chaya sita..real or no?

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I got this info on the net..from the mahabharat website www.mahabharataonline.com . don't know whether it's true or not...

"As per Narada and Vayu Puranas, Draupadi was composite Avatar of Goddesses Shyamala (wife of Dharma), Bharati (Wife of Vayu), Sachi (wife of Indra), Usha (wife of Ashwinis) and hence married their earthly counterparts in form of Five Pandavas. Enraged at a jest by Parvati and the four goddesses, Brahma cursed them to human birth which the solution Parvati brought about was to be born as one woman, Draupadi and hence share the earthly body for a smaller period of time. Draupadi 's characteristic anger and fight against injustice reflects the Parvati or her Shakti, Kali inhabiting Draupadi 's mortal flesh at times. At other times, Draupadi was docile and even waited to be rescued (as in case of Jayadratha and Jatasura) showing the qualities of other goddesses like Sachi and Usha. Other times, she showed cunning and guile to hide their true identity and still use Vayu putra Bhima to kill Keechaka like Goddess Bharati would. Draupadi was also avatar of Goddess Shree or Wealth who was joint wife to five Indras, aka Five Pandavas. She was to be born several times for imprisoning the Indras. First time was as Vedavati who cursed Ravana (here we find yet another goddess Avatar Swaha, wife to Agni). She then came again as Maya-Sita especially to take revenge from Ravana while Agni hid the real Sita. Third one was partial either Damyanti (whos ehusband Nala was equivalent to Dharma, Vayu, Indra just like the Pandavas) and her daughter Nalayani. She married Sage Mudgala. Fifth Avatar was Draupadi herself. So we find in Draupadi, a composite avatar of Kali, Parvati, Sachi, Shyamala, Usha, Bharati, Shree, Swaha, the eight goddesses."

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Posted: 16 years ago
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thanks 4 info😛
chaiya sita has been always been confusing 4 me😕
its mentioned in ramcharitamanas and some other scriptures but there is no mention of chaya sita in valmiki's ramayan
there had been already much debate about authenticity of chhaya sita earlier in this forum
i have already given my views and i m posting it again

if the thruth was that ravan abducted chayya sita and not real sita then the purpose of agni parikchha was totaly different. the things to be pointed is

--> if sitaji was not a real one then the purpose of agniparikchha is not to show her purity but to get real sita back. if ram had done this then there is no need to doing this in public. he would have got her back without these public showing. if he had done this this this may be interpreted as deceving ppl. ram had already announced abt parikchha and he was deceiving his ppl 😕. i don't beleive ram had done this.

--> ram has come on this earth 2 teach humanity a lesson. he can teach a lesson by real suffering. if there was really a chhaya sita then how could he suffer being known of the fact that his wife was safe in the hand of agnidev


--> what was about curse given to vishnu that he would suffer 4 patni-viyog( parting 4rm wife) by narad. had vishnuji decieved naradji too

--> what is the need of parikha itself if the sita was not real 😕


Edited by rajnish_here - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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i agree with Rajnish that its a confusing one........😕
and the ques he raised is really making me confused........
but here is one thing most interesting and imp. is that even in Triupati Balaji ancient history they have written the same story,
this is a part of that history i read from the site.....
and here is the link of it....
http://balaji.sudarshana.org/tirupati-history.htm

In olden times Lakshmi was staying as Vedavati in a Rishi Asrama in the forests. At that time Ravana, the lord of Lanka came there and tried to tempt her. Vedavati grew angry and cursed him that she would bring about his death.

To fulfil her words, Vedavati entered into the fire but the fire-god rescued her. He took Vedavati to his house and entrusted her to his wife to take care of her.

When Ravana was about to carry away Sita from Panchavati in the absence of Rama and Lakshmana, the Fire-God appeared on the scene and offered Vedavati to Ravana as the real Sita who was kept with him by Rama to evade Ravana.

Ravana took Vedavati to Lanka thinking she was the real Sita, while Agni(Fire-God) took Sita to his house and asked his wife Swahadevi to look after her.

After the destruction of Ravana, Vedavati entered the fires when rejected by Rama. Then the Fire-God offered the real Sita to Rama. Rama then questioned her as to who the other lady by her side was.

Sita informed Rama that she was Vedavati who suffered all the tortures for her sake for ten months in Lanka and requested Rama to accept her also as his spouse. But Rama declined her request saying that he was wedded to policy of having only one wife during his life time, and he promised to wed her in her next birth as Padmavati, born as the daughter of Akasaraja when he will take the form of Srinivasa.


but after reading this i got more confused... as here is a new story that Ramji did not aware of that God fire has taken Sitaji as he knew of his abduction and put Vedavati on her place as she could tk the revenge, and later Sitaji saying Ramji that she is Vedavati and asking Ramji to marry her..........all this quite confusing...
and want to say that this is from the history of one of the most famous temple of India.....made me curious to know about the real fact..

Edited by sam1903 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

I got this info on the net..from the mahabharat website www.mahabharataonline.com . don't know whether it's true or not...

