna and accepted me as His wife. Lord Krsna then took me away from the bank of Yamuna, and since then I have been engaged in the house of Lord Krsna as a sweeper. And the Lord is treating me as His wife."

After this, Mitravinda said, "My dear Draupadi, there was a great assembly of princes at my svayamvara ceremony. Lord Krsna was also present in that meeting, and He accepted me as His maidservant by defeating all the princes present there. He immediately took me away to Dvaraka, exactly as a lion takes a deer from a pack of dogs. When I was thus taken away by Lord Krsna, my brothers wanted to fight with Him, and later on they were defeated. Thus my desire to become the maidservant of Krsna life after life was fulfilled."

After this, Satya addressed Draupadi in this way: "My dear Draupadi, my father arranged for an assembly for my svayamvara,[the personal selection of a husband], and in order to test the strength and heroism of the prospective bridegrooms, my father stipulated that they each fight with his seven ferocious bulls, which had long, serpentine horns. Many heroic prospective bridegrooms tried to defeat the bulls, but unfortunately they were all severely struck, and they returned to their homes as defeated invalids. When Lord Sri Krsna came and fought with the bulls, they were just like playthings for Him. He captured the bulls and roped each one of them by their nostrils. Thus they came under His control, just like a goat's small kids come very easily under the control of children. My father became very pleased and married me with Lord Krsna in great pomp, giving as my dowry many divisions of soldiers, horses, chariots and elephants, along with hundreds of maidservants. Thus Lord Krsna brought me to His capital city, Dvaraka. On the way back, He was also assaulted by many princes, but Lord Krsna defeated all of them, and thus I have the privilege of serving His lotus feet as a maidservant."

After this, Bhadra began to speak. She said, "My dear Draupadi, Lord Krsna is the son of my maternal uncle. Fortunately, I became attracted to His lotus feet. When my father understood these feelings of mine, he personally arranged for my marriage, inviting Lord Krsna to marry me and giving Him in dowry one aksauhini, or division of armed forces, along with many maidservants and other royal paraphernalia. I do not know whether I shall be able to have the shelter of Lord Krsna life after life, but still I pray to the Lord that wherever I may take my birth I may not forget my relationship with His lotus feet."

Then Laksmana said, "My dear Queen, many times I have heard the great sage Narada glorifying the pastimes of Lord Krsna. I became attracted to the lotus feet of Krsna when I heard Narada say that the goddess of fortune, Laksmi, was also attracted to His lotus feet. Since then I have always been thinking of Him, and thus my attraction for Him has increased. My dear Queen, my father was very affectionate toward me. When he understood that I was attracted to Krsna, he devised a plan, his plan was like that devised by your father; during the svayamvara, the prospective bridegrooms had to pierce the eyes of a fish with their arrows. The difference between the competition in your svayamvara and mine was that in your case the fish was hanging openly on the ceiling, in clear view, but in my case the fish was covered with a cloth and could only be seen by the reflection of the cloth in a pot of water. That was the special feature of mysvayamvara.

"The news of this device was spread all over the world, and when the princes heard of it, they arrived at my father's capital city from all directions, fully equipped with armor and guided by their military instructors. Each one of them desired to win me as his wife, and one after another they raised the bow and arrow which was left there for piercing the fish. Many could not even join the bowstring to the two ends of the bow, and without attempting to pierce the fish, they simply left the bow as it was and went away. Some with great difficulty drew the string from one end to the other, and being unable to tie the other end, they were suddenly knocked down by the spring-like bow. My dear Queen, you will be surprised to know that at mysvayamvara meeting there were many famous kings and heroes present. Heroes like Jarasandha, Ambastha, Sisupala, Bhimasena, Duryodhana and Karna were, of course, able to string the bow, but they could not pierce the fish, because it was covered, and they could not trace it out from the reflection. The celebrated hero of the Pandavas, Arjuna, was able to see the reflection of the fish on the water, but although with great caution he traced out the location of the fish and shot an arrow, he did not pierce the fish in the right spot. His arrow at least touched the fish, and so he proved himself better than all other princes.

"All the princes who had tried to pierce the target were disappointed, being baffled in their attempts, and some candidates had even left the place without making an attempt, but when at last Lord Krsna took up the bow, He was able to tie the bowstring very easily, just as a child plays with a toy. He placed the arrow, and looking only once at the reflection of the fish in the water, He shot the arrow, and the pierced fish immediately fell down. This victory of Lord Krsna was accomplished at noon, during the moment called abhijit, which is astronomically calculated as auspicious. At that time the vibration of 'Jaya! Jaya!' was heard all over the world, and from the sky came sounds of drums beat by the denizens of heaven. Great demigods were overwhelmed with joy and began to shower flowers on the earth.

