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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 17 years ago

U know , this concept of pure , chaste and pavitra ladies in hindi serials always amuses me . All throughout the serial they addressed Kajri as ' kothewaali ' in a superior manner . Kajri is undoubtedly extremely bad but the Garodias had denounced her as she was a kothewaali and kept calling her that . Aie Kothewaali , Aie Kothewaali , they went on.

Now , Jhanvi is pure as mandir or ganga......why ??? coz she didnt sleep with a man when she was stranded . And all the villagers ask about it and taunt about it.

Now , r ladies or women so stupid or so horny that if they r stranded even for few hours with a man they will sureshot sleep with him irrespective of the fact whether they know him or not ? Why wud the villagers automatically jump to such a conclusion ? Isnt this downright insulting to a woman, to be thought of this way ? R women beasts in heat or something? Even villagers have this much common sense . If the woman is having a torrid affair with someone and there is much gossip about this in a village i understand if they jump to this conclusion if they r stranded , but why wud they think like this about a woman who has no link whatsoever with a guy ? This shows that women r thought of in a very cheap light by serialwallahs who profess to show this under the name of ' indian culture ' .

And a man who defends such a woman shud , instead of vouching that she is ' still as pavitra as a mandir ' ask this question instead ........' Why wud a woman jump into bed with any strange man if she is stranded with him ? Why shud this be the obvious conclusion ? Where is the common sense in it ? Your moms and sisters r women , if they r stranded somewhere is this the first obvious conclusion that you will jump to ?

Sorry if this post is bold.....I get really stunned to see women having to defend their ' pavitratata ' or chastity . The serial makers should be really ashamed to use such stereotyped dialogues from the 1960's and weigh the chastity of a woman and should show progressive thinking men , who dont vouch she is pavitra like mandir coz she didnt sleep with him , but attack instead the commonsense of the whole argument .

By repeatedly showing this stereotype nonsense about the chastity of a woman , the serialwallahs liken villagers to idiots with no common sense and they liken women to animals . Villagers may be illiterate , they don't lack common sense . And women r definetely not animals.........they have much more control than even men . So please in future , attack the fallacy of the logics in this argument instead of defending her chastity .

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Kruthika

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Posted: 17 years ago

Actually this whole scene was pure stupidity. It was so obvious that the creatives just wanted to have a typical scene where the heroine was showered with attacks from her family members so that the hero could stand up for her and etc. But here, she had no family... only Radhaji who doesnt have any dialouges. So they brought up a random bunch of villagers to do the same.

First of all, why in the world would they care? She's not even from their village, so why should it matter to them whatever she does. And like u said, the entire point of their argument was just insulting.

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rainabow

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Posted: 17 years ago

All I have to say is that it is no one else's business if a woman is "pure" or not. No one has that expectation of men anyway. What two fully grown adults do is their own business alone. Knowing that, the idea that two fully grown adults of the opposite sex cannot be left alone together becomes even more ridiculous. One can argue until they are blue in the face about whether sex outside of marriage or a committed relationship is acceptable, but it's certainly not the business of a bunch of total strangers.

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 17 years ago

Rainabow and Kruthi .........

U know , I have stopped expecting simple , rightful things in this serial , like it is none of the business of outsiders to sit in judgement about the private affairs of a couple in the village . To pass comments on them if they r stranded , to call them names etc...........the serialwallahs r never ever going to question the right of the group to question things that r , as rainabow said none of their business .

Rather , this serial encourages such scenes where , as Kruthi said , a group of random people gather and start cruel taunting and even shoving and pushing in things that r seriously none of their business . Betiyaan is replete with such scenes . They taunted Savitri when she refused to dress up like a widow , they taunted Niyati coz she was infertile and refused to let her worship in a temple , they shoved and pushed Laxmi when she was pregnant , casting aspersions on her character , and appeared in innumerable Garodia functions to do stupid taunting . The latest is talking cruelly about Jhanvi's character and opining that she slept with Nikhil . Frankly .........none of their bloody business .

