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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

So while I'm waiting for the rest of the video to load, here are a couple of things that I really loved about the initial scene..

When PB said that Gulaal won't stay in the house and when she started to pull Gulaal towards the door.. From that moment till the moment MB asked her to stop, Kesar was RIGHT there.. He wasn't in front or behind Gulaal, he wasn't beside PB trying to physically stop her or anything.. He was just beside Gulaal, sharing each step she took towards the door with her while all the while subconsciously stretching an arm out in front of Gulaal.. To "hold" her back.. And I am so so so sure that if MB hadn't stopped PB, Kesar would have stepped right out of the threshold with Gulaal, all the way out the house. And that if those doors would have physically been closed on Gulaal, that Kesar would have been right there beside her come hell or high water. I really really really loved that for some reason. How he was just there - he wasn't trying to forcefully hold Gulaal back but rather he was taking her "punishment" (whatever it may have been) right there beside her. He was just there. *sigh*


Word Fivr ... his support of her is just heartening... He's a rare species of that powerful male, who doesn't fear being exactly an equal to his better half. An equal in every sense - if he's there to look out for her with such vigilance and ferocity of spirit, he feels no degradation in letting her stand up for him exactly the same way! Those little instances of hanging out all day in the trail behind her and her friends, of convincing her to take the floor to sleep without letting it seem even for a second like a 'sacrifice' on his par, or something he must do cause she's the fragile female, and him the protective male, nope!... there's so many of those instances - to me, his integrity as the male is far more than all those overpowering alpha males who think being the knight to every damsel in distress is their moral obligation, and the process can never be reversed! It's exactly why I had never wanted this showdown to come down at a point where Kesar would have been another knight - and I'm so glad that now that the time has come for it - Kesar is standing up for Gulaal as an equal! He's not 'saving' her from the punishment - he's 'taking' it with her like you say, in equal measure.
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: JZephyr


Word Fivr ... his support of her is just heartening... He's a rare species of that powerful male, who doesn't fear being exactly an equal to his better half. An equal in every sense - if he's there to look out for her with such vigilance and ferocity of spirit, he feels no degradation in letting her stand up for him exactly the same way! Those little instances of hanging out all day in the trail behind her and her friends, of convincing her to take the floor to sleep without letting it seem even for a second like a 'sacrifice' on his par, or something he must do cause she's the fragile female, and him the protective male, nope!... there's so many of those instances - to me, his integrity as the male is far more than all those overpowering alpha males who think being the knight to every damsel in distress is their moral obligation, and the process can never be reversed! It's exactly why I had never wanted this showdown to come down at a point where Kesar would have been another knight - and I'm so glad that now that the time has come for it - Kesar is standing up for Gulaal as an equal! He's not 'saving' her from the punishment - he's 'taking' it with her like you say, in equal measure.


ya vasanth is convention mr.perfect for gulaal
kesar is conventional mr.right for gulaal
but gulaal is unconventional imperfect
story is how these three destiny meet n it is viewers destiny to see the journey of these 3 destinies 🤢 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: JZephyr


On a serious note - you know when PB tells Gulaal that she cannot stay in the house orVasant ki atma will never get shaanti?! I was like whoaaa! And these are people who unlike Gulaal were never really striving to dig out the truth about the accident! Like fine, MB was in coma for a while (right?) but PB and her likes were all too misery struck, or too resigned... or too dominated by the negative forces in the house - to actually seek out what had happened! There have only ever been two people who wouldn't let things be till truth was there's to own! Gulaal - in her persuasion with the cops... only giving up when she realized what the truth could change. And Kesar - not as a kid, yes, but lets not forget all the efforts he was putting into getting the case reopened and get justice for his brother, cause he knew the dark truth! He only stopped, after the confrontation ...

And the two people who were ready to go to the end of the world to get Vasant justice are now in the 'wrong' side... but all those who quietly slipped back into their life - resigned or resumed - are the people who have been betrayed! Ohhh! Almost makes me angry at them - but for MJ's acting, and especially his argument of how he's supported Gulaal against all talks and pointed fingers ... If only we had the old PB, today's parents vs Gulaal confrontation would have been as complete as those of two days before!



