BR Chopra's Mahabharat Chat Club # 1| Pg. 78,79(Page 71)

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Posted: 2010-06-08T02:59:34Z
Originally posted by flashykush


Dear Debipriya, the views presented about Bheeshm and Gandhari are really thought provoking yet satisfying. Smile



Soooo...Happy that you are here, at lastSmileSmile.....


Bahut din se dialogues ke liye intezaar kar rahe the yahan hum sab Star Star.... Really Happy ki ab yahan bhi in sab ki baare me discussions ho sakti haiSmile.



And regarding Bheeshma- you already knew my views about him, the way I supported him in the initial posts of 'Last Episode'LOL... This particular DOTW gave me a chance to express my views and I wrote a Really Lengthy Post about my Fav CharacterLOLLOL.



Do post your views whenever you find time...


And continue to post the Great Dialogues... Members will Enjoy a lot...
Thumbs UpEdited by Debipriya - 2010-06-08T03:01:24Z
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Posted: 2010-06-08T03:23:33Z
Originally posted by flashykush


Some best piece of conversation presented here. Not actually because of the content but mainly because of the way of expressing and voice modulation of all the actors. And the background music added more. Wink

Drona - Yeh Kuruparivaar ki samasya hai Angraaj. Isiliye isme na tumhara bolna uchit hai, na mera.

Karna - Guruon ke itihaas mein aap jaisa guru toh kadaachit hi koi aur hoga, jo sadaiv ek hi shishya ke paksh mein hota hai ar baaki shishyon ki virudh.

Bheeshma - Hey Angraaj, yeh na bhoolo ki shesh sab yodha tumhe kewal ardhrathi samajhte hain, kintu main tumhe Maharathi samajhta hoon. Kintu jis vyakti se tumne abhi abhi asabhya swar mein asabhya baat ki hai, tum uske dhanush par pratyancha chadhane ke yogya bhi nahi ho. Aaj poore sansar mein Guru Parshuram ke atirikt aisa koi bhi nahi, jo inse baat karne ke bhi yogya ho.

Kulguru: Angraaj, tum jis din satya ka baan sehna seekh jaoge, maharathi ban jaoge. Aacharya Drona ne theek hi kaha tha, yeh Kuru parivar ki samasya hai. Yuvraj tumhe Angraaj toh bana sakte hain, par woh tumhe Kuruvanshi nahi bana sakte. Yeh krodh jo koi bhi veer peele Angraaj, amrit samaan hota hai. Isiliye vatsa Duryodhan, tum bhi Gangaputra se kshama maango.

Bheeshma: Yeh kis kis apradh k liye kshama maangega aacharya. Main toh us din se darr raha hoon, jab ise kshama karte karte meri jholi rikt ho jayegi. Duryodhan: Main kshama chahta hoon Pitamah, kintu mujhse mere krodh ka ashwa sadhaya nahi jata. Bheeshma: Kahin aisa na ho vats, ki jab ye ashwa sadh jaye, toh tum yeh dekho ki tum ashwarohan karne ke yogya hi nahi rahe. Main woh din dekhne ke liye jeevit nahi rehna chahta putr. Isiliye meri baat maano aur sena ko Hastinapur ki ore lekar laut chalo. Laut chalo putr laut chalo. Chahe yudh ho ya dyut, kapat nahi karna chahiye putr. Jab chausar ka antim daanv laga tha toh main wahan tha putr. Aur tab ye nahi thehri thi ki tum apne guptcharon ko bhejkar paandu putron ke agyatwaas ko bhang karne ka prayatna bhi karoge.

Duryodhan: Ye vivaad yahan se vijayi lautne ke upraant kar lenge Pitamah, abhi is kshan ka satya ye hai ki maine unke agyatvas ko samapt kar diya hai aur unhe 12 varsh ke vanvaas ko sweekar karna hi padega. Bheeshma: Kewal matsya sena se yudh karne ki baat karo vatsa. Agyatwas ki baat mat karo. Ganit ke anusaar pandu putron ka agyatwas samapt ho chuka hai. Duryodhan: Hahahaha....yoon hasne ke liye kshama chahta hoon Pitamah, kintu aap ganit bhool chuke hain.

Bheeshma: Bharatvarsh ke saare ganit aacharyon ko ekatrit karo, aur unse poocho ki ganit main bhoola hoon, ya tumhari eershya ko ganit aati hi nahi.


It is overwhelming to see that how these super humans used to give respect to each other in their own way. Bheeshm's respect for Drona and Parshuram and to say that these two are one of the most powerful people on Earth(at that time) knowing the fact himself, that he had once defeated his Guru. Amazing!