But what i am saying is this........if at all this is gonna be shown so stubornly by creatives as if it is some sure shot gimmick that reflects traditional Indian culture or something and that audiences do identify with such crowd mentality .........at least show us something credible , and not something downright untrue and stupid as this. It has been my good fortune to live in a number of villages as i grew up as a child and honestly , villagers have a strong rustic common sense of their own , albeit traditional minded and orthodox as they r . They definetely r not morons and although gossip prevails within their rustic coterie , [ btw where does gossip not prevail ? It prevails everywhere] , they do not act like it is shown in serials . Serials liken villagers to extremely stupid , dim witted individuals who have no independent thinking and lack sensitivity and common sense . this simply isn't true ..........their illiteracy has nothing to do with the strong cheerful common sense that they grow up with . This is utter rubbish . And they do understand what is and isn't their business and what their limits r . My stay in the villages was lovely and extremely educational for me as an individual . I used to talk to them as they worked , and grew up listening to their way of thinking and saw their belief in tradition and our scriptures .........they r the best , not the worst as shown in these stupid serials.

The same goes for the way women r perceived . What rubbish yaar , saying ' she is as pavitra as mandir still , to this point ........' and leaving the part that she hasn't slept with me if thats wat u mean unsaid . How horribly demeaning for a woman . Whether she belongs to that village or not , who says that if a woman is stranded overnight due to flood , police curfew or rain , she will of course jump in bed with a man and come back satiated ? Is this sick or what ? Is a woman a hormonally horny creature or something ? The same goes for a man too.........why wud he of course sleep with someone if he is stranded overnite? This is ridiculous ! This kind of deduction they show in serials who otherwise constanttly show Devi sitting on a tiger and background shlokas of Chamunda and Durga........how hypocritical they r in showing their own culture ! Neither r villagers so much without common sense nor r women so cheap..........it these serialwallahs only who r really corny and half baked , who have no guts to give diffrent dialogues to their leads that mouth progressive thinking and fall back on age old fluke gimmicks and play it safe by sticking to so called ' formula .'

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Gingerly

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Posted: 17 years ago

Kudos Madhu for a very compelling post 👏. To me at this point the creatives are like fishes out of water. They are lost, their heads are not screwed on properly on their bodies because if they were they wouldn't be showing things that don't make any damn sense or is irrelevant. They are not putting much thought process into their script and they figure that the masses are a bunch of fools who wouldn't recognize all their flaws in their brilliant "masterpiece".

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rainabow

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Posted: 17 years ago

This is just one example of how village people are shown to be utter barbarians in so many ways. How many times have we seen this scenario: a "pure" woman being pursued by a pack of swarthy village men, running after her with their swords! really, SWORDS? Oftentimes they even show an angry mob of men running through the streets with torches aflame!

Even in the city, so many times they show a woman leaving the house (for the first time in who knows how many months) and being attacked. This also happened to Jhanvi.

The men in these shows are either uncivilized scumbags or useless idiots (but don't get me started on the idiots because I have a mouthful to say about Kshitij). They are as sleazy as the women are helpless.

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: g_spice
Kudos Madhu for a very compelling post 👏. To me at this point the creatives are like fishes out of water. They are lost, their heads are not screwed on properly on their bodies because if they were they wouldn't be showing things that don't make any damn sense or is irrelevant. They are not putting much thought process into their script and they figure that the masses are a bunch of fools who wouldn't recognize all their flaws in their brilliant "masterpiece".

Thanks dear . Cudn't help smiling when i read how u lasted the creative scriptwriters.😊

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@h&rblock

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Posted: 17 years ago

Sadly, GKLB is recycling the same story just using different characters every time - the story is always focussed on degrading women.

Kajri, who is a kothewali, had a fancy baby shower in which not a single person labelled her as a kothewali or insulted her for having a child out of wedlock...but Laxmi was pushed & shoved for being pregnant with Karan's child while married to Rohan...the creatives have their morals/ideals etc totally reversed...I accept this is a work of fiction but hadd kar di yaar...some of it should be some what believable...