Oh that line was such a low blow...but since I abhor the new PB anyways, I was just blocking it out ...this chick KILLS the character of PB as well the scenes where she's got dialogues.

MB's anger and his bitter lashing out at Gulaal was hurtful too but understandable...he is shattered cuz he trusted Gulaal above all...she was the LAST person he'd ever have thought would hide something so huge from him...if it was any other secret, he might not have reacted like this...but this was about Vasant's MURDER...and he can't get over it.

It takes time for these wounds to heal...they are too fresh right now...but MB will realize with time why Gulaal did this...maybe he will even recall that Dushyant once tried to confess to him and ask for forgiveness too...but yeah it will take time for perspective to creep back in...for now, it's MB's HURT that is making him lash out at Gulaal more than anything...PB toh waise bhi jaaye bhaad mein...😆
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: Anjalg

^Very true Len!! MB, PB do need to give her a chance to explain why she kept such a monumental secret from them and I am sure they will. Their reaction today was a very human and realistic reaction...parents finding out that the DIL they have trusted all these years has kept the identity of the person who killed their perfect son! I would have been very surprised if MB had actually given a chance today...

I did not like MB comparing what she had done to Dushy's murder as well but then again...MB was lashing out today and all his words were meant to hurt her! Their silent treatment is going to hurt her louder than their angry words though...tough days coming up for Gulaal.

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Anjalg,
I actually was impressed by Motaba (as an ex Sarpanch) pointing this out. In the context of this serial, superficially, it might seem unwarranted - but according to the law of the land in India (and in several legal systems across the world), a person who fails to report the facts about a criminal incident as grave as a murder (even if he/she is not an accessory to the crime) is considered complicit to the murder and is liable for punishment as is the offender.
This serial seems to have had an underlying agenda of social messages to its audience (even if it sometimes gets lost in the drama) and this was one those instances. Vasanth's murder was a crime that impacted so many people - hence Gulaal's sense of martyrdom was a bit naive - by hiding the truth about Dushyanth's role in the murder she worked on the assumption that she knew best since she was Vasanth's widow. She denied an entire family/community justice and hence did commit a serious wrong...laws exist in a community for a reason...she set an example that it was OK to forgive a murderer because she needed to keep her family together. What if Vasanth's murderer had been Durgesh or a member of the village? Would the same warped logic have applied?...I love Gulaal's character because she is the anti-perfect "anti-heroine" if you will in all these saas-bahu dramas with their "perfect" brides who always do the right thing...Gulaal (as opposed to all the other bahus) makes you think, not cringe...
Edits were about a couple of omitted words...
Edited by trifolia - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: trifolia

What if Vasanth's murderer had been Durgesh or a member of the village? Would the same warped logic have applied?...I love Gulaal's character because she is the anti-perfect "anti-heroine" if you will in all these saas-bahu dramas with their "perfect" brides who always do the right thing...Gulaal (as opposed to all the other bahus) makes you think, not cringe...



Gulaal protected Dushyant only cuz he was a member of the family...her logic was not to protect ALL murderers...it was only Dushyant since this revelation would without a doubt tear apart the family forever as it has today ultimately.

I think everyone's POVs are justified in a sense...the time for when Gulaal did this was different and it's something possibly only her and Dushyant will ever be able to understand...and maybe Kesar now.

Every action of the characters was meant to feed the story and lead it towards a purpose.