"As per Narada and Vayu Puranas, Draupadi was composite Avatar of Goddesses Shyamala (wife of Dharma), Bharati (Wife of Vayu), Sachi (wife of Indra), Usha (wife of Ashwinis) and hence married their earthly counterparts in form of Five Pandavas. Enraged at a jest by Parvati and the four goddesses, Brahma cursed them to human birth which the solution Parvati brought about was to be born as one woman, Draupadi and hence share the earthly body for a smaller period of time. Draupadi 's characteristic anger and fight against injustice reflects the Parvati or her Shakti, Kali inhabiting Draupadi 's mortal flesh at times. At other times, Draupadi was docile and even waited to be rescued (as in case of Jayadratha and Jatasura) showing the qualities of other goddesses like Sachi and Usha. Other times, she showed cunning and guile to hide their true identity and still use Vayu putra Bhima to kill Keechaka like Goddess Bharati would. Draupadi was also avatar of Goddess Shree or Wealth who was joint wife to five Indras, aka Five Pandavas. She was to be born several times for imprisoning the Indras. First time was as Vedavati who cursed Ravana (here we find yet another goddess Avatar Swaha, wife to Agni). She then came again as Maya-Sita especially to take revenge from Ravana while Agni hid the real Sita. Third one was partial either Damyanti (whos ehusband Nala was equivalent to Dharma, Vayu, Indra just like the Pandavas) and her daughter Nalayani. She married Sage Mudgala. Fifth Avatar was Draupadi herself. So we find in Draupadi, a composite avatar of Kali, Parvati, Sachi, Shyamala, Usha, Bharati, Shree, Swaha, the eight goddesses."



According to Mahabharat Draupadi was wife of 5 Indra in some previous Kalpa. For meaning of Kalpa refer Bhagwat Geeta. In her previous birth she got boon from lord Shiva that she will have five husband. All deities r some way the part of the Supreme Him. They dont have separate existence

I dont believe in Chhaya or Maya Sita. Thsi concept makes the the story confusing and is contradictory to the many portions of the story. I have already expressed my views in my previous posts
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Posted: 16 years ago
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thanx for d info but i've no idea
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: rajnish_here

thanks 4 info😛
chaiya sita has been always been confusing 4 me😕
its mentioned in ramcharitamanas and some other scriptures but there is no mention of chaya sita in valmiki's ramayan
there had been already much debate about authenticity of chhaya sita earlier in this forum
i have already given my views and i m posting it again

if the thruth was that ravan abducted chayya sita and not real sita then the purpose of agni parikchha was totaly different. the things to be pointed is

--> if sitaji was not a real one then the purpose of agniparikchha is not to show her purity but to get real sita back. if ram had done this then there is no need to doing this in public. he would have got her back without these public showing. if he had done this this this may be interpreted as deceving ppl. ram had already announced abt parikchha and he was deceiving his ppl 😕. i don't beleive ram had done this.

--> ram has come on this earth 2 teach humanity a lesson. he can teach a lesson by real suffering. if there was really a chhaya sita then how could he suffer being known of the fact that his wife was safe in the hand of agnidev


--> what was about curse given to vishnu that he would suffer 4 patni-viyog( parting 4rm wife) by narad. had vishnuji decieved naradji too

--> what is the need of parikha itself if the sita was not real 😕


I feel the agni pareeksha and chaya sita story is more plausible keeping in mind the characters of Ram and Sita. Ram could never doubt Sita for even a sec. and Sita was a pati vrata lady and it's believed that nobody could touch her. a pati vrata has powers which can defeat God. Ram could have got his Sita back from agnidev in private . reasons for this could be the reason why he decided to do agni pareeksha on the first place. He told only laxman about chaya Sita. the rest of the world didn't know about it. I think even if the story is "added" in future and it's not there in the original text, it's due to the love and admiration of Ramji by one and all.
Secondly, the curse of Narad still held true. Ram didn't deceive anybody. .He was seperated from Sita, whether she was with agnidev or with Ravan. Moreover, he had to act like a human . He was an avtaar but he could not reveal his true self to everybody bec. of obvious reasons. and then, he was seperated from Sita later on so the condition of the curse holds true anyways. Yest. i saw in the old Ramayan that Dashrath asks Durvasa rishi about Ram's future and he tells Dashrath that Ram will be seperated from Sita bec. of a curse from a rishi. During devaasur sangram, the asur had taken shelter of a rishi's wife. Vishnu cut her head with his chakra . the rishi cursed him that he will have to take a human form and seperate from his wife for a long time.......It's due to this curse Ram will be seperated from Sita.....Later, Ram was explaining to Laxman that even if Sita is an avtaar of Laxmi, she had the powers to change the course of events which happened but she didn't .. She accepted destiny as it is.......
Ram was suffering bec. till the time he finishes Ravan, he couldn't unite with Sita.
I'm sorry I don't know what was shown regarding the curse given by Narad to Vishnu. What I read of it was that Narad cursed him that since he had given him the form of monkey, in his human avtaar, he wouldn't be able to fulfill his task without the help of monkeys... ..
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Edited by luv_khwaish - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

I feel the agni pareeksha and chaya sita story is more plausible keeping in mind the characters of Ram and Sita. Ram could never doubt Sita for even a sec. and Sita was a pati vrata lady and it's believed that nobody could touch her. a pati vrata has powers which can defeat God. Ram could have got his Sita back from agnidev in private . reasons for this could be the reason why he decided to do agni pareeksha on the first place. He told only laxman about chaya Sita. the rest of the world didn't know about it. I think even if the story is "added" in future and it's not there in the original text, it's due to the love and admiration of Ramji by one and all.