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: rainabow
This is just one example of how village people are shown to be utter barbarians in so many ways. How many times have we seen this scenario: a "pure" woman being pursued by a pack of swarthy village men, running after her with their swords! really, SWORDS? Oftentimes they even show an angry mob of men running through the streets with torches aflame!

Even in the city, so many times they show a woman leaving the house (for the first time in who knows how many months) and being attacked. This also happened to Jhanvi.

The men in these shows are either uncivilized scumbags or useless idiots (but don't get me started on the idiots because I have a mouthful to say about Kshitij). They are as sleazy as the women are helpless.

That is the saddest part............their portrayal as uneducated boors and barbarians.

They are not barbarians......they r , in fact , quiet , unassuming , simple folk , who live a life of simplicity and abhor violence. They resort to it only when they r attacked , or in self defence . On the other hand , terrorists who r educated enough to hack computers and do such stuff r the most violent people in the world today . Even the famous election violence in villages that is shown in movies ........during polling votes , is actually the calculated work of a handful few who come and go to cities and r backed by powerful men in politics from the city . The actual villagers r so simple and quiet that it pricks my heart to see them portrayed this way . In my entire life i never saw once a pack of them running with swords . Arre baba creatives , from where will they run with so many shiny swords , blazing torches , in starched white kurtas and brand new colourful turbans straight out from a boutique ? They don't have money to buy a new kitchen knife or sickle to cut their vegetables if the handle breaks by mistake , and they continue using it without the handle for months together instead of going to the village bazaar and uying a new one as money is scarce . They are frugal ablout the fuel they use at home to cook their meals , from where will they have so much fuel to keep their torches ablaze as they run ? Their clothes r soft and worn by wear and tear , and the former white color is often unrecognisable and reduced to a biscuit hue . Such brand newcolorful turbans r perhaps not used by them even in their own marraiges . They do use turbans on occasions , but it is kept carefully hung on a wall in their simple homes and often handed down from generations .

Instead of being barbarians they r chivalrous to women.........chivalry , a value that has been rapidly lost in the city . They will reach a woman to the end of her house if she sets out in the night and walk back barefooted themselves inspite of the danger of being bitten by an occasional snake . f a woman draws water from a well , they will hurry and give her a hand and place the pot on her head , leaving whatever work they themselves r doing. They provide a simple plain fare meal within their means if someone is stranded in a village and often refuse to take money for it firmly . They never gather in crowds and hurl abuses ........if they have a problem they talk in the village meetings and even there they show independent thinking as there is often a clash in opinions . There is no robot like moronic crowd mentality there . that is literally a figment of some corny imagination .

This big culture thing that the creatives propogate to make their serials run is actually preserved on a rural level within these small villages only . Indian culture today is kept alive within these small hamlets and villages alone .........it is dead in the cities and metropolis areas . There God is not worshipped just in temples by money grabbing priests wearing shawls with ' He Ram ' printed on it , but it is worshipped on a daily basis in the homes , in their family shrines . A lamp is lit every evening in front of the Tulsi plant in every courtyard , and they celeberate every festival with personal effort to beautify it as a subsitute for lack of money to celeberate it ..........beautifully drawn rangolis by children , and decoration of flowers that wud stun an artist from Paris. They r so simple that they hang around in awe around social workers who think of building a school in their village and r deeply indebted to anyone who tries to do things for them on a social level. It is here that culture comes to a standstill and we owe deeply to them for preserving it , so creatives , have a heart . and do them justice in ur serials.

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Malini

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Posted: 17 years ago

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Actually you know what....this is an Indian Drama n in India, still{Yes,Still} it is consuidered bad for girls to be out at night....I think that's for good to some extent n friends please don't forget thatONE NIGHT STANDS Do happen,in USA or in more ' so-called-modern' localities in India........... but it's not Impossible,hence the question arose because in a remote village it's obviously not a 'Norm' for girls to stay out all night n that too when a boy comes to drop her off next morning🤔! Again....This is Indian Drama,Not an American Soap So,I think what they've shown was perfectly Ok in Indian standards..

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