I agree with your last line...well said👏...the character as well as the show...both make you think, not cringe.
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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: trifolia

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Anjalg,
I actually was impressed by Motaba (as an ex Sarpanch) pointing this out. In the context of this serial, superficially, it might seem unwarranted - but according to the law of the land in India (and in several legal systems across the world), a person who fails to report the facts about a criminal incident as grave as a murder (even if he/she is not an accessory to the crime) is considered complicit to the murder and is liable for punishment as is the offender.
This serial seems to have had an underlying agenda of social messages to its audience (even if it sometimes gets lost in the drama) and this was one those instances. Vasanth's murder was a crime that impacted so many people - hence Gulaal's sense of martyrdom was a bit naive - by hiding the Dushyanth's murder she worked on the assumption that she knew best since she was Vasanth's widow. She denied an entire family/community justice and hence did commit a serious wrong...laws exist in a community for a reason...she set an example that it was OK to forgive a murderer because she needed to keep her family together. What if Vasanth's murderer had been Durgesh or a member of the village? Would the same warped logic have applied?...I love Gulaal's character because she is the anti-perfect "anti-heroine" if you will in all these saas-bahu dramas with their "perfect" brides who always do the right thing...Gulaal (as opposed to all the other bahus) makes you think, not cringe...


@orange - excellent point raised trifolia. I think at one point or the other we have all agreed that the beauty of this show is how each character has its own share of fall outs, which makes them real and credible! They aren't the next thing to perfection after God, or even before him, or some avatar of him *cringe indeed*

And Gulaal precisely falls short of perfection, in the irony of striving for it! So extreme is her pursuit of selflessness and righteousness that it is bound to backfire - and thanks to the CVs and the script it does! As you point out, we don't just get another sequence for the nth time on a TV show where the bahu is proved right in her warped 'saving the family pain' logic irrespective of how wrong it stands in objectivity! If there is a law - the idea is to let that law rule, and not take it upon oneself as a personal undertaking to decide the best. You put the hypothesis of Durgesh (which could well have been possible, you know!) what if Dushyant himself had never reformed quite as much as he did? Say in his soft corner for Gulaal he did change his ways for her, but what if his overall ways had not changed? Was it fair to leave a 'criminal' at lose in the society only because you did not want your family to fall apart in the process?! While from Gulaal's perspective it was the height of nobility and selflessness in letting him off the hook - in the big scenario, she was wrong, period. And like you say, what a wonderful change from the usual melodramas this is, for that error of way to get pointed out, challenged, and eventually corrected!

I hadn't really thought along this tangent - so thanks for pointing it out! 👏
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Posted: 14 years ago
Whoa all of you superb posts! All of you have very beautiful put forth the beauty that is Kesar-Gulaal so I won't repeat it (you have done that so much better than I could have anyway 😆)
I'm very excited for tomorrow. Was waiting for Gulaal's realisation that her making decisions for everyone around her on the basis that she knows best was wrong...she's finally coming to that and I think it was long overdue. I agree with all of you thinking that for Gulaal to really start over and begin living again, it was necessary to break her erroneous selfmade interpretation of Vasant's dreams.
Call me crazy but I actually appreciated Talli in this epi 😕 Maybe because for the first I got the feeling she was moving away from Kes-Gul, not with a heavy heart like before, this time it's seem more effortless like it was natural for her to give them their time alone. When she rushed to Gulaal and then has gone away after looking at Kesar, I immediately got the feeling that she sensed she was intruding in an intimate moment and it was only right for her to let them be. Also I do think her remembering only the dowry issue (apart from being a set up for Kulli's convo) is not out of self centeredness but rather out of genuine guilt. She must feel that the money issue was the main trigger for that confrontation and it was her zid for getting married asap that brought it on to begin with so in a way it's not farfetched for her to feel a tad guilty...
One word for PB and Raman: cringeworthy. The former for her inability to convey the right emotions, instead of feeling sorry for her she was just irritating (oh How I missed the old actress *sigh*) and the latter for his fake tears. I'm almost sure the only thing on his mind at the time must of been of his relief at getting out of the mess unscathed!!😡
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Posted: 14 years ago
@red - you're so right. Don't know what was actually Gulaal-Vasant's bond as I've never really seen it but I definitely agree that Gulaal-Kesar's relationship is so much deeper than 'just' love! In a way it almost feels wrong to describe them as just two people in love while what binds them together is so far beyond than that as you put it...I find myself lacking a true/fitting word to characterize them...such are these two 😍
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Posted: 14 years ago


Since we were talking about framing the moment!! 😍

Thanks Geesh😊
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Posted: 14 years ago


...and one more for the road...😳

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