Caste&gender based discrimination in India today - Page 4

@ Summer bhai

I read the blog Summer ji. I agree with the blogger about one fact. Both in left and right wing parties you find many prominent leaders from among OBCs and SCs, but very few from among the tribals(STs).

In my earlier post i have mentioned that OBCs, SCs and only a part of the tribals(eg:Kanis) have progressed well. Mainly because reforms reached tribals very late. OBCs and SCs were part of the mainsteam society since time immemorial no? But the case of tribals is entirely different. Naturally reform occured earlier among OBCs and SCs(during our national movement days) and they attained progress much earlier. Tribals were still living isolated, completely segregated from the others.

Because of a large number of programmes and policies implemented by successive governments, certain tribes have attained considerable progress and have become part of the mainstream society. For eg. many people from the Kani community are in the government service and business sector.

Comming to C.K. Janu(tribal leader mensioned in the blog) what to say, she's worse than Mayavati😉 Corrupt to the core. Instead of working for the upliftment of tribals she is amassing wealth for herself. That's why they kicked her out.

Kerala's chief minister V.S. Achuthanandan is from a backward community.

State secretary of CPIM, Pinaray Vijayan(the most powerful one in the party) is from a backward community

There are prominent ministers belonging to Scheduled castes in the present cabinet like A.K. Balan.

How can there be caste discrimination in the political setup, when it is dominated and controlled by leaders belonging to backward communities, when all the power is in their hands!!😆

Originally posted by: pogo

@ Pre-schoolers 🤡

The people who never responded to the original topic.. The ones who care nothing about the oppressed , are posting now just to bash.

We should be proud about the fact that India a comparatively young nation had a dalit president -Shri K. R. Narayanan, much before America (a country that has attained independance long before india) elected a black president. Instead of being proud of such things, instead of appreciating the state's social progress our Xinit and Cuckoo like to loathe keralites😆 Let the pre-schoolers enjoy😉

I dream of an India where no women is murdered in the name of dowry, no girl child is killed even before she comes out of the womb, no dalit is burned alive or beaten to death.

Originally posted by: cuckoocutter

lol to set the record straight, i dont loathe keralites. i actually dig hot mallu chicks, lik asin. i really do, promise. 😉 😆

Whatever man..🥱 You may or may not go after stupid but hot ones like Asin. Talking about asin, glad that she left for bollywood😉 Good for malayalam cinema you know😉
I wanted serious discussion in the thread. Edited the previous post to avoid further rubbish in the thread and you coming up with this..😕

If you know anything and have anything to say about the original topic, about the oppression faced by women and backward classes, do post your views, if not kindly stop posting in the thread.

Originally posted by: pogo

How can there be caste discrimination in the political setup, when it is dominated and controlled by leaders belonging to backward communities, when all the power is in their hands!!

Bcoz power corrupts !

Originally posted by: pogo

I think the only way out, the only solution is that the oppressed classes should organise and fight for their rights and dignity with full force, without fear. They have to rise up and fight for their rights.

More than fighting for their rights which are not denied in most cases , I feel that they need to change their attitude & lifestyle. Some of the ppl are simply not motivated to do anything to improve their lot. Perhaps they have never thought much beyond meeting their basic needs like food & drinks. Its going to take a lot of efforts to even make them realise that they shud aspire for more and be ready to work in that direction. Fighting for rights wud come later after one has first fulfilled ones duty towards ones ownself & ones family atleast.

Originally posted by: angie.4u

More than fighting for their rights which are not denied in most cases ,

Rights not denied in most cases??!! Denial of access to public places is not denial of rights?? Denial of access to public wells, denial of access to eating places frequented by upper caste people is all common even today in backward regions. Go through the 'atrocities against backward classes statistics' from official sources(there will be lots of unreported cases too)

Originally posted by: angie.4u

Its going to take a lot of efforts to even make them realise that they shud aspire for more and be ready to work in that direction.

No one need to make them realize that they need to aspire more. They have realized that ages back by themselves and they have rose up. Read more about the social movements occurred during first part of 20^th century all over the country parallel to the freedom struggle and you will see. They were fed up working 18 hours a day as slaves for the elite masters and decided to react and revolt. Such movements were successful in south but were crushed in the north. That's why they still remain oppressed mainly in north India. That's why I said there is need for a second set of such movements.

Originally posted by: angie.4u

I feel that they need to change their attitude & lifestyle. Some of the ppl are simply not motivated to do anything to improve their lot. Perhaps they have never thought much beyond meeting their basic needs like food & drinks. Fighting for rights wud come later after one has first fulfilled ones duty towards ones ownself & ones family atleast.

You cannot blame the oppressed for the oppression that they face angie ji..😊 What you are saying is true in the case of tribals alone, as they live secluded from others.

Barring the tribals other backward communities are trying to improve their standard of living since years, but as I said before the upper castes are not letting them come up. Read the original post. I have mentioned how the upper classes act as a lobby and prevent women and backward classes from accessing power and wealth. There are exceptions. They let few from the oppressed sections to enjoy power and wealth to bluff and make everyone think that there is no discrimination.

i agree with angie fully. these people need to stand up for themselves than expecting a saint to come and rescue them. they need to improve their std. of living and work for their own betterment. they have been provided enough subsidies from the govt. and if still they are not improving then there is a something lacking from their side. there is very very less caste based discrimination in india. a few cases cannot be considered as parameters to say that there is wide spread caste discriminations in india.
and discrimination is something which is not in the least bit limited to india. i think these is much more discrimination in other countries than india. specially gender based discrimination.

Originally posted by: pogo

You cannot blame the oppressed for the oppression that they face angie ji..😊 What you are saying is true in the case of tribals alone, as they live secluded from others.Barring the tribals other backward communities are trying to improve their standard of living since years, but as I said before the upper castes are not letting them come up. Read the original post. I have mentioned how the upper classes act as a lobby and prevent women and backward classes from accessing power and wealth. There are exceptions. They let few from the oppressed sections to enjoy power and wealth to bluff and make everyone think that there is no discrimination.

Discrimination is all around. To fight for something one has to first feel that its something worth fighting for. That is where ones aspiration comes in. If one wants something very passionately I believe that one ends up getting it if one persists long enough. One also needs to do some honest introspection to look for causes of failure. Only then can one find solutions.