Loved this scene Dear Smile.... Seemed like watching them again Star !

And regarding the Respect for each-other of all the Powerful characters- always evident in the dialogues... Specially in nearly all the scenes of Bheeshma- Dron- Kripacharya and Vidur(and of course PandavasSmile).


I posted the dialogue of Guru Parashuram after the battle with Bheeshma in page 68. Posting it here again- "He Shishya Sreshth, He Ganga Putra, He Bheeshma, He Atirathi, aaj tumne apna Guru ko parast kar diya. Ab sansar me kisi Guru ko tum jaise Shishya nahi milega"...- Just Excellent Star Star!!!



Though a bit 'off the track'SmileEmbarrassed... But still wanted to share that this scene reminds me of the Dialogue by Satyavati while coming to Shantanu with Bheeshma(after the 'Pratigya')-"Ab tumhare jaise putra kabhi paida nahi hoga"...Something like that(I don't remember the exact words though)-- but just Loved that sceneStar!



Bheeshma ki gungaan jahan ho... wohi mai hoonLOLLOL...


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Posted: 2010-06-08T05:13:49Z
Originally posted by arun-deeps


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Posted: 2010-06-08T11:38:26Z
Originally posted by Debipriya



ClapNitishji ki photo aur B'day ki info ke liye bahut bahut shukriya Dear Sis Clap Clap ... Loved all the photos... Day Dreaming Day Dreaming Day Dreaming
 
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Posted: 2010-06-09T02:22:40Z
Originally posted by Debipriya


Originally posted by ~~ashi~~


Originally posted by flashykush


Hi guys, I am here after a long time and just thought of posting a few nice substantial dialogues from Mahabharat. :)

Bhishma: Vats Duryodhan, meri baat dhyan se suno. Tumne dharm aur arth, dono hi se apna naata tod diya hai. Tumhi kuruvansh ki patanshilta ka karan ho vats, tum hi. Aur ab bhi yadi tumne apni aankhein nahi kholi na putr toh samajh lo ke apne maharathiyon ke shav dekhna tumhari niyati ban chuki hai. Hey putr duryodhan, tanik socho toh. Tum keval teen vyaktiyon ki hi baate sunte ho. Unme se pehle hai Guru Parshuram dwara shraapit ye soot putr Karna, doosra hai ye Gandhar Naresh kapati Shakuni aur teesra hai tumhara ye durachari anuj, Dushasan.




Bhishma: Nishhta jaise shudhh aur pavitr shabd ka yahaan durupyog na karo, Ang raj Karn. Tum toh jis chhatnaar vriksh ki chhaya ho usi ki jade kaat rahe ho. Aur apni is anishtha ko nishtha bhi kahe jaa rahe ho. Na bhadkao apne mitr duryodhan ko na bhadkao. Tum ho hi kya, are hum sab milkar bhi arjun ka saamna nahi kar sakte..Us virat yudhh bhi tum bhi thhe aur main bhi tha..aur tumhara yeh mitr Duryodhan bhi tha jo aaj is sabha main baithkar yeh deenge maar raha hai ki voh arjun ki jeeva kaatkar apne dhanush ki pratyancha badha lega. Ha!!



I dont know why Im always in splits during this scene ,

ROFL ROFL

Maybe because Mukesh Khanna albeit a great actor was a tad OTT in some scenes especially when he yelled or took Pratigyas . (Dont get angry Debi i said only a tad ott LOL)

And so whenever he was pissed off at Duryodhan or Shakuni and used words like Durachari , Kapati , i cannot stop laughing. LOL

I also loved the expressions on these faces when Bhishma shut them up !








LOL......Laughed a lot reading your post DearLOL....


Yes I am very angry for this kind of 'laughing' at Bheeshma....LOLLOL....


I know he is just 'TOO MUCH' in all those 'Pratigya' scenes.... and also while using those 'Shudhh Hindi Words'... But guess I am in love with that Image of BheeshmaDay Dreaming...



Your comments are perfectly Correct Dear... You don't know I have already read a lot about Bheeshma's actions and their implcations in our Orkut- Mahabharat CommunitySmile... So now its OK with me... I know Bheeshma has some flaws... but still decide to support him every timeSmile.

Carry on with your comments DearSmile...



Thank you for taking it in good spirit. That was  very subtle  'criticism' I had to resort to because in other places Im usually so blunt and harsh on celebs , characters etc that it doesnt take long for people to get all riled up . LOL

I thought this is a nice , calm place filled with very sweet people , I must not go over board LOL


But for the record , I was actually criticizing Mukesh Khanna's acting and not Bheeshma . I like Bheeshma as well just not as much as other people. Like you said , he definitely has flaws .