"At that time, I entered the arena of competition, and the ankle bells on my legs were sounding very melodiously as I walked. I was nicely dressed with new silken garments, flowers were decorating my hair, and because of Lord Krsna's victory, I was in ecstatic joy and smiling very pleasingly. I was carrying in my hands a golden necklace bedecked with jewels, which was glittered at intervals. My curling hair encircled my face, which was shining with a bright luster due to the reflection of my various rings. My eyes blinking, I first of all observed all the princes present, and when I reached my Lord I very slowly placed the golden necklace on His neck. As I have already informed you, from the very beginning my mind had been attracted by Lord Krsna, and thus I considered the garlanding of the Lord to be my great victory. As soon as I placed my garland on the neck of the Lord, there sounded immediately the combined vibration ofmrdangas, patahas, conchshells, drums, kettledrums and other instruments, causing a tumultuous sound, and while the music played, expert male and female dancers began to dance, and singers began to sing sweetly.

"My dear Draupadi, when I accepted Lord Krsna as my worshipable husband, and He also accepted me as His maidservant, there was a tumultuous roaring among the disappointed princes. All of them became very agitated because of their lusty desires, but without caring for them, my husband, in His form as the four-handed Narayana, immediately took me on His chariot, which was drawn by four excellent horses. Expecting opposition from the princes, He armored Himself and took up His bow named Sarnga, but our celebrated driver, Daruka, drove the beautiful chariot without a moment's delay toward the city of Dvaraka. Thus, in the presence of all the princes, I was carried away very quickly, exactly as a deer is carried away from the flock by a lion. Some of the princes, however, wanted to check our progress, and thus, equipped with proper weapons, they opposed us, just as dogs try to oppose the progressive march of a lion. At that time, due to the arrows released by the Sarnga bow of Lord Krsna, some of the princes were cut on their left hands, some of them lost their legs, and some lost their heads and their lives, and others fled from the battlefield.

"The Supreme Personality of Godhead then entered the most celebrated city of the universe, Dvaraka, and as He entered the city, He appeared like the shining sun. The whole city of Dvaraka was profusely decorated on that occasion. There were so many flags and festoons and gates all over Dvaraka that the sunshine could not even enter the city. I have already told you that my father was very much affectionate to me, so when he saw that my desire was fulfilled by getting Lord Krsna as my husband, in great happiness he began to distribute to friends and relatives various kinds of gifts, such as valuable dresses, ornaments, bedsteads and sitting carpets. Lord Krsna is always self-sufficient, yet my father, out of his own accord, offered my husband a dowry consisting of riches, soldiers, elephants, chariots, horses and many rare and valuable weapons. He presented all these to the Lord with great enthusiasm. My dear Queen, at that time I could guess that in my previous life I must have performed some wonderfully pious activity, and as a result I can in this life be one of the maidservants in the house of the Supreme Personality of Godhead."

When all the principal queens of Lord Krsna had finished their statements, Rohini, as the representative of the other sixteen thousand queens, began to narrate the incident of their becoming wives of Krsna.

"My dear Queen, when Bhaumasura was conquering all the world, he collected wherever possible all the beautiful daughters of the kings and kept us arrested within his palace. When news of our imprisonment reached Lord Krsna, He fought with Bhaumasura and released us. Lord Krsna killed Bhaumasura and all his soldiers, and although He had no need to accept even one wife, He nevertheless, by our request, married all sixteen thousand of us. My dear Queen, our only qualification was that we were always thinking of the lotus feet of Lord Krsna, which is the way to release oneself from the bondage of repeated birth and death. My dear Queen Draupadi, please take it from us that we are not after any opulence such as kingdom, empire, or a position of heavenly enjoyment. We do not want to enjoy such material opulences, nor do we desire to achieve the yogic perfections, nor the exalted post of Lord Brahma. Nor do we want any of the different kinds of liberation--salokya, sarsti, samipya or sayujya. We are not at all attracted by any of these opulences. Our only ambition is to bear on our heads life after life the dust particles attached to the lotus feet of Lord Krsna. The goddess of fortune also desires to keep that dust on her breasts, along with fragrant saffron. We simply desire this dust, which accumulates underneath the lotus feet of Krsna as He travels on the land of Vrndavana as a cowherd boy. Thegopis especially, and also the cowherd men and the aborigine tribeswomen, always desire to become the grass and straw on the street of Vrndavana, to be trampled on by the lotus feet of Krsna. My dear Queen, we wish to remain as such life after life, without any other desire."

Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport of the Eighty-third Chapter ofKrsna, "Draupadi Meets the Queens of Krsna."

Edited by NandiniPS - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
Thanks for the accounts.  The above account clearly shows that all those 16,000 (or 16,100) wives were preceded by the first 8.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Yes it does

And it is unfair of AS not to show such wondrful stories

Especially Lakshmana'a and Satya's
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Posted: 12 years ago
Thanks a lot Nandini for the info...👍🏼

So does that mean the Sagars have skipped the other 5 wives. Well if they haven't shown Arjun yet, then it gives me a strange feeling that Sagars have not finalized anybody to play the roles yet, just like they showed Basudev & Devki after many episode only🤔

Well one thing that I don't really think is that it's not actually the problem of Priya not having knowledge about the life of Krishna as she mentioned in the interview. An actor is supposed to enact in any situation. Having knowledge regarding the subject matter can only enhance the performance level but it can't guarantee a great performance. That's what I feel. Same applies for the actress playing Satyabhama😳

The Sagars should be able to extract the required performance from the actors. Ignoring the knowledge about mytho, the directors should narrate the story, scene & characters properly so that the actors can act properly not just letting them act then finalizing the scene & showing it on TV despite bad performance by the actors😕 Blaming the actors is a secondary thing in my POV. The people in the PH are more responsible as they choose the actor for the role so it's their responsibility to ensure the actor is doing his/her job properly


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Posted: 12 years ago
I remember someone posted the list of Krishna's eight wives and their natal Kingdoms in one of the previous threads...could that person post it again here please? I'd like to note the information down.
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Posted: 12 years ago
JanakiRaghunath,

The information is here



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In the original story, after Krishna had killed Narakasura, Bhumi Devi took control of things and brought Narakasura's son Bhagadatta to him and asked him to spare him, and put him on the throne.  Krishna agreed, and asked Bhagadatta to return Varuna's umbrella.  He also asked Bhagadatta to send the 16,100 damsels to Dwarka, while he took Aditi's earrings, which were handed over to him, and went w/ Satyabhama to return it to Aditi.

In this serial, it looks like except those 16,000 women, there is nobody in Pragjyotisha.  Once they left the palace, it was just empty.  I had mixed reactions about the suicide march they showed last night - by that reasoning, they were arguably better off under Narakasura.  For one thing, they made it look like they were emotionally blackmailing Krishna, when nothing of the sort happened.  Krishna talked to them about starting new lives by going back to their homes, but they told him that they were treated as dead the day they were abducted. 😭  For another, after the destruction of the Yadavas, these 16,000 all ended their lives (in SB, in the fire, and in MB, drowning in the river Saraswati).  I know that they can't show or rationalize that in the serial, but why show Krishna talking them out of doing something that they'll do after his passing anyway?  Why not just go by the original and say it was Krishna who ordered them to be moved to Pragjyotishpur?

Another thing I didn't get - since Bhagadatta was now the ruler, Krishna could have declared all of them Rajmatas of Pragjyotishpur, couldn't he?  I'm not criticizing him for marrying them, but just wondering out aloud whether them becoming statutory mothers of Bhagadatta was a workable solution?

One more thing I'm curious about - how did Krishna house these wives?  Dwarka was a small island barely enough for the Yadavas, Vrishnis, Andhakas and Bhojas.  So Krishna would have needed something like a skyscraper palace in order to give each of his wives their own quarters.  Or else, he'd have had to conquer a bit of mainland Saurashtra in which to settle them.  I'm not trying to be irreverent here - I'm really curious as to how he might have accommodated them all - and please don't say yogamaya 😆
Edited by _Vrish_ - 12 years ago
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>>>>One more thing I'm curious about - how did Krishna house these wives?  Dwarka was a small island barely enough for the Yadavas, Vrishnis, Andhakas and Bhojas.  So Krishna would have needed something like a skyscraper palace in order to give each of his wives their own quarters.  Or else, he'd have had to conquer a bit of mainland Saurashtra in which to settle them.  I'm not trying to be irreverent here - I'm really curious as to how he might have accommodated them all - and please don't say yogamaya 😆>>>>

If you go by the description of Dwaraka in the 69th chapter of the 10 skanda, Dwaraka is anything but a tiny island.  Not only are there palaces (mind you- not apartments) for all of the 16108 wives, but there are 900,000 palaces in all (verses 1-6)
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