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Sita neither needed protection from Agni dev nor protection of Agni dev. She is much greater than Agni Dev. She was incarnation of Maha Laxmi. She was actually abducted. Viraadh and Jayant( in form of a crow) also touched her.

U said that a women who is pati vrata cannot be touched by any par purush. This means all women who r touched by any par purush against their will r not pati vrata or all such women r Asati

All I want to say is that different versions narrate the same story is different style
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: coolpurvi



Sita neither needed protection from Agni dev nor protection of Agni dev. She is much greater than Agni Dev. She was incarnation of Maha Laxmi. She was actually abducted. Viraadh and Jayant( in form of a crow) also touched her.

U said that a women who is pati vrata cannot be touched by any par purush. This means all women who r touched by any par purush against their will r not pati vrata or all such women r Asati

All I want to say is that different versions narrate the same story is different style

It was said in the earlier version of Ramayan that a true pativrata like Sita who didn't even THINK of any parpurush in even her thoughts is a real sati , jisse bhagwan bhi darte hain.... I never said she needed protection. Everything happened for a cause. to kill Ravan. Sita helped Ram in this. but they never told anybody about it. I said any parpurush who touches a pativrata against her wish (as told in old Ramayan) will burn instantly. Obviously she was abducted . She was an avtaar of Mahalaxmi and Ram was avtaar of Vishnu is like starting from ABCD . we all know they were avtaars. Whatever I wrote was not my imagination but it was told by Mata Anusuya to Sita and Sita herself later when she decided to go inside the Earth and end her avtaar. I don't know if this is a "litmus" test for a pativrata or no.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

It was said in the earlier version of Ramayan that a true pativrata like Sita who didn't even THINK of any parpurush in even her thoughts is a real sati , jisse bhagwan bhi darte hain.... I never said she needed protection. Everything happened for a cause. to kill Ravan. Sita helped Ram in this. but they never told anybody about it. I said any parpurush who touches a pativrata against her wish (as told in old Ramayan) will burn instantly. Obviously she was abducted . She was an avtaar of Mahalaxmi and Ram was avtaar of Vishnu is like starting from ABCD . we all know they were avtaars. Whatever I wrote was not my imagination but it was told by Mata Anusuya to Sita and Sita herself later when she decided to go inside the Earth and end her avtaar. I don't know if this is a "litmus" test for a pativrata or no.



Yes this in not the litmus test. otherwise almost all women will be labeled as Asati or apativrata. personaly i don't believe in this theory.

My personal view is that Tulsidasji might have added the concept of Chhaya Sita keeping in mind the rigid mindset of 16th century people. Society always influences literature
Edited by coolpurvi - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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who will u belive maharishi valmiki in front of whom ramayana happend or goswami tulsidas who was not eye witness of ramayana but had written the story being inspired by his devotion and narrated by pawanputra and was in era where the influence of society predominated. actully tboth vrsions are authentic. the thing is what one belives. one who belive there was chhaya sita have there own reasons to belive. it is
---->if ravan touched real sita then as she was sati the rusult will be he wud hv distroyed by her satitwa
----->then how could hv ram distroyed rakhsash kul and how could hv his reason of birth wud be fulfilled????
----->ram was antaryami. he knew everything wht was going to happen. being known of the fact that ravan wud abduct his wife and she has to spend abt a year in lanka in such harsh envoirment. but it had to happen to acomplish the reason for his avtar. he also had to obey his pati dharma. so he send his wife in shelter of agni deva

these are the reasons 4 those who belive in chaya sita. but there are others who have other reasons not to belive in this consept and follows what sage valmiki had written. according to them
----->if one who was abducted was Chhaya sita n Ram knew everthing abt her abduction then for whom he lamented so much till the end of Yudda Kand. Was his bewailing for Sita was only a Naatak
------>how can one beleve that sita was there safe and in luxury with agnidev when ram was fighting and suffering deceving the whole world????
------->
as stated earlier ram has come on this earth 2 teach humanity a lesson. he can teach a lesson by real suffering. if there was really a chhaya sita then how could he suffer being known of the fact that his wife was safe in the hand of agnidev

while there is always conflict between few things which is mentioned in ramcharitramanas and not in valmiki ramayan like shabri giving jhuta fruit to ram, chhaya sita, lakshman rekha e.t.c while there is many things which is mentioned in valmiki ramayan and not in ramcharitramanas. we all believe in authenticity of these two sources but if we start argumenting on those things it will never end. just the matter of what ppl beleve. if u belive in chaya sita u will find strong reason to belive and if u don't then also u will find strong reason 4 ur support

Edited by rajnish_here - 16 years ago

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