Hes not  perfect ... not even close ! Whether it was sitting in the Rajyasabha watching Draupadi get insulted , not being able to put his foot down in order to avert the war , not siding with the Dharma in the war or taking impulsive Pratigyas ! Dont even get me started on the Amba episode ji ! LOL

I dont feel sorry for him or when he died . What he suffered was due to his own actions or decisions . I only feel sorry that he died at the hands of Arjuna , his most fav grandson. So his death scene becomes heart wrenching for this very reason . How every time an arrow pierces his chest , he says "Ayushman Bhavah Putra "  Cry




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Posted: 2010-06-09T03:36:51Z
Originally posted by ~~ashi~~


Originally posted by Debipriya


Originally posted by ~~ashi~~


Originally posted by flashykush


Hi guys, I am here after a long time and just thought of posting a few nice substantial dialogues from Mahabharat. :)

Bhishma: Vats Duryodhan, meri baat dhyan se suno. Tumne dharm aur arth, dono hi se apna naata tod diya hai. Tumhi kuruvansh ki patanshilta ka karan ho vats, tum hi. Aur ab bhi yadi tumne apni aankhein nahi kholi na putr toh samajh lo ke apne maharathiyon ke shav dekhna tumhari niyati ban chuki hai. Hey putr duryodhan, tanik socho toh. Tum keval teen vyaktiyon ki hi baate sunte ho. Unme se pehle hai Guru Parshuram dwara shraapit ye soot putr Karna, doosra hai ye Gandhar Naresh kapati Shakuni aur teesra hai tumhara ye durachari anuj, Dushasan.




Bhishma: Nishhta jaise shudhh aur pavitr shabd ka yahaan durupyog na karo, Ang raj Karn. Tum toh jis chhatnaar vriksh ki chhaya ho usi ki jade kaat rahe ho. Aur apni is anishtha ko nishtha bhi kahe jaa rahe ho. Na bhadkao apne mitr duryodhan ko na bhadkao. Tum ho hi kya, are hum sab milkar bhi arjun ka saamna nahi kar sakte..Us virat yudhh bhi tum bhi thhe aur main bhi tha..aur tumhara yeh mitr Duryodhan bhi tha jo aaj is sabha main baithkar yeh deenge maar raha hai ki voh arjun ki jeeva kaatkar apne dhanush ki pratyancha badha lega. Ha!!



I dont know why Im always in splits during this scene ,

ROFL ROFL

Maybe because Mukesh Khanna albeit a great actor was a tad OTT in some scenes especially when he yelled or took Pratigyas . (Dont get angry Debi i said only a tad ott LOL)

And so whenever he was pissed off at Duryodhan or Shakuni and used words like Durachari , Kapati , i cannot stop laughing. LOL

I also loved the expressions on these faces when Bhishma shut them up !








LOL......Laughed a lot reading your post DearLOL....


Yes I am very angry for this kind of 'laughing' at Bheeshma....LOLLOL....


I know he is just 'TOO MUCH' in all those 'Pratigya' scenes.... and also while using those 'Shudhh Hindi Words'... But guess I am in love with that Image of BheeshmaDay Dreaming...



Your comments are perfectly Correct Dear... You don't know I have already read a lot about Bheeshma's actions and their implcations in our Orkut- Mahabharat CommunitySmile... So now its OK with me... I know Bheeshma has some flaws... but still decide to support him every timeSmile.

Carry on with your comments DearSmile...



Thank you for taking it in good spirit. That was very subtle 'criticism' I had to resort to because in other places Im usually so blunt and harsh on celebs , characters etc that it doesnt take long for people to get all riled up . LOL

I thought this is a nice , calm place filled with very sweet people , I must not go over board LOL


But for the record , I was actually criticizing Mukesh Khanna's acting and not Bheeshma . I like Bheeshma as well just not as much as other people. Like you said , he definitely has flaws .

Hes not perfect ... not even close ! Whether it was sitting in the Rajyasabha watching Draupadi get insulted , not being able to put his foot down in order to avert the war , not siding with the Dharma in the war or taking impulsive Pratigyas ! Dont even get me started on the Amba episode ji ! LOL

I dont feel sorry for him or when he died . What he suffered was due to his own actions or decisions . I only feel sorry that he died at the hands of Arjuna , his most fav grandson. So his death scene becomes heart wrenching for this very reason . How every time an arrow pierces his chest , he says "Ayushman Bhavah Putra " Cry







Absolutely Correct Dear, some of his choices were wrong… That I agree with you. He lived his life with some Ideals, sadly which were not the Highest Ones. So there lies the tragedy of a Great Character. In spite of that I have this attachment with Bheeshma, so everytime feel a need to support himSmile, a need to find some positive point from all his actionsLOL


And your views about Amba Episode is Welcome DearSmile… Waiting to read your opinion about this particular action by Bheeshma.

BTW- Really Enjoyed the 'Subtle'Smile criticism… Most welcome for a bit of Bold/Harsh words too LOLLOL… Promise to take that in 'good spirit'LOL and Will definitely try to reply also.LOL...



Well I know you were criticizing Mukesh Khanna… But for me Bheeshma is equal to Mukesh Khanna.LOL, So you can understand my responses LOLLOL



Now you know, how emotional I get while watching his Death scene CryCry … In fact the whole sequence from where he sets free his slaves upto the Last Scene of the series- "Aum…"- Wonderful!!! Absolutely cherish his relation with Arjun Day Dreaming



You are right about the CC- that it is "a nice , calm place filled with very sweet people"- completely agree with that. And you are also one of the sweet members of the CCSmile.

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Posted: 2010-06-09T05:08:08Z



@ Lola- At last I am posting about Karna-Kunti meeting in reference to your post of page 67… Too Late LOLLOL … I know Embarrassed Embarrassed


Karna-Kunti Meeting (Episode-67)

A much awaited emotional scene of the serial… Throughout all the previous episodes we have witnessed Karna's search for his true mother and also Kunti's pain for her eldest son, but when we watch it on screen, it seems somewhat like a Cliche (if I can use this term for the oldest epicLOL… which along with Ramayan for the first time, gave us the idea of what a story is)…



Anyway, I am starting from the beginning of the scene when Karna sees Kunti for the first time. Karna was so correct in his assumption in the beginning- "Mere paas jo bhi aata hai, kuchh maangne hi aata hai". As Kunti also went there to ask Karna to join Pandavas, but the situation was really very late for that proposal.


Some dialogues by Karna in this scene are just Great, like- " Bhagwan to vivash ho bhi sakte hai, kintu Maata kabhi vivash nahi ho sakti".


But when Kunti says – "Maata bhi vivash ho sakti hai Radhe, Maata bhi vivash ho sakti hai"- here her reaction comes in an Expected manner… Agree with Lola- she seems very 'filmy' here.



And when Karna says- "Aaj bhi aapko mere liye aapki mamta nahi layi hogi mere paas, aapka koi uddyesh laya hoga mere paas, aapko aapka koi swarth laya hoga mere paas"'… He is So True…



After the revelation about his identity, at first Karna shows some anger, but then Karna sits at the feet of Kunti, who was crying at that time- that moment is really emotional. I love these lines by Karna- "Aap ki aansoowo ki Ganga me snan karke mai to dhanya ho gaya Maata".


Actually here Kunti is in such a pitiable position, it is impossible for her to undo the past deeds, that is why she could never found a respectable position in the eyes of Karna. She will always be considered as a mother who has not done her duty towards her son by Karna. In one of the later sentence of Karna we find an echo of this- "Aapki jo vivashta us din thi Maatashree, jis din mai janm liya tha, wohi vivashta aaj bhi hai…Aaj bhi hai…"


A bit of infoBig smile- Karna has a dialogue of nearly 6 minutes non-stop here and Pankaj Dheer has done such a Great job StarStar.


Again coming back to the sceneSmile...Last lines by Karna are really memorable- "To He Maata, yudhh ka jo bhi parinaam ho, aapki paanch putra jeevit avashya rahenge… Aap ki putro ki ginti nahi bigdegi Maate, nahi bigdegi".



I guess, it was expected even to Kunti also that Karna will never part ways with Duryodhan. So this scene has no surprise for any of the characters (as for Karna- he already knew about the fact from Krishna). In fact, no surprise for the audience alsoUnhappy .


As I also like Nazneen a lot throughout the whole series, but guess here her role does not give her enough scope to perform! Unhappy


Well, here I expressed my personal opinion. Somehow I don't get that much emotional in this scene. So just quoted some dialogues to bring in the flavour of the actual sceneSmile.


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Posted: 2010-06-09T10:17:40Z
Hey Guys,
 
I'm sooooooo sorry for being inactive here. I promise to update the ToC and join in the discussions here soon.Blushing Great going by the way, I love how you guys are keeping this CC alive with such great inputs from everyone!Clap 
 
And gorgeous Bhagawad Geeta sig, Deepika. The blending and textures are fab, and the text choice is superb too.Clap
 
-Janu
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